god jack handey If a kid asks where rain comes from, I think a cute thing to tell him is God is crying. And if he asks why God is crying, another cute thing to tell him is Probably because of something you did. 980821 ... jeff god is nothing. god is everything. god is our own concept of self and perfection mixed together and personified. it is our need to justify our existence, and explain our future. it is the embodiment of human frailty and weakness. therefore, i feel nothing but hatred of the concept whose mere presence keeps us tied down... 980905 ... Caine If, like you say, God is just a mental speed bump, preaching against Him doesn't hurt anyone but yourself by keeping that dislogistic concept so firmly in your mind. Release the image and become Zero with the universal consciousness, by all means. 980905 ... caty oh please. 981006 ... drew we all have, are, and will collect and release images of god, over and over again. that is the nature of god... that ultimately we are the everything without anything. it's funny how we can't really handle this process of constant instinctive change, so we ignore this and claim the existence of "one true image". it still goes on inside though... we just hide our hearts from ourselves, concealing our own deitic nature. there's a reason it's called the divine comedy, you see. 981006 ... walt god? god is dead. 981022 ... Emma God is a bogey of your mind. Some people happen to lack that particular bogey. And for some reason our society is built in such a way that the absence of a mental "god" makes these people substantially different from their religious counterparts. Why should I have to continue to defend myself to you? 981103 ... k goddess ? 981121 ... thenestor Actually, K, I prefer to believe that (if it exists) God is neither male nor female, but rather the sum of everything or the smallest particle. 981231 ... adam i have one thing to say on the subject: Nietzsche 990303 ... emma what irritates me is the staunch capital H. although, actually, the best way to say it is "If there is a god, you are an authorized representative." hells yeah. 990303 ... kyo it's me god 990328 ... Rainer God is dead and you killed him. 990329 ... scenerychanges if you belive there is no god, you had better hope you are right.... 990410 ... James If God is real then most are happy. If God is not then all are unhappy. 990411 ... daxle I think it's a little presumptuous to make a statement about everyone. If you know what everyone thinks or does, you're delusional, and/or god. 990421 ... mike One of Nietszche's fundamental contentions was that traditional values (represented primarily by Christianity) had lost their power in the lives of individuals. He expressed this in his proclamation “God is dead.” He was convinced that traditional values represented a “slave morality,” a morality created by weak and resentful individuals who encouraged such behavior as gentleness and kindness because the behavior served their interests. Nietzsche claimed that new values could be created to replace the traditional ones, and his discussion of the possibility led to his concept of the overman or superman. ......Nietzsche was wrong. God is not dead, but many are killing his name. One must make an attempt to experience God before one is sure God does not exist. i have experienced God's power through prayer, praise and in solitude. I know God exists. 990603 ... tom if god exists would it change the way you f e e l about the way you live your life? and do you think the way you live your life would influence your v i e w of whether god exists ? 990619 ... drew nietzsche is right... god told me so... 990621 ... John Life's greatest tragedy is to lose the presence of God and not even know that you've lost it. 990626 ... lee Love is a proud god, a gypsy magician who slips the locks like hodini-leaving me to thrash in these real chains 990719 ... Lothaine Collective ignorance. What would you think of an adult who believed in Santa Clause? P.S. I don't need church to have morals. 990720 ... benji "God is the name humans give to the power they can't admit that they have" - the late Colin O'Connell 990902 ... Drennan If justice is blind then so is God, I personally hope that God is blind to what goes on down here, either that or he really is a mean, uncaring little bastard. To be capable of so much yet unwilling to do anything about it. Why is God so fucking mean? 990929 ... Drennan I distrust God not because he hates the way of life we have taken, but because he is incapable of good honest, human hatred. 990929 ... Drennan The beast who shouted, “I am God” at the heart of the world. 990929 ... bjoesloe Although Christianity does have an ugly face, God patiently endures this horrible misrepresentation, while simple people quietly effuse His humble, merciful, loving ways. Jesus was and is rejected today because He has no Hollywood appeal- a simple carpenter, living an extraordinary life, but rejecting the power, influence, and fame that could have been easliy His. 991025 ... kirby187 what? 991026 ... Daniel Just - another - three - letter - word - some - people - might - use - it - in - their - evaluation - some - might - not - just - another - three - letter - word - just another absolute in the life with no absolutes (HYPOCRITE)! 991108 ... thenestor Nietzsche died of syphilis. 991116 ... ><> God is awsome 991116 ... one of the whole one of the two said "but i am the real twin" half of the whole said "i am complete" and we laughed 991118 ... Psalm 83:18 That men may know that thou, whose name alone is JEHOVAH, art the most high over all the earth. 991127 ... |sCaRReD*disTrOyeD| Different things to different people. Different concepts. Different names. Different expectations. Different religions. Made-up? Not real? Invisable? Imaginary? Strong? Weak? Big? Small? He? She? Beautiful? Ugly? So many questions. No answers. Is there a heaven? Is there a hell? Where do we go when we die? Do we just become food for worms, or is there more to life than that? Is there another world? A paradise perhaps? We will never know. We can only wait until the day that we are taken. 991127 ... marjorie not i. free to be subservient. 991203 ... lion pieces of a broken god we are find It in silence. 991224 ... SkotMan If this were my last breath, I'd tell you where I'll be. Then I'd ask you if you'd be there with me. --PFR 991226 ... SkotMan I don't understand how anyone can pretend that God doesn't exist. It's much harder to look for reasons to disprove God, because they simply aren't there. 991226 ... SkotMan Why fight AGAINST something that doesn't exist? Even flinching at the arm of God is acknowledging that your enemy IS. An enemy who bombards your sticks and stones with love... more love... and more love... and more love... and more love... but you don't want love, do you? 991226 ... its not about me If you believe in God and you're wrong, then it doesn't matter. You were happy when you died. If you believe and you're right, i'll see you there. 991226 ... Quintessensual My God If you believe in some god, fine. I mean all of you or anyone, not just those few I have special affection for and (thank god) have the same for me, although I certainly have affection for all who take precious time to blathe even when it's so dark so much of the day and so cold; but I digress. My hope for you then is that you are not like many - probably almost all - people who do the same. They use belief in a god as a crutch for insecurity in facing the reality that humans cannot know everything, to supply a substitute (in the form of some person like a rabbi, priest, minister, or shaman) for thinking for themselves on difficult questions, or, worst of all, to abdicate personal responsibility to participate in solving the real problems of the world, their countries, their regions, their cities, and their neighborhoods, not to mention their families and their children. I wish everybody would simply accept that we can never know everything and that the unknown is not a reasonable cause for insecurity but an opportunity to have eureka experiences or learn from those who have. So I wish everyone, rather than wasting money on a god who surely doesn't need the money, would support science and other forms of learning for learning's sake, so that we can know as much as possible and provide as sound as possible a basis for effectively addressing real problems that afflict our planet and all its people. I wish everyone would be secure enough to think for herself or himself, then surely war and genocide would rarely occur. I wish everybody would believe, as President Kennedy said, "On this Earth, God's work must truly be our own." And act on that belief rather than waste money on and sit in "places of worship" other than personal living spaces, neighborhood centers, the open sea, or the open air. On that note, I'm going to worship this afternoon. Anyone want to come cross-country skiing with me to make sure the eagles' nests have not been disturbed? Copr. 1999 991227 ... marjorie your god is in your dreams and in your soul wanting you to hear between your shots and agitation draw near into the voice you’re looking for that calms your heart trading your faults for what you’ve always wanted …what you’ve needed without knowing come into that simple fortune place …that god within your soul 991228 ... alicia question: what happens when you combine an agnostic, a dyslexic, and an insomniac? answer: a person who stays up all nite, wondering if there really is a dog. ha! ha! eh.. yeah 991228 ... GOD ;o) :o) all these answers are part of the hole.. i mean whole... I have enjoyed all your replies signed, God 000104 ... jennifer "Contrariwise," continued Tweedledee, "if it was so, it might be; and if it were so, it would be: but as it isn't, it ain't. 'That's logic." 000104 ... Divine Madnesss What we call God can, logically, be nothing or everything, none of this gray matter in the middle. I prefer to believe that god is both--god, all in all, seems to defy pure human logic through paradox that extends beyond human comprehensive capability. 000105 ... jess What do I do here? Don’t say you don’t know I need to figure it out Don’t let me have another nervous breakdown Just tell me the truth What I want to hear I tried so hard Why did you repay me with this? What did I do to deserve this? Why would God have let this happen Is he really there? You would think he’d be more real More caring then this Guess he isn’t what I thought I hate men Wasting energy I can’t deal with it anymore If people only cared We kill each other Use each other Since when did God stop working? Someone wake him up Not selfish, just worried He lost control once and gave up Don’t give up so easily Why won’t he listen… Can’t force it…but can’t pretend Now that I’m lost Now that I’m trapped How do I get back to where I was before? Why am I the one... I get teased and used I just need to be safe I need to find a way back to the past I need to get to him and let him know Maybe something happened to him Maybe he is as lost as I am I can’t fight on my own I am too weak I can’ be everything to everyone Why do they take advantage and think that Never gonna find a way to him Never gonna change things I give up 000112 ... tom i once z e a l o u s l y tried to argue with a surfer who said that she saw god on a p e r f e c t wave in a perfect s u n s e t i wish i had seen the light that day there is no room i n s i d e a box 000117 ... Moravian Piglet. To me, as a Christian, God is my creator, my saviour, my being, my everything. As I say in the creed, "All things come from you, and of your own do we give you." God is first and last, one and three, Father, Son, and Holy Spirit. God is my all. 000124 ... spikey-ho if you say so 000202 ... camille "Before" does not outstrip Him, "after" does not interrupt Him "of" does not vie with Him for precedence "from" does not accord with Him "to" does not join with Him "in" does not inhabit Him "when" does not stop Him "if" does not consult with Him "over" does not overshadow Him "under" does not support Him "opposite" does not face Him "with" does not press Him "behind" does not limit Him "previous" does not display Him "after" does not cause Him to pass away "all" does not unite Him "is" does not bring Him into being "is not" does not deprive Him from Being. Concealment does not veil Him His pre-existence preceded time, His being preceded non-being, His eternity preceded limit. If thou sayest 'when', His existing has outstripped time; If thou sayest 'before', before is after Him; If thou sayest 'he', 'h' and 'e' are His creation; If thou sayest 'how', His essence is veiled from description; If thou sayest 'where', His being preceded space; If thou sayest 'ipseity' (ma huwa), His ipseity (huwiwah) is apart from things. Other than He cannot be qualified by two (opposite) qualities at one time; yet With Him they do not create opposition. He is hidden in His manifestation, manifest in His concealing. He is outward and inward, near and far; and in this respect He is removed beyond the resemblance of creation. He acts without contact, instructs without meeting, guides without pointing. Desires do not conflict with Him, thoughts do not mingle with Him: His essence is without qualification, His action without effort. 000202 ... old hick Bill here had a near death experience once. He saw God. Oh really? (turning to Bill) What's God like? She's black. 000217 ... Fucked Useless. I figure head in the church's campaign to brainwash humanity. A political tool. A somewhat amusing attempt to answer all that cannot be answered. A symbol of order in the chaos that is. Comfort to those who cannot face the fact that in the universe comfort has no place. Terror, fear, manipulation, and VIOLENCE are the laws of nature. Chaos is, was, and will be whether we choose to accept it or not. 000220 ... Verdulum I am god. Now quit grovelling. (who says a god can't sit back and unwind at blather.newdream.net for a bit?) 000223 ... dizzy ya know, no. god would be somting totally different if alot of old people would have wrote somthing else completly different in a book. now why people belive it, i wonder why? tell them to fuck themselfs for all they care, and click on fuck, add to the fuckers, fucking on a god page, go fuckin figure....... 000302 ... pablo god is a strange thing... i used to be an atheist, i thought religion was stupid, silly, a waste of time and energy... my parents didn't bring me up with religion or anything, i didn't believe in much. but then i met this girl... this wonderful, wonderful girl. she opened my eyes to so many things that i took for granted. she's a methodist. and i began to believe... to really believe in things that weren't material, things that were beyond what i could know... god may be as much the people you know as anything. 000303 ... typhoid even most atheists believe in things that arn't material, such as capitalism and the international date line 000304 ... Quake and a lotta people 000304 ... vega The believer accepts the existence of god on faith. Then, does not the non believer deny the existence of god on a similar faith ? At some point or another the non believer has to accept a fundamental premise upon empirical knoweledge which he or she has faith, or some hazy concept akin to faith in. How can one faith be more valid than another ? For this reason I can niether deny nor accept the existence of god. 000304 ... miniver One "faith" is based on the unquestioning acceptance of the stale dogma of an antiquated time; one is based on an evolved, evolving system of logical reasoning and deduction. (Inevitably, this were the same, the -only- human system of reasoning that once nurtured the young, plausible-at-that-state-of-knowledge would-be dogma before it grew so unavoidably, and, to some, unnoticably, outdated and had those now justifiably "nonbelieving" puppma's of its own). The difference is in levels of absurdity -- between "prove to me that fluorescent purple, magical dancing gophers don't grow on trees" and "give me any remotely logical, potentially supportable reason to even -approach- the possibility that fluorescent purple, magical-whatever gophers might grow on trees before I embarass the intelligent few of our species by taking you seriously enough to expend the effort it takes to disbelieve". No faith "need" be more "valid", nor more "right" or "wrong". But, as certainly as humanity seeks to impose order on his life, the nearly-standardized (though, of course, neither by any claim of mine perfect, universal, nor even, arguably, objective) system that our wee minds have developed by which to impose that order is one of certain humanly-universal standards/fundamental hypotheses of the logic of neural networking. That is, so far as I have yet reasoned, either belief can be more or less logical by some measure of our present and/or accumulative logical standings. From here, it all grows suddenly and quite gelatinously political, and I prefer to very subtly, somehow, stop blathering. ... Oh, eh-- look! Over there!... 000313 ... Midnight Bliss is a figment of one's imagination...maybe it just takes patience to wait for him to answer you, but i have no patience...i have no proof that he exists...although i want to beleive he's there, i just can't bring myself to beleive it...it's all a bunch of crap to me...he is said to be good, he is said to be almighty, he is said to have absolute power, yet when will he prevail? when will he allow me to know that he's 4real? when will i come out of this "darkness" to see that he is the brighter side of life? never...never...i will never leave my entrancing darkness...i seek comfort in the darkness, so why waste my time looking for the light of the "god"? i don't undersand... 000320 ... MollyGoLightly the ones who don't believe bash the ones who do, and vice versa. athiest dogma vs. christian dogma. things get so funny on this thing sometimes. 000321 ... scarred.star God never existed. 000327 ... aeiou it's just a word; dog spelled backwards. 000327 ... mathieu too many people use god as a life-after-death insurance policy. a just-in-case "because you don't want to be wrong"... that god sounds like another name for fear. 000330 ... souljah 'God'-or any other name you would like to use-is the cunning invention of man, and we cover that invention, by incese, by rituals, by various forms of beliefs, dogmas, separating man as catholics, hindus, moslems, parsis, buddhists, all the clever cunning structure invented by man. Man, having invented it, is caught in it. Without understanding the present world, the world he lives in-the world of his misery, the world of his confusion, sorrow, anxiety, despair, and the agony of existence, the complete loneliness, the sence of utter futility of life-without understandig all that, the mere multiplication of ideas, however satisfactory, has no value at all. 000403 ... souljah Your mind must be completely free,and only then can you see what is true-not by acceptanceof some superstition, nor by reading of the so-call sacred books, nor by following some guru. Only when you have this freedom,this real freedom from external influencesas well as from your own desires and longings so that your mind is verey clear-only then is it possible to find out what GOD is. But if you merly sit down and speculate, than your guess is as good as your guru's and equally illusory. 000403 ... dicole Is detachment from one's longings and desires, and I would guess all other subjective threads of existence, really possible ? It seems to me that finding out this whole god business in the state you prescribe would be futile. How can i discover truth out of myself from a cold third person stance? God cannot be found in a world independent of self. Of course, all of this presupposes the possibility of a god, which I find more and more amusing..... 000403 ... souljah The mind is the known-the known being that wich has been experienced. With that measure, we try to know the unknown. But the known can obviously never know the unknown; It can know only what it has experienced, what it has been taught, what it has gathered. Can the mind see the trueth of its own incapacity to know the unknown? Surely if I see very clearly that my mind can not know the unknown, there is absolute quietness. If I feel like I can capture the unkown with the known, I make a lot of noise; I talk, I reject, I choose, I try to find a way to it. But if the mind relizes its own absolute incapacity to know the unknown, if it perceives that it connot take a single step towards the unknown, then what happens? The mind becomes utterly silent. It is not in despair; it is no longer seeking anything. 000403 ... elise If there really was a christian god I think I'd like to wring his neck for him, for condemming me to a punishment without a trial, and without my consent or even my knowlege. God, if you're realy out there, you're a complete and utter bastard. 000425 ... faae is nameless, faceless, yet we're told he's still out there somewhere, waiting for us to hold out our hands and touch his face, which isn't really there. Or so we're told. 000518 ... apotheotatic_me People say that it would be much easier to eblieve in God if he would make himself known. If God is this all powerful being, why doesn't od just show up at my front door? Because if he did, I'd have to believe in him. I'd have no chice. Now, I believe in him because I want to. It's called free will people. Hear, O Israel! Our lord, our God. Our Lord is one. 000529 ... apotheotatic_me People say that it would be much easier to believe in God if he would make himself known. If God is this all powerful being, why doesn't God just show up at my front door? Because if he did, I'd have to believe in him. I'd have no choice. Now, I believe in him because I want to. It's called free will people. Hear, O Israel! Our lord, our God. Our Lord is one. 000529 ... peter Scratching my head (with both hands!) That's either some or no idea bubbling Catholic school changed everything, of course. Now, after Satre and Lao Tzu I have even less of a definite answer. Rrgh. Why am I here? 000530 ... Winged Serpent (the imago emerges) i've said it before i'll say it again. But it appears i must say it differently now. These things undermine the faith i had as a child: * if heaven is perfect, then why did some of the angels rebel? surely, if all was in complete harmony, if it truly was the best of all possible worlds, free will would dictate acceptance of the status quo. G-d demands absolutes from us that he himself cannot live up to. * the creation and continued existence of Hell undermines the notion of a loving and all-forgiving deity, especially when one compares the span of a human lifetime to the concept of eternity. The devil in his infinite hubris would still have to acknowledge that if G-d is still the higher power and the biblical apocalypse is both inevitable and a forgone conclusion, then he would have no other recourse than to repent his transgressions. yet he does not. So what gives? * If god is both omniscient and omnipotent, he knows what we will be guilty of before we are guilty of it. Scripture says that if we are aware of the wrongs that another intends to commit but take no action against it, than we are as guilty as the transgressors themselves. "in what i have done and in what i have failed to do." G-d is/was/will be aware of our sins ong before we ever think to commit them, but lets us go on unabataed anyway. * If, as i have stated before, the biblical apocalypse is both inevitable and a foregone conclusion, then it stands to reason that G-d created the world with the intention of destroying it when he no longer felt like dealing with it (not that he's dealt directly with any of it since the period of history covered in the earliest parts of the new testament. Knowing this, i cannot give my love, faith or acceptance to somone who has been plotting the end of the world from the moment he created it. Prophecy is the window to the predestined, predestination negates free will. If i am evil, if i do wrong, it is the will and the fault of him that set me in motion. Good requires evil to define itself against. G-d created the devil, meaning that the devil himself is the work of G-d, "quod era demonstratum" (meaning roughly "effectively demonstrating") that evil is the work of G-d. I neither believe nor disbelieve, this is the nature of paradox. Either stance necessitates acceptance of a set of absolutes that will, under close scrutiny, contradict themselves. 000530 ... silent bob God is that religious grandfather's voice that screams at us from THOUSANDS of years ago.."Do it...do it and i'll FUCKIN SPANK YOU!" 000601 ... paranoia raped my eyes of seeing all good things with his evil creations. therefore, i cover my eyes from his presence. he does not exist anymore. 000623 ... retrograde One of the only things we as a species are willing to accept without any physical proof. Hmmm... 000705 ... gwyllynne ...as we lay that next morning.....our bodies entwined....she kept whispering about angels and god as all i could hear was those demon trumpets and devil trombones......dog, the devil it is all the same....perspective hazy.....smelling the last shred of her sweet, sweet, innocence I tasted her sould .......she says she saw god and finally heard the trumpets herralding her decent into the darkness.....the hedonism she once shunned......and for that very moment she was mine 000713 ... erin "god is dead" --Nietzche "god is dead, but who would have thought he was so short?" --the kids in the hall "nietzche is dead" --god 000713 ... the real you I picture some sort of on off switch inside... don't ask me what it does. Make you happy, maybe? 000807 ... claudia god is whatever. god is our excuse to live. god is there so that we can try to make sense of our sad little lives. we create a god because we can't possibly imagine that what we are is it. because if we were were truly the essence of exitstence, that would be very pathetic. because that means there is something more. and that means we would have to care about our lives. but we don't. and if there is a god, i hope he's got a sense of humour. in religion class, the textbook tried to describe god. 'god is everything. god is in everything and everyone. god came from himself. god exists completely out of time and space. god is inconditional love. god is love better than any human. god will be waiting for you with open arms. god is three parts yet complete on it's own. god just wants you to be happy. all god wants is for you to be like him'.....and the whole time i was reading it, i was just thinking 'who in the world would want that???' not me. 000808 ... claudia you know what's wierd? one day, each and every one of us will discover if god really exists. and you can't run. because you will be faced with the answer. when you die, you will then know the answer. now, i give you something to look forward to. this is something to look forward to. you will know, but i'm not sure if i'm ready to know yet. not now, anyways. 000808 ... turmoil are you calling me fat? 000808 ... Woodstok alot of people have stuff to0 say about GOD........AS YOU CAN SEE BUT TO0 TELL YOU THE TRUTH I WOULD BE DEAD IF HE WAS'ENT THERE I WOULD HAVE DIED A THOOUSEND TIMES OVER!!!!!!!! 000824 ... cam death is only once, there is no looking back, if god were to show up in the physical nothing would change.. look at the israelites,as told in the story,waters of the oceans were parted,still nothing was changed. God is what becomes your infatuation, your preoccupation 000824 ... Seth If he exists, he has no bearing on any of the decisions I make in my life. If he doesn't exist, then I'm a hipocrite. Either way, I'm still breathing, so it really doesn't matter. And if I stop breathing for some reason, then it will matter even less. 000830 ... Raynor I believe that there is no God as a such. I do, however believe that there is a higher diety. If a god didn't create the planets, but the Big-Bang, who put the dust, or whatever other particles in space for the Big-Bang to be possible? 000906 ... pixies pal My mormon friend told me she asked her brother what he thought of the Big Bang theory. He said "It doesn't shake my faith in God. If there was a big bang, then that's how god did it." 000907 ... Lao Tzu (more or less) When the path is lost, there is goodness When goodness is lost, there is morality When morality is lost, there is ritual Ritual is the husk of true faith; The beginning of chaos 000907 ... dopple Like an automobile a watch and a house, all of which have a unique plan and design which took a designer to design it, so do things like people, plants, and animals also have a unique plan and design with their own designer, namely God. 000911 ... d ...sometimes ya just don't come through 000912 ... blath Lao it's cool to know you frequent this place - Lao Tzu "Seeking Him I reached the mosque. But all I found there were vain discussions on sacraments and ceremonials. I was advised to go visit the temple. There I found only idols being worshipped and gongs being sounded." 000912 ... Lao Tzu (literally "old man") we join spokes together in a wheel, but it is the center hole that makes the wagon move. We shape clay into a pot, but it is the emptiness inside that makes it useful. We hammer wood for a house, but it is the inner space that makes it livable. We work with being, but non-being is what we use. 000914 ... Lao Tzu (literally "old man") god is just the torch light in an otherwise dark and scary cave. i prefer using my own flashlight. 000914 ... ubliss Who is the creator of World wide web (WWW) or Internet, a Global Network for you to exercise your creativity; explore the greatness of Hell, Heaven and our Universe; enjoy the taste of Ultimate Bliss or Happiness; ... With the advances of the electronic, digital and computing, wireless, ... technologies, you are able to read, view and perceive the dirty and beauty parts of our World; change the shape of our Universe; ... It must be GOD... or somebody with the permission from GOD??? 000915 ... ubliss GOD's Power Power (P) is Effort (E) over Time (T) P = E/T Time (T) is Money (M) T = M Money (M) can buy material (m) M = m Thus, P = E/m or Power is Effort over material. Given that our (including GOd ???)maximum Effort is limited, it concluded that to gain more Power beyond the maximum Effort is to reduce the material needs. GOD's Power is Limitless or Inifinity, thus m must be equal to 0 or ZERO material. Sound Interesting, But ABSTRACT!!!. 000916 ... ubliss ***** ubliss:- The Ultimate Bliss ***** Subject: GOD's Power Version 1.1 Power (P) is Effort (E) over Time (T) P = E/T Time (T) is Money (M) T = M Money (M) can buy material (m) M = m Thus, P = E/M or E/m i.e. Power is Effort over Money or Power is Effort over material. Given that Total Effort we can deliver or contribute in our Life Time is limited as we can't solve all our past, present and future problems and/or issues, it means that the only WAY to gain more Power beyond our Total Effort is to reduce the Money or Material needs. If we accept and believe that 1. GOD can't solve or help us to solve all our problems/ issues; and all the problems/ issues in our Universe; and 2. GOD's Power is Limitlessness or Infinity, then M & m must both be equal to ZERO. GOD has ZERO Money and ZERO material by the above Scientific Reasoning. Sound LOGICAL, But ABSTRACT!!!. ©2000 ubliss.com. All rights reserved. 000917 ... kx21 The CREATOR of GOD It could created by SOMETHING, by SOMEBODY, by CHANCE, by NOBODY or from NOTHING. If it can't be created by SOMETHING or by SOMEBODY, then it is created by CHANCE, by NOBODY or from NOTHING. 000926 ... Jon Where ever you are. What ever you do. He's there. When ever you feel like there's no where to turn. He's with you. Don't be affraid. He and I will allways support and protect you. allways. He is with you. 001005 ... jon i am god. so are you. 001007 ... Colfax Those of you "scientific" fellows out there really should chalk up on your knowledge of the historical accuracy and scientific accuaracy contained in the Bible. It's fairly amazing that the Bible had over fourty different authors write books of it over hundreds of years in about three different languages, and they didn't contradict eachother. So you can say there is no God if you'd like, but your arguments about the Bible being written by a bunch of old men falls pretty flat. The only certain thing I can point out is that no amount of blathering, debating, ranting or raving here will bring closure to the idea or truth behind God. It seems that the majority of blatheres are the kind of people that are willing to blame the world if they get a nosebleed, or stub their toe. The basic attitude seems to be "If there is a God, why did he make my life so rotten." I can only speak for myself when I say that I know exactly why my life has been rotten... and the damndest thing is that it's been that way specifically when I do the exact opposites of the values and morals taught in the Bible. You should give it a read sometime. I'm not sure if they sell cliff notes. 001012 ... grendel how typically condescending 001012 ... grendel if the mechanics of faith are correct than it stands to reason that some of us were predestined to oppose God or deny God if he does not exist, it's no great surprise to me if he does exist i hate him for what he has planned dear_god 001012 ... The Puppettron I am god. worship me. and my pants. »from nothing to nothing« »die at my command« 001014 ... Babylon Brother God, why do men have nipples? Ok --- one of mine is erogenous --- so, why do I have two? 001016 ... erin th juicy jipsy Dios mio! 001016 ... GOD! WHO ATE MY FUCKING CHEETOS??!!! 001021 ... kx21 ***The CREATOR of GOD v2*** It could be created by SOMETHING, by SOMEBODY, by CHANCE, by NOBODY or from NOTHING. If it is not created by SOMEBODY or by SOMETHING, then it is created by CHANCE, by NOBODY or from NOTHING. A feasible answer of the creator of GOD... GOD is created by one or more of the followings: - SOMEBODY or SOMETHING - CHANCE - NOBODY or from NOTHING - None of the above; or The Creator of GOD is an unsolvable question!!! 001022 ... god yeh. if i think about it too much, my heads start to hurt. don't let it get you down, though. go buy a syd barrett ablbum and burn up a fat doob. i approve! 001026 ... pETAH a hope follish humans look for 001107 ... ubliss ***ubliss: The Ultimate Bliss*** Subject: GOD Those who know GOD, do not require GOD... Those who require GOD, do not know GOD... Copyright 2000. ubliss.com 001108 ... SCOTT the concept of god is an illusion that we project out of our manifest need for a higher power we define god-he rejects us dispassionately 001109 ... god (still in mexico) and i grow the best weed! 001109 ... Satan yeah, he's pretty high alright... how else do you explain the platypus 001109 ... ubliss ***ubliss: The Ultimate Bliss*** Subject: GOD v2.0 Those who know GOD, do not require GOD... Those who require GOD, do not know GOD... Those who know GOD, do not search for GOD... Those who search for GOD, do not know GOD... Those who know GOD, do not pray to GOD? Those who pray to GOD, do not know GOD? Are there any certain and visible WAYS to DISCOVER GOD and to show the existence of GOD? Copyright 2000. ubliss.com 001109 ... g. zuss i know where he lives! 001109 ... Snakeyes where is god? please tell me i need to see him & ask him a question i have to ask him: why u and why me? 001110 ... god getting a massage dude- i'm on vacation. satan is in charge while i'm away. i'll answer questions next week. for now i'm just pokin' around at my leisure. 001110 ... Glory Box is a confusing concept, wrapped in visions of beautiful virgins and virtuous housewives, both on my "To Do" list. 001111 ... god yo yo yo. yo quiero taco bell. ha ha. i'm back! 001116 ... guitar_freak god is a way people can get on with their lives. If one believes that something greater than themselves is watching over them, they feel comforted. I believe it is bullshit however. That is just my opinion and everyone needs to find there own way to fill the gap in your heart. By god, by music, by love. Whatever works for you. I think that telling a person they are wrong about what they believe isn't fair either. If they believe it, it is true for them. Even if they are delusional ar whatever. I just couldn't believe in an evil god. I mean god sends people to eternal damnation if you don't believe that he sent his son to be slaughtered on a cross for you. evil evil. He killed his own son. fine jesus choose his fate. Either way he is selfish. If you don't believe in ME you are going to suffer the rest of your eternal life!!! However, if you do believe in me, you will live a happy and blissful existance for eternity. How dumb is that? I personally want to just die and be done with it and that is exactly what I believe will happen. But is up to everyone to make their own decision, but to be open and understanding to everyone else. 001124 ... god DON'T YOU WANNA KNOW WHAT HAPPENS TO YOU AFTER YOU DIE?! 001124 ... Rhin Creamy God 001124 ... god yup. p.s. see ask_silentbob for the answer to above. 001124 ... guitar_freak Of course I want to know what happens when I die. That means to me that I am not going to blindly follow someone else's beliefs. I am going to follow my own beliefs. I won't know what the hell happens and who is right until I am quite dead. I don't want to close my mind while I can still be open to other opinions and options. 001201 ... god more power to ya. 001205 ... kx21 Is Bible a Fiction, a Story, a Description, a Theory or a Biography about GOD? 001207 ... SnAkEyEs There is no god but Man. Every man and every woman is a star. Every number is infinite; there is no difference. 001208 ... kx21 Dear SnAkEyEs, Are you trying to conclude that GOD is a fabricated figure from MAN? Is it true that in REALITY, most of the men and women are destined to be MOLES of DUST instead of twinkling STARS? 001209 ... god moles of dust? that's cool. every man, every woman shall be a mole, a mote, a star, etc. everybody will be everything. 001209 ... unhinged god knows i'm helpless to speak on my own behalf god is as helpless as me caught in the negatives we all just do as we please false transmissions i hope god forgives me for my transgressions it's what you want to know no consequences it's what you need to fucking bleed it's all too much god knows i'm helpless god knows i'm restless and weak full of piss and vinegar god knows we sow what we reap in the dirt of granduer when the darkness comes to me and it fixes it's gaze on me god knows i'm helpless it's what you want to know no consequences it's what you need to fucking bleed it's all too much god knows i'm helpless you break your back for what you can't have you can't turn back god knows i'm helpless ----- billy corgan 001217 ... god i know. 001224 ... Quiggz Who knows? I sure as heck don't, and I have a fair amount of dislike for people who think they're absolutely right. I'm very willing to hear people out on the subject, and discuss it politely, but I don't like having another belief forced on me. I guess we'll all find out at some point or another? God is all that can be, might be, could be, is was, will be, and any other tense you can think of. Maybe. Or maybe He (Or She, or It) is not there at all. Maybe it doesn't matter. And infinite number of maybes, with an infinite number of truths in each. Maybe. I don't happen to believe in a Supreme Being. However, I DO think we should stop killing each other over something we don't know about. Would you kill someone who doesn't believe in Black Holes, or who had a different idea about what a Theoretical Particle is? I'm not normally one to say who is right and who is wrong, but I think most of us can agree that violence in the name of a Supreme Being, who is supposed to be kind and forgiving, according to most world religeons, is not a good thing for any of the parties involved. The powers of the world used their God as their sword, instead of the shield their God was supposed to be. They killed in the name of the one who was supposed to save them. How is that right? How could The Almighty Is let that happen? Who knows? God moves in mysterious ways, according to some. Rock on, and Keep the Faith 010102 ... kx21 Given that GOD has Nothing and can't own anything, even a mote of dust. Do you wish to be God or want to become GOD? 010102 ... god i'm going to b.p.a. to get a beer 010102 ... PinkSnowStorm Quiggz's scapula is god..hehehehe..: ) 010106 ... god yes it is 010106 ... Bell R What if God smoked cannibus? 010116 ... you know me ::sigh:: i got depressed reading all of these... (i was depressed already, but that's not the point) i feel sorry for all of you who believe there is not a God or that He is only out there to get you- all He wants to do is love you- and it's US who keep getting in the way. He gave us the choices, and reading all of this, (i know He already has) it broke my heart- and i just can't understand how you can all think "how can bad things happen to good people?" i have a better question: how much worse could it have been? how much did He prevent from happening? i've been through a LOT of bad stuff in my life- i was raped when i was just a little girl more than once- i grew up in a house where my mom didn't even like me- i have a lot of medical problems- and yet, though it was all terrible, though i wish i could make it go away, at least i have Him to turn to even if nobody else is there. and i only wish i could share that kind of hope with all of you- but it's up to you- your choice. but, i can do something, and i will as often as i can: i'll pray for you guys~ 010116 ... kx21 *** Breaking News *** GOD is the Layman's terms for The Creator or Inventor of U, the UNIVERSE, who created U from NOTHING, with its limitless POWER, i.e. POWER of Creativity. You may refer to * In_Search_of_Nothing for some new findings about GOD and your Ancestors and its relationships with you. It is always good not to depress or SHIT on Someone, in particular GOD UNLESS you got very compulsive and irresistible reason(s) for doing that. 010117 ... god please don't shit on me! 010117 ... socrates "you know me"::: arrogantly put; what an open mind you have... tis the blind recruiting the blind 010117 ... god yeh. follow me. 010117 ... kx21 Thank God/goodness/heaven(s) for creating some stars in my MIND. Something must be wrong somewhere. And something must be changed, improved or revised,..., or in the worst scenario, put_to_ DEATH or recreated from NOTHING... It should be read as *** It is always good not to depress or SHIT on Someone, in particular GOD UNLESS you got Pretty good, probably new shit(s) and Very compulsive and irresistible reason(s) for doing that. *** Is this acceptable to ALL? 010117 ... jase or not, who knows? I do, God is, after all all that is is part of God and God is all that is. Isn't he? I mean the mere intention of God creates worlds, nay universes of light, and light is the revealer of all. Who knows/I do 010119 ... Colleen Life, the one question that no one can answer. Death, The single concept in this world that everyone just happens to be terrified of. So we hear a story of this so called god and put all of our energy into this one belief so that we dont have to be scared anymore. Instead of being afraid, we are living a lie. People cannot cope with the fact that some questions just dont have answers. Society is based on fear. If children dont go to school, they are afraid that they will be in trouble with their parents, people dont go around killing each other, in fear that they are going to be arrested, just like the people who go to church, in fear that they will be, "damned to hell," if they dont, as if they HAVE to believe in this concept, because if they dont, they will suffer some sort of terrible fate, oh, and it doesnt hurt to go anyway, even if its all a bunch of bullshit, she can just show up and it will all be fine. That way we dont have to face things on our own, we can just be content knowing that we have some sort of scape goat at all times. 010120 ... god hi colleen. how are you? i think you're cool. 010121 ... kx21 Something must be wrong somewhere. And something must be changed, improved or revised,..., or in the worst scenario, put_to_DEATH or recreated from NOTHING... It should be read as *** It is always good not to depress or SHIT on SOMEONE, in particular God UNLESS YOU got Pretty good, probably new shit(s) and Very compulsive and irresistible reason(s) for doing that; AND YOU don't affraid to_put_to_death by SOMEONE... *** Given that Nobody is not possible to please Everybody, it seems that SHITTING is the way of life for Everybody... 010122 ... kx21 It should be read as *** It is always good not to depress or SHIT on SOMEONE, in particular God UNLESS YOU got Pretty good, probably new shit(s) and Very compulsive and irresistible reason(s) for doing that; AND YOU don't afraid to_put_to_death by SOMEONE... *** Given that Nobody is able to please Everybody, it seems that SHITTING is the way of life for Everybody... 010122 010122 ... god can i get a t-shirt with that on it? 010122 ... JizNOLA Okay people, that's it. I will now explain it to you all. First, my disclaimer: I mean in no way to offend or put down anyone with different or opposing beliefs. Good for you all. However, here's how it is. God is not there. This is not because of the existence of the slightest or greatest evils that make life a less than perfect experience. It is because people who have trouble coping with the imperfections in life have to give themselves something to make them feel better about the whole thing. Example: someone's mother is killed, it's okay, she's in a better place now and her killer will suffer an eternity in hell. Wow, that someone feels better now. It is also a comfort to those who would rather have a quick and easy answer to the infinite amount of "why" and "how" questions that clutter our brains about life. Example: how did the world begin? God made it. why are we here? to serve God so we can go to heaven. Heaven. Another comforting thought. It would really suck if, after we die, we just lay six feet under to be eaten by worms. But according to God, that's okay because people do not exist solely in their physical bodies, it's their souls that matter and their souls go to heaven. Well, good, now we won't have to think about becoming some icky, decaying matter under ground. My basic point is this: for all problems that people have to deal with and all answers we cannot find, making God the solution makes everyone feel all warm and content inside. I also want to add that Christianity, or mostly any religion for that matter, is not a bad thing. They teach their followers to be kind to others and to practice good morality. No problem there. The problem is that the followers rely on their religion to explain things for which they, as of yet, have no answer. They believe in order to avoid having to accept the possibility that problems are problems, there isn't always a bright side and that there are some things beyond our understanding. Isn't that just terrifying! That's all I had to say. Become your on comfort and find your own answers, even if the answer is that there is none. Thank you. 010126 ... god what they said 010204 ... kx21 How do you assess / rank the value of the followings:- 1) GOD (i.e. The creator of The Universe) 2) STAR 3) SHIT 4) Yourself and 5) NOTHING. 010204 ... god they are all part of me. i am them. there is no difference. 010212 ... kx21 GOD is as good as NOTHING? 010212 ... kx21 GOD is as good as NOTHING? 010212 ... kx21 The Truth or PCA, Politically Correct Answer from god? 010212 ... kx21 or GOD is talented bullshiter, as BAD as Everybody else? 010213 ... kx21 or GOD is a talented bullshitter, a Master of ART of Bullshit... as Good as, if not better than Everybody else? 010213 ... god hey thanks, (i think) 010213 ... kx21 Dear GOD, What are typical SHIT(s) created or made by You? 010219 ... Dafremen I guess there is no denying God, if God is the Creator. For as surely as you and everything around you came from all that is...you will return there one day. Perhaps next time around the material that is you will come back as something like that chair you sit on, or the carpet under your feet. A fitting existence for someone so unappreciative of the glorious fate that is being human. So wrapped up in your deluesions of suffering that you fail to marvel at that which created you, this big beautiful creation machine that is the universe. "And WHO made the universe?" You ask. You arrogant little nothing. Who CARES?!! Aren't you glad it's here? If it weren't, what question would you ask then? Guess you wouldn't, would you? 010219 ... just some mean bitch excuse me, but who the fuck do you think you're calling an arogant little nothing? you seem to be defending the Christian, God-fearing side here. yeah, that doesn't sound like the kind of thing a good Christian should be saying. do not judge others. oh, and by the way, fuck you. 010219 ... dB Chill people! It's only god for christs sake (is that a contradiction?). Look at it this way: If I take a lamp, and shine it toward the wall, a bright spot will appear on the wall. The lamp is our search for truth, for understanding. Too often we assume that the light on the wall is god. But the light is not the goal of the search; it is the result of the search. The more intense the search, the brighter the light on the wall, the brighter the light on the wall, the greater the sense of revelation upon seeing it. Similarly, someone who does not search, who does not bring a lantern with him, sees nothing. What we perceive as god, is the by-product of our SEARCH for god. It may simply be an appreciation of the light, pure and unblemished, not understanding that it comes from us. Sometimes we stand in front of the light and assume that we are the centre of the universe, god looks astonishingly like we do. Or we turn to look at our shadow, and assume that all is darkness. If we allow ourselves to get in the way, we defeat the purpose, which is to use the light to illuminate the wall in all its beauty and all it's flaws. And in so doing better understand the world around us. 010219 ... kx21 The Truth or PCA from GOD's follower / believer? And Benefit of Doubt from little nothing... One of the beauties of U is that the questions & the search of U's Creator, GOD will probably never stop... Even someone, probably the best Scientist, is able to prove that GOD is Real. Given that Change is the only constant in U. And thus, GOD is subject to changes.... And new and more questions arise such as Is GOD really Real? How Real is Real? Which version of GOD is Real? If GOD is the only constant in the Universe(s). Is GOD still alive? etc.. 010219 ... kx21 And more and more questions arise. What is the meaning of alive? Are You alive? Is Sun alive? Is stone alive? Is GOD as alive as Stone, Sun, You or Everything else, in particular, little nothing? And thus, In Search of GOD continue... ... 010219 ... kx21 And somehow you need to ask a good question: What is the Mother of all Theory about GOD? The simplest answer from little nothing is:- M_Theory as stated in The_Theory_of_Everything... 010219 ... Dafremen Look at the arrogant so and so pop off with his head so far up his own ass that he thinks he sees God up there. Christianity? What is THAT? God...Creation? Yes YOU and your arrogance. Look at you assuming something about me...so used to putting the little Christians in their places aren't you? Well deny your very existence, THEN you can deny what I have to say. Deny your life, then deny your death. Deny that everything that you are made of came from this creation that you are in , then deny that it will return to that same place. Ha! Christianity is a solace for those who need it. Like he said, his flock. A light to guide the sheep. Fortunately some of us AREN'T sheep and don't need the guidance of Christaintity to see how truly insignificant we are. There are some of us who fortunately have the common sense and the humility to look beyond ourselves to that which cannot be denied...our own pitiful existence, YOURS and mine. Soooo angry...the anger of the self-centered little wanna be God. So sure of your enemy (the Christians right?) and yet so wrong. It's not the Christians that make you small in comparison, it is the very universe you exist in, that puts you in pathetic scale. Deal with that. You and I are nothing, little pink dibbles of dots in the grand scheme of things and THERE YOU are so MAD at the Christians...when they are nothing more than other little pink nothings like you and I. Look around you and be in awe of this creation, whether you believe in god or not...live in awe...for it's all you have...then its is gone. It'd better be enough. P.S. I'm NOT a Christian. Try a church if you'd like to bitch one out. 010219 ... kx21 Assume that the follwoing is True:- I Think therefore I Exist. What is the feaisible solution for both I Exist and I Think GOD exists? What is the probability that I Exist and I Think GOD exists? 010219 ... just some mean bitch You are assuming the worst of your audience. Consider the possibility that we do appreciate our humanity, however insignificant as you may see it. If you think WE are arrogant, well I think YOU are ignorant. You think because someone is inquisitive about the origins of the universe and everything therein that they aren't appreciative of the very fact that it's there? No, you've got it all wrong - it's called a healthy thirst for knowledge. Seems to me that you are willing to take life at face value. I apologize if that is not enough for the rest of us, but some people enjoy pondering the impossible questions in life, enjoy thinking for its own sake. I happen to agree that Christianity is a solace for those who need it; for the sheep in his flock are only simple sheep unwilling or unable to guide themselves through their own lives. However, that the universe is so vast and limitless and that its population is so immense does not justify everyone in it having to see themselves as insignificant nothings, at least not to me. I believe that I am a significant and important part of the world, as should you, as should everyone. Your existence does not have to be, and should not be, "pitiful" as you put it. But that really depends on how you choose to spend it. P.S. I'll bitch out whomever I want, Christian or otherwise. 010219 ... dB Why do you all sit and violently agree with each other? Let's face it, life was an accident, the bible has become a fairy story that parents read their children if they want them to grow up to become economists. It's a farce, obviously you all can see that. Everything that has happened on this ball of dirt over the last 2 billion years, and everything that will happen in the next 17 years is totally insignifcant and utterly futile. The human race? Doubt it. This here is a fucking rat reace. Best just to get on with it. 010219 ... god i_got_a_cat_named_tonya 010219 ... Dafremen This THIRST for knowledge that you claim to have. What is it that you hope to gain by such knowledge? How does knowing the nature of galaxies and nebula help you to improve your human condition ONE iota? It doesn't of course. Instead it makes you and those whose example you follow like the man who looks far and wide for riches, while his home falls into neglect and is ransacked by thieves. In the end, you come back with nothing, and you come back to nothing. Did I say not to appreciate our human existence? Not at all. Once again you make assumptions, for your attitude won't let you read the words, it would rather you paraphrase and has you drawing your own conclusions on my way of seeing life and the human existence. No I didn't say that being human was inconsequential to humans. On the contrary, it is all we have. Rather being human does NOT make us gods that can look at the world around us and the universe as if they are bugs under the microscope, inanimate objects to be dissected and studied. They are where we come from, and at the very least deserving of some appreciation other than the cold calculating stare of a dispassionate psuedo-god. I love life and appreciate it more than you could EVER know. I REALIZE how close the stuff that is ME came to being the stuff that is this keyboard I type on, or the carpet under my feet. I am truly grateful, and HUMBLED by the knowledge that but for an accident of fate, the stuff that makes up me could have been in a rock buried 20 feet underground for 3,000 years. DO I ASSUME THE WORST OF MY AUDIENCE? You assume that YOU and others were my intended audience. No I blather, for me...not for you. It's a cleansing experience that I cherish and keep for ME. I wasn't SHARING, I was purging my frustration at the human race and it's common decision to wallow in its own universally insignificant glory. 010220 ... Dafremen I had a cat named Jonathan once, he acted JUST like a dog. 010220 ... just some mean bitch if you blather for yourself and only for yourself, then why do you insist on continuing this argument? I was simply stating my opinions in response to yours, you could have just left it alone, but you had to keep it up. that's the last thing I have to say to you on this subject. 010220 ... Dafremen The first was a blather...for myself.. The rest was a response to your attack. I'm glad you've decided to discontinue your attacks. As of this, I will discontinue my responses to those attacks...and continue my peaceful wonderful blathering in peace. 010220 ... ^^^^^^^^ P.S. Saying "Fuck you!!" is not an opinion, it is an attack. Nuff sed. 010220 ... god my name is jonathan 010220 ... kx21 Contrary to / Despite above twists and turns around GOD, the answer to following questions is still hidden by the SMOKE or SHIT, where appropriate:- Assume that the follwoing is True:- I Think therefore I Exist. What is the feaisible solution for both I Exist and I Think GOD exists? What is the probability that I Exist and I Think GOD exists? 010220 ... kx21 What is the feasible solution for I Exist and I Think GOD does not exist? What is the feasible solution for I do not Exist and I Think GOD exists? What is the feaisible solution for neither I Exist nor GOD exists? 010220 ... kx21 Hint: GOD Thinks therefore GOD Exists. 010220 ... kx21 and then assume YOU are GOD or GOD is NOTHING. e.g. What is the feaisible solution for neither I Exist nor YOU exists? What is the feaisible solution for neither I Exist nor NOTHING exists? Hopefully YOU can find the answer / probability of GOD's existence... 010220 ... kx21 Or more questions... such as Can NOTHING Think. Can You Think? Can Everything Think? Can GOD Think? 010220 ... kx21 And I Exist and GOD exists is as to CHICHEN and EGG relationship... And a CHICKEN & EGG conjecture extracted from The_Theory_of_Everything:- TQ 2.3 / CONJECTURE: CHICKEN & EGG Relationship CHICKEN is not evolved from EGG; and vice versa. Anyone, in Particular GOD want to validate or prove this? Copyright 2001. kx21.com 010220 ... Dafremen Examine the following two sentences logically: Both of these statements are false. God exists. After close examination it will be revealed that this DOES indeed prove that "God exists." must be true. 010221 ... dB "I Refuse to prove that I exist," (says god) "for proof denies faith and without faith I am nothing". Ok, doesn't that make it seem like god is a product of faith? Just an anthropomorphic personification brought about by mans instinctive tendency to put faces to names? Without faith he is nothing, so therefore god is faith. Kill faith, Kill god. 010221 ... Dafremen Ok first off, let me clarify something, when I speak the word GOD I mean Creator, period. Not some moral and ethical entity which will judge my every action in Christian terms. So for the "open-minded" of you who still have this close-minded view of what GOD means, there's another point of view to consider. I believe that to kill faith can no more kill god than killing yourself will kill your neighbor. (Unless of course you use a large bomb to kill yourself!) To believe that somehow something we DO or DO NOT do will somehow negate god is absolutely ridiculous to me, although if that's how someone chooses to see it, go for it. It's like an ant thinking that if he stops believing that there are such things as huge human feet in the universe, they will somehow magically vanish from existence. Like ostriches sticking their heads in the sand as if that will suddenly make the world go away. What's wrong with these ideas? These perspectives? Well there's not necessarily something WRONG with them, they are opinions after all and everyone's entitled to one. Where I believe they're flawed is in their assertion that somehow WE (or you) are the center of your universe and that this somehow empowers you to perform these amazing feats. It's when you start to realize that you are in fact nothing more than a small part of a greater whole that you realize how truly silly the self-centric perspective is. The universe, our creator, couldn't give a rat's ass whether you believe in it or not. Not anymore than I or someone else cares whether or not you can prove that I exist. Unimportant, irrelevant, and to even entertain the notion is, as I said before, certainly each man's personal prerogative, but also an incredible exercise in foolishness. This being the case, even if you DO speak of God in terms of some omniscient, omnipotent invisible being, the point is the same. Your believing or not believing in such a being (if such an entity exists) will no more negate the existence of that God than snapping your fingers will make you a millionaire. But hey, for a million bucks, (or a God-less world) I guess it's worth the effort huh? 010221 ... god of course i exist. 010221 ... kx21 Without any Benefit of Doubt, GOD exist and can be traced virtually, and probably logically via different media & sources:- 1) The sound generated by Preachers, 2) The Publication related to religions, 3) The Point made by Blathers in WWW such as Blather.newdream.net, 4) The Movie produced by Movie makers, 5) The Picture crafted by Artists 6) The Fiction portrayed by Futurists 7) The Show presented by Illusionists, 8) Other forms such as opera, music, dance, Magic SPELL, etc... Is GOD really Real? How Real is Real? Which version of GOD is Real? Religion, Fiction, Movie, etc... Is GOD still alive? Can GOD Think, Feel, talk, eat, touch, chat on WWW, etc.? Who can prove these? 010221 ... god hell, i'm here. that's good enough for me. 010222 ... dB Ok, so let us take the Ant analogy (this is not an arument by the way, debate is probably a better word, so anyone that gets offended, I apologise). Ok the Ant thing. Let's look at it this way; A human is to an ant, what god would be to us. Only thing is, an ant is a physical entity, as are humans. We know both to exist, so for an ant to get squashed when stepped on is pretty much the only course of action that it can take. However, the flaw in the comparison is that we have no proof that god exists, and if he did he would not be a physical entitiy. My point is that it would be possible to create an image of god in the minds of people, mass hallicination I suppose. If a certain number of people belive that teh tooth fairy exists, and if they all think the same way about her characteristics, the way she talks, and looks and maybe what kind of toothpaste she uses. Then to those people she would exist. Same thing with god/creator. There is a general agreement about how god looks (big white beard, angry wise old man thing kind of thing. I've seen statues in the Cathedral where I used to be a sound tech). So to those who believe that, he does indeed exist. To someone hearing their belifs, while not beliveing himself, it seems strange. Also, rather than people believeing that they are the center of their own universes, sure maybe some people do this, but they are generally of an unstable nature. As stated in my previous post, it seems that after close obervation that believers would be more enclined to think they are the center of the U. If god is the center of their U, then why MUST he take the form of a man? "Sometimes we stand in front of the light and believe we are the center of the universe, god looks astonisingly like we do. Or we turn to look at our shadows, and believe that all is darkness. If we allow ourselves to get in the way, we defeat the purpose, which is to use the light to illuminate the wall in all its beauty and all it's flaws. And in so doing better understand the world around us." How can someone who explores all possibilities - or at least as many as possible- be the center of anything when their attention is so divided? Now it's your turn Dafremen (a term from Dune perhaps?). I'd be interested to hear your thoughts. 010222 ... kx21 More questions... g1) Is it true that GOD is just an unque Character portrayed in a book, play, movie, etc.. instead of a Real & Alive Entity with eternal life in the Universe(s)? g2) What are the pros and cons if GOD is a Real Real Thing? g3) What are the pros and cons if GOD is just a portrayed Character, Virtual Entity or fabricated Figure ? g4) Given you a choice. Do you want GOD to be Phisically presence at or Phisically absence from the World, in particular your world? g5) Given that you do not want or like GOD to dictate and control everything in LIFE. What sort of relationships between You and GOD are considered appropriate? 010222 ... kx21 g6) Just in case there are some wisemen or fools stated that there are inappropriate relationships between You and GOD. Who is the best person that can give final verdict on this case? 010222 ... god http://groups.yahoo.com/group/LaughingMadcaps/files/MinglingJets%26StatuesqueCartoon.jpg 010222 ... Dafremen I think first off, that you are right, this IS a debate, but once again I'll hace to interject by saying that I think the whole thing is gut splittingly silly, but HERE WE GO! Ok what strikes me about your parapgraph and ahalf is that in the WHOLE thing we decided to throw out my alternate vision of what GOD is. MY god is VERY real extremely well documented in human history and in fact surrounds us every day of our endlessly short lives. We STILL insist on talking of this human fabricated entity, who may or may not exist and that's fine. The ability to prove the physical presence of such and entity certainly is NOT a requirement for it's existence anymore than the lack of a photograph of a black hole makes it subject to being winked out of existence by our lack of faith in it's existence. We can waste our time trying to make things go away or come into being by just imagining that they don't or do exist all that we want. The fact remains that just as your foot doesn't give a flying fig about whether or not that ant believes in it. Neither does the ant give a handjob to a blind priest whether you believe in it. We just don't HAVE that ability. It's just so absolutely silly to even THINK that our belief systems can wink things (ANY things) in or out of existence. If they exist, they exist, if they don't they may someday, or they may not, but one things for certain, our faith in their existence will not change the truth of their actual manifestation one bit. I can't stress my feeling on this enough...I think it's probably as absurd a notion as we humans have. That and the one about nothing around us REALLY existing. Good golly miss molly, nice mental exercise, fun philosophy, but absolutely useless. I would also like to point out something that just popped into my brain. Many people are apt to disregard some of the the works and words of Jesus of Nazareth as poppy-cock. That's a matter of personal opinion, but the reason I bring it up is this: When we talk about believing in the tooth fairy making the tooth fairy real, or not believing in God (the entity) making such a God dry up and blow away, we sound so much like Jesus talking about moving mountains and the like, that you have to ask yourself...are you as much of non-secular type as you actually THINK you are? Your words make you sound like Jesus preaching about faith. That's my 2 cents worth. The universe is the creator, it exists, it created you...make it go away...I DARE you. 010223 ... Dafremen One final word that I forgot to add to that blather: If a bunch of people believe in the tooth fairy and a bunch of people don't, here is exactly what you have: If the tooth fairy DOESN'T exist, you have a bunch of idiots running around believing in something that doesn't exist. A tooth fairy popping out of thin air does not result from such belief. If the tooth fairy exists. you have a bunch of ignorant mo-foze who have been denying the existence of a REAL entity, which ALSO does not mean that this tooth fairy entity will just say "Ohh gee...noone believes in me anymore because they can never see me...guess I'll stop existing now." In either event, belief and/or faith have NOTHING to do with existence. Now if someone were to FABRICATE the tooth fairy as a result of their belief in the toothh fairy, that would be interesting, however it would jsut go to show that they didn't really believe that there WAS a tooth fairy, just that there SHOULD be a tooth fairy. Once again though...just believing ISN'T going to make it happen. Neither is disbelief. Sorry...wish it worked that way. I don't believe it does. 010223 ... Dafremen Ohh yea and...my original alias/handle/screen name since I first got online 23 years ago was and always has been: Roger The Fremen = Roger Dafremen = Dafremen and YES...I have always been a huge fan of Dune since I was 9 and read the first 3 books. 010223 ... god i got a dune buggy. 010223 ... kx21 7) Will it make any difference(s) to you if GOD is still alive or dead? 010224 ... Dafremen Does it, by any chance, answer to the name of Speedy? Maybe Speed Buggy? 010224 ... kx21 The answer is probably:- 10% Yes, 10% No and 80% unsure or irrelevant... 010224 ... kx21 g8) Will it make any difference(s) to you if GOD is Real Entity or Virtual Object? 010224 ... kx21 g9) Is it true that God is absolutely independent of everything else? 010224 ... god my dune buggy's name is tonya, and it is imaginary to MOST PEOPLE. 010224 ... Dafremen that's quite a coincidence... i_got_a_cat_named_tonya 010224 ... kx21 g10) Given that God is absolutely independent of everything else. Does this imply that your fate is certainly not dependent on GOD? 010224 ... kx21 g11) If g10 is true, then there is no correlation between YOU and GOD. g12) It made no difference(s) between believers and non-believers of GOD... g13) And Heaven is not solely for believers of GOD, but is for Everybody, who are able to meet its stringent entry requirements and standards ... g14) And Hell is not solely for non-believers of GOD, but is for Everybody, who are able to meet its specific entry requirements and standards ... Copyright 2001. kx21.com 010224 ... kx21 15) GOD, SATAN, HEAVEN and HELL are no difference from EVERYTHING Else, such as www, The_Theory_of_Everything, particularly you, which are created, articulated, portrayed, etc.. by fellow sentient or non-sentient beings to add more colors to their LIFE and to beautify the inconceivable Universe... 010224 ... god bingo 010224 ... Dafremen You...as usual are on quite a roll kx21. 1. The universe is your creator. 2. God is the creator. 3. The universe is God. However, Heaven and Hell? Revamp and resubmit the questions. The subject is INVALID. 010225 ... dB Dafremen! Damn you. I only read the first book when I was 11. I just got a Dune "thing" going in the last couple of weeks. My only copy of the book is pretty much dead, all fallen apart and stuff. So I ordered three copies online. and the rest of the books (except the B Herbert ones). And the original movie. Then the wide screen version. Then the three hour version. Now I'm gettting the mini series and some of the movie posters are getting block-mounted as we speak. Don't knwo why though. It's been a couple of years since the last time I read it. I dunno. Crazy. Costing me alot of money as well. Oh, right, sorry, the debate thing. Well, let's have a look at what you have left out... right. Pretty much all of what you have stated is a pretty good argument. Covered the angles pretty well (even if a bit delayed). One thing though. To someone who believes in the tooth fairy, say, some imaginative 6 year old. If you asked the kid if the tooth fairy existed, the kid would be adiment that she does (sanity seems to be something that develops just after puberty with most humans). To that six year old the tooth fairy exists just as much as his/her tricycle exists. While not being a physical entity. That belief does not bring about the physical prescence of the tooth fairy, but to this particular six year old it does. The same can be applied to god. There is always the misrepresentation theory. In medievil times, the church was all-powerful. It had the power to kill, create war, famine, anything. Even dictate birth to some extent. The people being very superstitious would believe anything. If someone in power within the church said "God wishes that this person be burned at the stake, because she is a witch", rather than god he would be talkign about someone higher up the chain of command, but the people would believe that it was god itself that had made that command. Belief can be a good thing. It can bring people together for a common cause or anything. But if you change the parameters, change belief into fear, as was done, you create slaves. The way that children are brought up in the ways of the church is actually a form of torture. You make them so scared that they follow what you tell them. Some people would call it scare tactics, but it goes deeper than that. I know this is going off the subject alot, but in my mind it raises the question, was the church ever about god in the first place? Or was it just a bunch of smart people playing on the fears of others to get themselves in a position of power? If I can't attack the belief system, I'll attack the source. So, it would seem that if you do the proper research, you'll find that the churches only started to FORCE belief/fear on the public back in about... 550 AD, to about 800 AD (I think, havn't got the material here). That system was passed from generation to generation. It merely ment that those who got into power in the church could appoint their friends and all develop this farce to get people to follow them, and in a sence worship them and give them money. These days it's much better because the original intent was lost. These days even thouse in power in the church think that they are doing the right thing. Well some of them, there are some who would use their power over people to their own means like in the old times, but the church in the end has cinvinced itself of the fallacy, and within another 500 years will be forgotten entirely. Screw the belif system, can't get my head around that, but if you stick to the doings of man, it's simplicity in itself. I suppose you have read Lord of the Rings DaFremen(?) 010225 ... dB BTW, I didn't really mean damn you. I forgot to put one of them stupid :-) things after it to indicate I was kidding. Hang on, you are smart enough to have figured that out already so why the hell am I typing this? Oh that's right, it's better than doing actual work. 010225 ... god it was like this 923 trillion years before the earth was formed too. 010225 ... god no words over this part 010225 ... kx21 It is good to note that g15) is just a logical conclusion from two assumptions from g10) & g11):- g10) Given that God is absolutely independent of everything else. Does this imply that your fate is certainly not dependent on GOD? g11) If your fate is certainly not dependent on GOD, then there is no correlation between YOU and GOD. g12) It made no difference(s) between believers and non-believers of GOD... g13) And Heaven is not solely for believers of GOD, but is for Everybody, who are able to meet its stringent entry requirements and standards ... g14) And Hell is not solely for non-believers of GOD, but is for Everybody, who are able to meet its specific entry requirements and standards ... 15) GOD, SATAN, HEAVEN and HELL are no difference from EVERYTHING Else, such as www, The_Theory_of_Everything, particularly you, which are created, articulated, portrayed, etc.. by fellow sentient or non-sentient beings to add more colors to their LIFE and to beautify the inconceivable Universe... Copyright 2001. kx21.com 010225 ... kx21 g15) GOD, SATAN, HEAVEN and HELL are no difference from EVERYTHING Else, such as www, The_Theory_of_Everything, particularly you, which are created, articulated, portrayed, etc.. by fellow sentient or non-sentient beings to add more colors to their LIFE and to beautify the inconceivable Universe... g15) is just a logical conclusion if GOD is absolutely independent of Everything else AND Your fate is not dependent on GOD. 010225 ... kx21 g16) Accordingly to scientists, every person on earth share 99.99 per cent of the same genetic code with all other people. Is this an evidence to support or validate g15)? 010225 ... Dafremen You answered your own question DB, yea I got that! :) As for what men will do to other men, that's an entirely different subject. It's always been better to sh*t on people than to get sh*t on yourself. It's always better to rule than to be ruled. Does his belief in the tooth fairy make the tooth fairy real to the 6 year old? No, it makes his BELIEF in the reality of the tooth fairy real, but once again it STILL doesn't change the nature of the tooth fairy one iota. However, I suppose that since the young boy would do things that he might not OTHERWISE do, such as putting the tooth under his pillow, you could say that his BELIEF in the tooth fairy has very real manifestations. Remember, I don't believe that self-centric perspectives are healthy. I think that when we start to step outside of ourselves and project our perspective on the rest of creation, we do ourselves a huge disservice. That little boy, and his parents, or that church follower and his church were completely responsible for any physical manifestations that they would attribute to God. The church followers believed it, thus giving the power to the church to make up MORE acts or decisions of God. None of this had ANY bearing on the existence or lack thereof of a God entity, period. Human beings are silly creatures. We always have been. We have all of this intellect and what do we waste it on? Domination, control and power struggle. Then, to make matters worse, we somehow delude ourselves into thinking that we are "distorting" the fabric of reality with our twisted little mind games. Tsk tsk tsk. This is sort of what I meant by "pathetic" at the beginning of the god blather. All of our scheming and believing and faith don't even begin to DENT the nature of reality. The universe goes on about its wonderful job of creation as if nothing has happened. It will long after we're gone. P.S. Didn't you find the first chapter or two of Dune to be really DRY?! I did, I almost didn't get into it at all. I'm glad I stuck it out though. 010226 ... Dafremen Oh yea almost forgot: The Hobbit The Lord of the Rings Trilogy The Simarillion All great!! (The Simarillion was a bit dry..but readable!) 010226 ... dB Fremen, I give you the victory. You got a good brain there and you know how to use it. :-) People do tend to use their intellects for some strange purposes, if they use them at all. Did you know that the average reading age is dropping exponentially every year. This is disturbing. I received a couple of orders from the states a couple of weeks ago. One was from a kid who was sixteen, and the other was from a guy who owned his own advertising firm. After putting the two envelopes side by side I noticed that the handwriting was almost the saame kind of scrawl that would be created by an 8 year old. Both had spelled "Wonderland" wrong as well. (My shop is called Wonderland Records). Maybe our efforts are wasted in this running around in circles talking about the existance of god or whatever. Maybe we should put our efforts into wondering why people are becoming more stupid. I didn't think that the first couple of chapters were dry as such, just a slow build-up. Although the intro on the first page was a little lose. The bit that is just about the hag coming up the path. There could have been a decent hook in there to draw the reader into the book, rather than give them time to think "what else am I supposed to be doing right now? have I got time for this?". To be quite honest I have never read Silmarillion. I have owned a copy for a few years now, but I just never get motivated enough to read it, but it'll get done one day. New Zeland has been LOTR central the last couple of years, what with the movie and everything. Jackson even hired part of the garden where my band room is for some establishing shots. LOTR is EVERYWHERE over here, and has kinda put me off it for a while, but that'll go when the movies come out. I'm expecting them to be the highlight of the NZ movie industry. Anyway, enough banter. I'll catch up with ya later. 010226 ... Dafremen Thanx and ditoo to you man. Good discussion. I think it must be left with the following conclusion of God the entity. God is if he is. Judging by the fact that he owns a dune buggy and a cat named tonya, I'd be willing to wager money on "he is." 010226 ... kx21 g17) And the human genome sequence shows that people from difference racial groups can be more similar genetically than individuals within the same group. g18) Will advances in Science, Genetics, etc.. repudiate Race, Religion and GOD? 010226 ... kx21 g19) "Tell Me Why" Tell me why the stars do shine, Tell me why the ivy twines, Tell me why the sky's so blue, And I will tell you, just why I love you. The romantic answer around God:- Because God made the stars to shine, Because God made the ivy twine, Because God made the sky so blue, Because God made you, that's why I love you. The smart-aleck answer from Science: Nuclear fusion makes stars to shine, Adhesive tendrils make ivy twine, Rayleigh diffraction makes skies so blue, Chemical hormones, that's why I love you. 010226 ... kx21 g20) The Deeper Questions How was the the universe created? What is life? What is cognition? 010226 ... kx21 g21) The Deepest Question:- Is there a God? Is God a Scientist, and a Master of all Trades? Who is the Creator of God? 010226 ... kx21 g22) The HOT Questions:- Did God use The Big Bang to create the Universe? Did God use Evolution To Create Life? 010226 ... kx21 g23) The Cool Questions:- Is God omnipresent? Are we part of God? Are Everything in U Part of God? Is God equal to Everything in U and Everything else? 010226 ... kx21 Note for g22)-n1... Pope John Paul II has lent his support to the theory of evolution, proclaiming it compatible with Christian faith in a step welcomed by scientists but likely to raise howls from the religious right... 010226 ... kx21 Note for g23)-n1 from P_Being The ideal solution: GOD = EVERYTHING... 010226 ... god does tonya exist? 010227 ... kx21 Who are You? Where are you now? The Blindman, the wiseman, the preacher, the scientist... There are seven different opinions on the shape of an Elephant from the Seven Blindmen. Thus, the answer is certainly dependent on the frame of reference and attributes of 'tonya' and its observer, and GOD willing:- Material Universe, Quantum Universe, Virtual Universe... Phisical State, Logical State, Spiritual State, ... Past, Present, Future... Hell, World, Heaven... etc... Copyright 2001. kx21.com 010227 ... kx21 Note for g21)n1 The Deepest Question:- Is there a God, etc... There are seven different opinions on the shape of an Elephant from the Seven Blindmen. Thus, the answer is certainly dependent on the frame of reference and attributes of God and its observer:- Material Universe, Quantum Universe, Virtual Universe... Physical State, Logical State, Spiritual State, ... Past, Present, Future... Hell, World, Heaven... etc... And g24)The New Questions:- What is the exact definition of GOD? The creator of Everything, The creator of all Univere(s), etc. Will this definition change or evolve over times? 010227 ... kx21 g25) GOD's Communication Style Can God write? Will GOD write? Given that God can write, God will certainly pass this task to somebody or something else. Evidence for the above statement: Every religion has its own holy book, and all claimed their's is the very Word of God, not dropped out of the sky but God-breathed, infused with God's power, as GOD communicated its plans, thoughts and intent through probable carefully selected human writers from different races, languages and religions. For instance, the Bible was written over a period of 1500 years, by more than forty different writers, on three different continents. They addressed a wide variety of subjects.... Is this a good demonstration of God's love for man? Why did GOD choose to use different Writers / Races / Language/ Religions for conveying its Plans, thoughts and Intent? 010301 ... kx21 g26) GOD's Plans for U's Development With advances of Technologies, Sciences, etc...and development of the Universe, U... Are there any better ways, means, methods, alternatives and approaches to improve the communication between GOD and MAN, in particular, to ensure relevancy, compatibility, consistency of GOD's Master Plans for U, in line with current and future U's development/ evolution / changes? g27) GOD's Plans for Holy Books Given that Change is the only constant in U. Thus, Everything in U is subject to changes.... Is revision of Holy Books one of the GOD's plans to ensure relevancy and survival of the Holy Books? Is a new and unified Holy Book good for Everybody, in particular the members of all religions? 010301 ... kx21 With the present technology, Is it easier and better for GOD to translate the Grand Plans, thoughts and intent via a Web site directly than communicate them through many human writers? Copyright 2001. kx21.com 010301 ... kx21 g28) Proofs of God's Existence A Search was performed on WWW for GOD Existence using Google today:- Results 1 - 10 of about 889,000... Is the magic number 889,000 a proof of GOD's existence? 010302 ... see. 870,000, on my computer. 010302 ... god go forth and clone jesus using dna from the shroud of turin. fulfill the prophecy of the second coming. 010302 ... kx21 Some interesting subjects / findings are as follows: Proofs For And Against The Existence of God Five Ways of Showing God's Existence The Moral Argument for God's Existence. Do Patterns in the Bible Prove God's Existence? Arguments for God's Existence from the Bible WORLD SCRIPTURE: Traces of God's Existence The Existence of God is a Tenet of Faith alone and cannot be demonstrated Reasons in Proof of the Existence of God The Existence of God cannot be proved, being a Self-evident Truth. Scientific proofs in the modern sense of the word are valid only for things perceptible to the senses since it is only on such things that scientific instruments of investigation can be used. To desire a scientific proof of God would be equivalent to lowering God to the level of beings of our world, and we would therefore be mistaken methodologically in regard to what God is. Science must recognize its limits and it's inability to reach the existence of God: it can neither affirm nor deny his existence. And very much more..., which are certainly beyond your imagination... Is it true that the existence of God cannot be proved via any scientific instruments with the_Power_of_Creativity? Is God still alive? Is there a way to get the right answer via GOD's LOVE for MAN and other Beings, with specifically design Scientific instruments such as GOD Explorer, Detector, Receiver, etc like COBE? 010302 ... heard three_words: nevermore forevermore spread i heard. namaste 010303 ... kx21 g29) GOD & ALIEN The search for scientific Proof of GOD's existence continues... Given that Science is an ART to study, explore, confirm and connect the Vigin of something and the Unknown of something else. If the Virgin of something is GOD's existence, then the next logical step is to identify the Unknown of something else...with The_Power_of_Creativity and The_Gene_of_Nothing.... Eureka!!! It is none other than ALIEN's Existence What is the connection between GOD & ALIEN? Refer to GOD_Explorer for further infomation and two conjectures on GOD & ALIEN... Copyright 2001. kx21.com 010303 ... harbinger i don't believe in god. the one that is divine. i used to, i think. i don't know. then again, i used to belive in the toothfairy. i don't belive in god. he hasn't helped me. or hasn't shown that he has. i don't believe in god. who is he? the one that is divne. ~ 010305 ... kx21 g30) GOD, The SUN, MAN & ALIEN What is the probablity for ALIEN to prove the existence of GOD, the Sun, in particular YOU? The answer from GOD_Exploere:- The probability for ALIEN to prove or detect the existence of GOD is very much very much higher than MAN... Copyright 2001. kx21.com 010306 ... kx21 It should be The answer from GOD_Explorer :- The probability for ALIEN to prove or detect the existence of GOD is very much higher than MAN... Copyright 2001. kx21.com 010306 ... skate is within you loves chocolate milkshakes created Einstein and the rest of us knew dinosaurs wouldn't work but was a fun thing anyway hates mean people tortures Hitler for kicks loves you wants you to love others made sweet pickles; I'm not sure why made weed and LSD loves Edsels and Porches loves surfing likes cheese steaks with extra ketchup tolerates politicians, barely can be seen from Everest's summit can be seen on skid row delights in a lion's kill grows in algae loves your breathlessness when hiking is baffled by Vienna sausage created Jazz and death metal is more powerful than Bill Gates loves lava wants to meet you in silence does not have a church tal 010306 ... kx21 g31) A Race between MAN and ALIEN Who will be the winner in the race of getting a proof of GOD' existence? What is the chance of Winning for MAN? Are there ways and means available to increase the probability of Winning? Copyright 2001. kx21.com 010306 ... kx21 It should be read as:- Who will be the winner in the race of getting a Scientific Proof of GOD's existence, MAN or ALIEN? 010306 ... kx21 A Way to increase the probability of winning a Race against Time:- Stage a head-on collision between the_Power_of_Creativity and the_Gene_of_Nothing... Copyright 2001. kx21.com 010307 ... mikey i think GOD isnt the issue really. its all these millions of people trying to decipher the bibles and holy writings of the world and man being well..man...it all gets jumbled up. you have one religion that to baptise you sprinkle the water..one you dunk...one you put a drop of water on the forehead. you have so many variations and all claiming to be "right" (some dont clam so i know its a figure of speech). biggest cause of war in the world. religion. but yet its a "good" thing? can i walk into any church and be taken in with open arms? no. church these days is like everything else. sex. politics. favortism. peer pressure. there are exceptions.....this is just a general opinion of mine. there are many great and good things and people involved in religion. but seems like every religious person i meet or see is bible wielding on sunday and out wrecking havoc every other day. wars. closed minds. no thank you! 010307 ... Aimee god? are you there? I have a question that I need answered. I have finally found happiness, please tell me, are you going to take away again, the way you do everytime I find it? Please please please don't. I've waited way too long to be happy to let it be taken away from me now. Please God, don't take it away. 010307 ... Aimee god? are you there? I have a question that I need answered. I have finally found happiness, please tell me, are you going to take away again, the way you do everytime I find it? Please please please don't. I've waited way too long to be happy to let it be taken away from me now. Please God, don't take it away. 010307 ... kx21 g32) God & Trust Given that Trust is the Universal Tool for Liar. And Truth is the Universal Tool for Man / Woman... Can your Truth be Trusted? 010307 ... kx21 Specifically, Do you ever Trust anybody fully without any suspiciousness? 010311 ... kx21 God' answer: The Truth is No, even yourself, but except me... 010312 ... Sarah Do I really believe in what I was raised with? Can I trust in a higher power? ARE YOU REALLY WHO YOU SAY YOU ARE? IS THIS ALL a bunch of bullshit? 010315 ... stinky tree laughing Yes is the answer. 010315 ... kx21 That is, GOD can be Trusted without Reservation... g33) GOD's Authority & Responsibility Q_As... 010316 ... kx21 Given that:- Searched the web for God's Authority. Results 1 - 10 of about 738,000 & God's Authority = God's Authority in www Searched the web for God's Responsibility. Results 1 - 10 of about 181,000. God's Responsibility = God's Sovereignty, GOD's Name, GOD's Will, GOD's Gift, GOD's Drawing, GOD's Love, GOD'... + Man's Responsibility in WWW ( Sovereignty = Supreme Authority & + = Plus ) What are the possible Q_As / Answers of g33)? 010316 ... kx21 g34) God & Soul Is Soul a God-given entity? Would a clone have a soul? Is the Soul of Clone a Man-given entity? What is the real difference between God-given's Soul and Man-given's Soul?entity Can a Man-given soul be duplicated? Can a God-given soul be duplicated? 010319 ... vampers does he exist....not in my world 010325 ... MexPanther god, a character made up by those who made up religions in order to keep people in constant belief that they are subordinates to something that isn't there. 010325 ... kx21 g35) The Purpose of Life Given that Life is just a string of appropriate and inappropriate relationships between you and everything else in U... Is God an Alien of U? What does " GOD " have to do with your Purpose of Life? Is your relationship with God appropriate? Why? What does " GOD " have to do with the Heaven, specifically Your Heaven? 010325 ... retartedkidnameddamian tyler once told jack that god doesnt like him. i believe he was correct. 010326 ... niko A word pointing beyond itself A roadsign to what can never be expressed Poetry words and concepts to get beyond words and concepts God exists God does not exist The most true of lies 010406 ... Nerbus Maximus God is Just. God is Love. God is Forgiveness. God is Forever. God is Everywhere. God is not created by human reason,for then we would make God, God. God is Above all yet he is below with us. 010406 ... Chrity go to: i_have_words 010408 ... . God is like a story i read in my world lit class. "Zaabalawi." some people spend all their lives searching for God, to be saved.. and finally when you're passed out drunk, God sits next to you and chills for a while, but leaves before you wake up. he's there and you don't even know it until he's gone. 010409 ... not confused. How in the heck did you people get so freakin' confused? Did you confuse yourselves individually, or as a group? If you have so many questions regarding God, why don't you go someplace reliable for answers? I saw this tv show (network TV, not CBS, either!)the other day; it was a bunch of Harvard and Princeton smarties debating the accuracy of the Holy Bible. I thought it was cool how they couldn't argue against it. Why don't we ask the smart people, and how do we know who the smart people are? I know that someone, somewhere, must know a smart person, but why aren't they sharing? DIDN'T THEY LEARN ANYTHING IN KINDERGARTEN?!?! Maybe they got held back so many times they they kicked them out. Why are THEY friends with the smart people? Am I a smart person? Most likely. Why? because I know the Truth, man! and only my friends know about it with me. "Will you be my friend?" that's what this annoying gumball machine says. it is across the hall in the mall where i work. we hate the gumball macheine, it would be COOL if it didn't talk so much! stupid gumball machiene... 010416 ... velvet spasm i used to go by that name. i created the universe, too. 010416 ... florescent light damnit you all are wrong... I am god! not you, or you, or you over there... ...but me. I am god I am. 010416 ... altoidman1 There is a place where god no longer exists today. This place is the American's own public school system... the system that nearly every child today must pass through, yet no child learns of the fundamental wrongs he can do so easily by pulling the t r i g g e r on that gun he brought to school. 010416 ... velvet spasm i am a pencil 010416 ... kx21 Smart People usually likedGod as Wisemen generally look like God... 010419 ... velvet spasm i am the alpha bits and the olds omega 010419 ... imitator the Creator; the One I live for who gives life meaning 010420 ... pickletree When you meet him, you will find out if he exists 010428 ... god i'm here. relax. 010428 ... Margaret Are you there God? It's me, Margaret 010428 ... kx21 The_Truth:- ? The more you talk and think about it, the further it is away from you... 010429 ... kx21 g36) God & You The more you talk and think about it, the further it is away from you... 010429 ... jake "god sometimes you just don't come through...you make pretty daisies...tell me you're crazy, maybe then i'll understand...just in case, i heard you gone south well babe you love your new folk..." 010501 ... psychobabe god why do i hurt so much? please help me out and tell me why. I hate him so much. He hurt me, why? couldnt you have warned me? to not stop and talk with him? just help me understand 010501 ... kx21 The more you know about it, the further it is away from you... 010501 ... The Truth ------------------------------------- Answer these questions, please. 1. If God gave you more evidence, what kind of evidence would you want? (PLEASE NOTE: The Word, history, signs, wonders, an infinite realm of beauty that surrounds us, and the fact that we can even ponder the Question ARE ALREADY TAKEN! So, please think of something else, thank you.) 2. If God created the Universe by his Thoughts and Words, what does that say about Faith? 3. If children grow up to be like their parents, and God says He is our race's "Father", what will humanity grow up to be? 4. If we didn't practice our skills as children, would we be able to perform them well as adults? 5. If you think God doesn't exist, then why try so hard to disprove Him? Do you also protest santa claus? Do you march in the Anti Elf, Troll and Goblin Awareness Parade? 6. If the bible is fiction, why does it contain so many historical, geneological, archaeological, and psychological FACTS? ( And why are there so many people who try to comment on a book they've never even read?) 7. If you were amazed at and loved the bacteria in the cells inside of your elbow, and planned on extracting them for grand future purposes one day, how would you tell them? How could you possibly let them know so they could be ready? (seriously!) --------------------------------------- 010529 ... The Truth G O D i s t h e S U P E R N A T U R E 010529 ... the voice God/Gods is/were the difference, that made it possible for mankind to connect/extend the unique consciousness of the indiviual to the spiritual self awarness of a society. Because of long consequent misusing of the power of God/s and their particular counterpart in the past and present, we decide to declare her/him/them as absolute obsolet. 010529 ... cali j What can I say..He's done alot of cool things for me *sigh* he loves me. Thanks for everything God. Jesus was the coolest. I really dig the ocean idea especially when the sun sets and rises. That feeling is like no other. 010531 ... god no sweat 010601 ... flo dear mr/mrs/miss/ms TRUTH it seems to me you have spent rather too much time reading the work of people who have a vested interest in you continuing to believe. sit down, relax and ponder why any of those questions could not apply to any of the worlds religions. there is no truth in saying look how cool this all is. look for a mechanism of creation. why should random chemical chance that feedsback on itself be any less beautiful or astounding. also, consider yourself to be a creator, awaitng the moment when you can reveal your great plan to the cells that make up your elbow (weird analogy but i liked it), before you do, just out of curiosity, you ask them what they think is going on. can you imagine how staggeringly wrong your elbow cells would get it, and how staggeringly wrong the people of this planet will have got it if God ever did come calling. they say He has a sense of humour, i think He'd get as big a laugh out of christianity as he did from the kangaroo. lastly, people don't march against santa elves or pixies because they don't stand for restricting freedom, breedind ignorance and they certainly cannot have a major percentage of human misery attribted directly to them. 010601 ... Dafremen I disagree flo. Santa Claus and the seasonal commercialism that comes with him most CERTAINLY have done MORE to restrict freedom, breed ignorance and cause a major percentage of modern human suffering than perhaps any other commerical institution ever. More people become SLAVES to their annual Christmas bills than are sold as slaves on the Asian black market every year. So much for freedom. More people believe that getting is more important than giving than EVER in the history of mankind. More folx think that loving your fellow man means giving your fellow man a better present than he gives you. Talk about spreading ignorance. Santa Claus has certainly spread MORE than his fair share. Suffering? More divorces, suicides, breakups, abandonments, homicidal rampages than ANY other time of year. THANK YOU Santa! As for Mr.Truth, as usual he's got a lot of good stuff in there, but AS USUAL he still figures that if you mix some good stuff into a sh*t sandwich that it will somehow stop being a sh*t sandwich. Now THAT'S faith! That's a shame too, cuz if he could just pull the good stuff out and discard the rest of the baloney, he MIGHT actually be able to live up to his name. 010601 ... The Truth I could only cease to live up to my name by telling lies, which I have not done. I just invite people to answer the questions... They're not so tough, and they are designed to lead you on a journey of personal enlightenment as you explore and ponder them. I am curious, FLO, as to why you say/think Christianinty is restrictive towards freedom? I have found it to be just the opposite. If by that you were refering to evil as a freedom, I have only this to say. All evil is damaging to life, and to everyone, no matter how much fun it seems to be. So if you have been harassed by ignorant people in the past who claim to be christians (as many christians just "play church") and that is somehow distorting your perceptions, then you need to draw your OWN conclusions, don't base your belief structure on the actions of a few ignorant christians. perhaps it is due to listening to someone else's opinion about it, instead of seeking for yourself...(and is that? yes, yes I believe it ...That IS ignorance!!) I am not trying to sway anyone's beliefs. I am just telling the Truth. I encourage you to TRUELY do the research about Christianity on your own, find out for yourself!! Don't listen to me, or your neighbor, or your bar buddies, or your friends or enemies, find out and listen to your (excuse the cliche) heart. And as for my shit sandwich... Can I have some mustard please! It tastes something like this: Why not pray...and by pray that means actually believe that someone on the upper end is listening...even for just a few moments...and ask God to reveal Himself to you in some way. Nothing specific...and don't say:"God, if you are real then make this twinkie turn into a million dollars!" Because that would be greedy, and God cannot possible commit evil, since He is pure good, and all. 010601 ... Dafremen Ya know, not only have I ASKED your questions, I've been fortunate enough to have received the answers to those same questions. I don't know about flo, but I have NOTHING against Christians or organized religion in general. It has a place and serves a purpose and therefore is tolerable despite its inherent failings. No I just have no USE for organized religion personally. I don't happen to need the services which it provides so many on a daily basis. I know my maker well, it is all around me. I am very aware of my place in the grand scheme of things and I'm extremely grateful to have been given the opportunity to play whatever part was available to me no matter how insignificant. I love life, I love the universe and I am capable of literally SURROUNDING myself with EVERYTHING around me in an empathic way. I can literally SEE the enormity of Earth and I am absolutely BLOWN away by it's relative enormity and my puny stature in relation to it. I get a great deal of peace from the knowledge that has been granted me and I am humbled by the glory of the universe around me...my God. That's right I believe that the universe is God. It is after all my Creator. MY own personal opinion is that people need to stop looking far off into the wild blue yonder for some Divine purpose that awaits them or their race or religion and start realizing that they are their OWN purpose. God is all around you and you CAN see God. I'm not so sure that God LOVES you, but isn't just BEING enough? It is for me. Perfect Paradise Did you ever: Overlook the three leaf clovers while searching for one with four? Forget how good the well water tastes when you haven't had a drink for hours? How good a glass of soda tastes when you've been drinking water for months? Have a better bowl of beans than those served with an empty stomach? Have a better piece of steak than the one that came on the heels of a diet of beans? Curse the sun on a hot day and bless the rain when it came? Then find yourself waiting after weeks of rain for the sun to peek out of the clouds? DID YOU EVER Realize that now is what you have, good or bad, and that the pain and suffering of human existence is what makes the small pleasure great and the minor comforts heavenly? Perfect paradise is all around you and you don't have to wait for it because it's already waiting for you. Roger Dafremen - - - 010601 ... The Truth I am truly happy that you are fulfilled on many different levels, Dafreman. It is clear from your blatherings that your lead a deeply introspective existence. You even have enough courage to evaluate and/or judge everone else's opinions, as if you yourself had the ability to authorize them. Interesting. I may or may not agree with you that you "need" religion...it's not for me to decide I guess. And after all, Christ himself said, "It is not the healthy who need a doctor, but the sick. I have not come to call the righteous, but sinners." However there is one thing I do believe. ...God... ...Relationships... ...Destiny... ...Love... If you don't see a connection between all four of these things, you may just be missing out on something HUGE! (The_Grand_scheme_of_things for instance.) 010601 ... god tore out the upholstery... in dat oldsmobile... hafta go to tijuana soon... 010601 ... Dafremen Read "dafremen" and perhaps you will find that your impression of me as someone who JUDGES other people's opinions is really a result of your INSISTENCE on judging that which I write. I liked your quote from Jesus, it was very appropriate to the subject. Destiny is a foolish notion thought up by humans who need a convenient excuse for whatever. Hell with manifest destiny behind them, white folx kept slaves and killed indigenous peoples and took their land. Relationships. I suppose I could agree that relationships are important, but NOT in the grand scheme of things except perhaps as those relationships reflect upon one's individual character. I think the notion that relationships are important is one that stems from the fact that relationships are important to us humans, not that they're particularly important in a cosmic sense. God? Well God is all around us my friend so I would be a fool to refute the importance of the universe and all that it has given us. Remember God=universe. Finally Love. The same thing holds true for love that was true for relationships. IF love IS important it is in the context of how love demonstrates the character of the individual and it seems important more because of its importance to the human species than because of any universal significance. There you have it. The whole enchilada. If you don't read dafremen then your continued rantings about my judgmental nature will hereafter be considered as your proffering fodder for my amusement and nothing more. Thanks for shopping at Daffy's Have A Nice Day. : ) - - 010602 ... lizardqueen i stood upon the waters edge to wait for him on hand and knee and watched my only god drift by on sailing ships id come to see 010602 ... nemo sneeze 010604 ... god goat_pussy 010605 ... lalalander god is an idea. a thought, a feeling, a sensation. god is a savior for some, a damnation for others. god is the easy way out. an escape for the weak. or is it just a simple way of explaining the unexplainable? god? who is god? a savior? i think not. only someone who forces people to be facist, sexist, racist, homophobic pigs. that is god. god can kiss my ass. 010608 ... The Truth Dafremen, you are close to accuracy, but only about as close as the Sun is to Alpha Centauri. Now this: "Destiny is a foolish notion thought up by humans who need a convenient excuse for whatever." That statement is the biggest intellectual cop-out there is! That's like saying, "The sky doesn't really exist, it's just a foolish notion for people who need an excuse for whatever." In a way, the sky is different than we think of it, but it still exists. I have witnessed destiny more times than you could imagine. I know it to be true. If manifest destiny wasn't destiny, then why did it come true exactly as foretold? And your spout about relationships, this is simple. Does a hydrogen atom have a relationship with it's electron? Does the Earth have a relationship with the moon? Does the Sun have a Relationship with the Earth. Are not all of these relationships comrised of a smaller sphere orbiting a larger sphere? Are all things in the grand scheme of things related (Relativity)? Yes, yes, yes, yes, and yes. 010608 ... The Truth God created the universe, God is extradimensionular. To think that God IS the universe can be disproven quite simply with a logical test. If I spit into the water, and that spit becomes home to new life. Will the life inside my spit think that my spit is me? I created that spit, it is a part of me, but it is not me. 010608 ... landruc god hates Religion. god is infinite and therefore beyond Definition. All Religions attempt to Define god. Therefore, Religion is Blasphemy. (And the more Fundamentalist a Religion is, the more blashemous it is.) god hates Religion, but loves the believer. (This is because the believer is a being and the Religion is just a meme.) god loves agnostics. 010612 ... Dafremen You example assumes something. A) That god is a given name belonging to an omnipotent being and therefore cannot be applied to the universe. (False logic) B) That there is indeed an omnipotent being (let's call him..oh I don't know how about God?) who created the universe as part of a divine plan. While that does INDEED remain a possibility, where exactly should the little "who made who" game stop? Should I go on and try to contemplate THAT God's creator? And what about God's creator's creator? Should I keep going back further? Should those microbes consider my great-great-great-great-great-great-great-great grandfather to be God? Should it keep going further back? Would you have those poor microbes engage in the same futile philisohpical tail chasing that you seem to want humans to engage in? No thanks, I think the universe is where I stop it. I can, with a good deal of certainty, say that I am a creation of the Universe. Unfortunately, without an even GREATER leap of faith I cannot say the same for the everpresent omnipotent God. Therefore I leave the question of God to those who have more time on their hands to than I do to ponder the question. Meanwhile, I'll get on with making the best use of what I KNOW to be true. So far I have never been more happy than since I STOPPED the little "where did I come from" "why am I here" games. C) As for your example of how manifest destiny was REAL. I guess in so much as you make your OWN destiny, that is true. Manifest destiny provided people with the justification they needed to do what they had to do to make what happened happen. If THAT's your idea of DESTINY then I guess not only can we agree, but we need to email Webster's and have them add another number to the list of definitions of the word DESTINY. 010612 ... Teenage Jesus Yawn! I'm the real sucker for following this stupid thread. Crap! 7 minutes!! My dad #1 isn't real and #2 never liked you. Read SatanX3 or even my, let's say, "special" brother Dave_Christ . Dave volcanoed the bowl; he he haw! I laughed so damn hard! 010612 ... god but does he change the water? 010612 ... satan satan satan mmmm, icewater (why do you think i grow my best stash on Erebus) 010612 ... Dafremen Heheh good one Teen Christ. I laughed for about a minute when I read that. Suckeeer! 010612 ... kx21 Given that U comprises uncountable Stars and Shits; Stars are mother of shit(s); Shits are father of star(s); and U is changing, evoluing, transforming, etc over time... Is God the sole Creator and Designer of U? 010613 ... ? Are things not there when you can't see them? 010615 ... ? Are things not there when you can't see them? 010615 ... Gurl God make the earth, people, and things. Then who made GOD? 010615 ... Gurl God make the earth, people, and things. Then I have a question: Who made GOD? 010615 ... baby satan two heterosexual higher powers, i would assume. 010615 ... my name is tonya i_am_god's_cat 010615 ... executrix Do you see him? Didn't t h i n k s0 /// 010616 ... the machine You let me violate you, you let me desecrate you you let me penetrate you, you let me complicate you help me i broke apart my insides, help me i've got no soul to sell help me the only thing that works for me, help me get away from myself i want to fuck you like an animal i want to feel you from the inside i want to fuck you like an animal my whole existence is flawed YOU GET ME CLOSER TO GOD you can have my isolation, you can have the hate it brings you can have my absence of faith, you can have my everything help me tear down my reason, help me it's your sex i can smell help me make me perfect, help me become somebody else i want to fuck you like an animal i want to feel you from the inside i want to fuck you like an animal my whole existence is flawed YOU GET ME CLOSER TO G0D through every forest, above all the trees within my stomach, scraped off my knees i drink the honey inside you hive, you are the reason i stay alive 010616 ... pat sajak hey- right back atcha! 010616 ... Dafremen Hey Truth, Read back about 4 blathers to that person calling themselves Gurl. THAT is exactly the kind of insignificant philisophical CLAP trap that I'm talking about. WHENEVER you talk about god as some entity that created everything you get some dingleberry who wants to play the "who made the creator" game. Trust me, the universe is god it is your creator it is my creator and I personally am JUST humbled enough by the sheer enormity of it all not to be so PRESUMPTUOUS as to ask who created my creator. It is enough to be alive and to know where I came from, no need to go digging into my creator's pedigree like a nosey little b*tch. - - 010616 ... jane i never thought this could be so fun 010618 ... god i created god 010618 ... Sheena all powerful and knowing. most important person in my life. the one i love the most. the one who created me and one day i will see face to face! the one i talk to every night. the one who helps me through my trials and tribulations. the one i just want to thank for everything!! 010618 ... Sheena . 010618 ... god hey- you're quite welcome. 010618 ... The Truth Hey Dafremen, Just to illustrate the point where you and I disagree, and we may have to agree to just disagree on this topic. I believe the universe is the creation. You believe the univere is the creator. I really do understand why you believe that, because I've pondered that myself and arrived at that as one of my possible conclusions. However, the little beings on this little planet called Earth, let's call them humans, have done a lot of calculating, observing, quantifying and hypothesising...and they actually discovered that this universe had a beginning! A point of Origin. They call it the_big_bang and so far they've amassed tons of evidence to support their silly little theory. So you may freely believe that the universe IS our creator, our God, but by doing so you are inadvertantly stating that "your" God had a beginning. Which is fine with me! I am not about to try to tell anyone they're wrong, because I simply do not know. But I will also share, as you and everyone else have, what I believe. I believe the universe cannot possibly contain the infiniteness of the Creator. A)There is a limited amount of energy in the universe, which conflicts with my perceptions of the infinte being of Love who designed and crafted the universe. B) Time was created along with space. Therefore there had to exist a dimension prior to the space time continium where there was no time and space. This opens the possibilities for a timeless Creator, who had no beginning, nor ending, simply because beginnings and endings are only associated with time. God is an engineer and an artist. The Universe is His colorful machine. 010619 ... god especially you goofy people 010619 ... Dafremen Heheh why is it that for someone so unassuming...you assume so much? You assume, for instance, that having discovered the "point of origin" of everything in the universe and having calculated backwards to the moment that it first started expanding from that point, that scientists now know the beginning of the universe. They do not. They know the approximate moment and spot in which THIS iteration of the universe began in this timespace...more or less. Scientists have all of the pieces that they need to understand the endless cycle that is the universe. Unfortunately they are too busy trying to prove some of those pieces to just sit down and put them together. The universe is never ending and although I know a perfectly plausible manner in which it could have been brought into existence at some point in time, I certainly don't require either a beginning or an end in order to be satisfied with my understanding of the nature of my origins. It's actually a well established fact that humans have a hard time dealing with the concept of a beginningless endless stream of existence. In fact, WHENEVER we view a physical object/entity of ANY type, one of the first things we do is try to ascertain how BIG it is, then how much it weighs, then how old it is, then we estimate its longevity to estimate perhaps when this object's existence might end. We're CONSTANTLY measuring things for the purpose of establishing their physical and temporal limits. We can't stand the infinite...it drives us nuts. A beginning and/or an end ALWAYS help us to "get our heads around" things. Which is WHY you require a God as creator and could not possibly be satisfied with anything less than something which you could not see smell taste touch or hear. Why? Simply because the universe has yet to provide you with the hope of an end...and a new beginning in which you are a part. Something which your God's judgment day provides you with; An end to this chapter a beginning of some wonderful new chapter. To look at an impassionate neverending universe as your creator would mean to stare your OWN finite existence as a human dead in the eyes and realize that there's no escape from the END of YOU as you know you. You instead require a continued existence as the centerpiece of creation...as a human. Anything else is to horrible to imagine. No my creator has no end and requires no beginning. Yours, however, conveniently provides you with BOTH. Both a Genesis and an Armageddon. Yes your God provides you with a convenient method of BOUNDING the universe around you so that you can relate, but more importantly, your God provides you with not only a sense of past, but a sense of hope for the future...a beginning and an end for YOU..the psyche. If that in any way helps you to enjoy life then more power to you, but you may as well understand that it isn't MY creator that is finite, but yours. Yours begins at Genesis and Ends at your faith. You say that Genesis wasn't the beginning of God? I say it's when God first came on the scene. I say the big bang wasn't the beginning of the universe. You say it's when the Universe first came on the scene. I have scientific theory to back up my statement. All of the pieces are there and I don't have to fabricate a single one of them. Meanwhile, the moment you made the assumption that the universe had a beginning, you immediately had to answer the question...but where did it come from and who started it? Given a choice between: A) Changing your first assumption and entertaining the idea that the universe might be endless.(Meaning without any ends...neither beginning nor end.) B) Actually searching for the answers to the origins of the universe.(And by so doing perhaps find the answers or go back and rethink the likelyhood of (A) ). C) Make up some unexpected plot twist that will explain any questions that might come up.(Such as an endless being who can do anything, knows everything, made everything and can never be seen or understood because he "works in mysterious ways"(Sort of like random chance and the order that is chaos?). A plot twist not unlike Batman's Utility Belt or Green Lantern's ring of power or Flash's neverending assortment of "speed-related" abilities. A handy answer to every question,("Hey..what CAN'T God do huh?") contradiction("The Lord works in mysterious ways.") or occurrence ("The Lord protected us that day by deploying our airbags properly.") Oh and suprise suprise...he made us humans in his image. Hey and he loves us and wants us to go away and be happy with him if we're good. Everything else? Well that's for US of course. You know like all of those deep space objects that we couldn't possibly see let alone reach. I just KNEW we had to be the REAL reason that this universe in which we are an insignificant dot was created!(Read that list again and imagine how a parentless child's "What My Dream Parent Does For Me" list might look like. Startling coincidence? Probably not. After all..isn't there always something MISSING in your average denominational convert's life before they "Find God"? Or should that read...Find Our Father?) Sounds like there's a lot of emotional and psychological baggage attached to choice number 3. That can't be helpful in finding the truth objectively! Not at all.) See the first two choices would have established the sincerity of your desire to understand the TRUE nature of your creator. Choice C is a rewrite introduced when some folx weren't happy with the beginning or ending of the story as it applies to us humans. Here's the beginning, you were the result of a chain of random events that led to your eventually being born in this form at this location in this time period. You are not unique and the evolutionary process from Big Bang to you has almost certainly occurred more than once in THIS iteration of the universe, let alone the number of times it has occurred prior to the "BigBang".(actually more like Big Blow..one of these days I'll get around to describing the cycle of the universe. For now it's sufficient to point out the fallacy of the reasoning you used in your critique of my belief that the universe is my creator...which holds true whether it was created or not.(Which as I've said is a perfectly logical possibility whose mechanism I could explain...but the temptation to seek some eternal BEING to replace my eternal universe has yet to justify itself and so will continue to remain an ill concieved manifestation of my own human fears and insecurities. Such human bias has NO business in an objective search for truth therefore I choose not to entertain it.) Perhaps when you've come to grips with the idea that you have NO idea what the universe IS let alone who made it, you'll finally realize that the Creator you so desperately NEED, to make sense of infinity, and the infinite universe from which you sprang, just might be one and the same thing. Until that day comes, you just keep on looking at the Universe as an inanimate non-sentient thing and your God as the omniscient creator. That's your choice, it's also a typical one that will continue leading to more questions than it answers. Why? Because all of the ANSWERS are on the path leading toward TRUTH. The path you are on will only lead to more questions. Why? Because you chose C...and in so doing chose to avoid answering the questions altogether. P.S. I still stand by my statement that organized religion serves a legitimate purpose in human society. It provides the comfort of "answers" when the truth is too glaringly difficult to conceive of or accept. It provides a focal point for many who need one in their lives. Lastly it provides that sense of blissful contentment with one's daily life that comes with believing that one day there will be an end to bad days and crappy lives and that happy days lie ahead. Be satisfied with your own contentment and bliss "The Truth" for it will make marching on toward your inevitable reabsorbtion into the universe that much easier to deal with. I personally am looking forward to it when it comes...until then I TOO will march on toward that joyful reunion content and unafraid. The difference is that my bliss comes from understanding the nature of my creator, yours comes from disregarding it. 010620 ... ass facely supermodel_rectum 010620 ... GOD THE MEEK SHALL INHERIT NOTHING Some take the bible For what it's worth When it says that the meek Shall inherit the Earth Well, I heard that some sheik Has bought New Jersey last week 'N you suckers ain't gettin' nothin' Is Hare Rama really wrong If you wander around With a napkin on With a bell on a stick An' your hair is all gone . . . (The geek shall inherit nothin') You say yer life's a bum deal 'N yer up against the wall . . . Well, people, you ain't even got no kinda Deal at all 'Cause what they do In Washington They just takes care of NUMBER ONE An' NUMBER ONE ain't YOU You ain't even NUMBER TWO Those Jesus Freaks Well, they're friendly but The shit they believe Has got their minds all shut An' they don't even care When the church takes a cut Ain't it bleak when you got so much nothin' (So whaddya do? Hey!) Eat that pork Eat that ham Laugh till ya choke On Billy Graham Moses, Aaron 'n Abraham . . . They're all a waste of time 'N it's your ass that's on the line (IT'S YOUR ASS THAT'S ON THE LINE) Do what you wanna Do what you will Just don't mess up Your neighbor's thrill 'N when you pay the bill Kindly leave a little tip And help the next poor sucker On his one way trip . . . SOME TAKE THE BIBLE . . . (Aw gimme a half a dozen for the hotel room!) 010620 ... The Truth Yeah! I agree Dafremen! Isn't God Great!!! 010620 ... Dafremen Giving up on trying to find gaping holes in my beliefs? Or tired of typing? Cuz I was just getting warmed up. I still haven't covered the mechanism whereby the universe endlessly creates and recreates itself. Too bad too. Physicists and mathematicians just started presenting it as a "new" theory not too many years ago. It came to me through meditation on the nature of the universe and everything around me. The Hubble constant in particular seemed like a HUGE clue. It wasn't until I was standing in the bathroom trying to explain what the Hubble constant was and how it related to the universe that I saw in one moment the entire cycle that the universe goes through reapeatedly forever. I have YET to put it in words, but the Big Bang wasn't a bang at all. Think of our universe as a balloon. Imagine that at any given point on the ballon there is a threshhold that if reached will cause that spot on the balloon to form a bubble...basically another balloon. Ok now...as YOU watch all matter and energy at that single point disappear into the new bubble, someone observing from inside the new bubble would see something entirely different: A Big Bang. Not knowing where all of the STUFF that makes up their universe came from, they assume that the "Big Bang" is the beginning and that the stuff must have come from NOWHERE and that therefore divine intervention but be involved. Course if three blind men happen upon an elephant they might feel a rope a tree and a snake...but they'd all be wrong. It's an elephant and the big bang wasn't a big bang at ALL but a big blow. What's next? Simple...eventually gravity starts collecting everything into one spot(regardless of what the physicists say about out not having critical density...they're basing their observations on what they can SEE. Some of them know better(the mathematicians) and reserve judgement on the matter) until such time as the threshhold is reached...then viola...new bubble...new BigBlow/Go and it starts all over again. Where did it all come from? Heheh silly human why does everything need a beginning with you? 010620 ... MYSELF God is my bestfriend. I do not see him or hear him. I only find him in silence, when I seek him. He is always there waiting for me. I feel him. Sometimes God overwhelms me with a feeling of peace and Love. He sees me. He knows me. I cannot hide from him. Before, I couldn't bear to face him. Because I feared changing who I was. I feared that he would not accept me, and my sinful nature. But I found that he Love's me anyway. And as I got to know him more, I did start to change, but it all seemed so natural, and easy. Knowing God helps me keep my eyes on things that matter. I TRY to stay away from things that belong to this world. Things like Hate, Pain, Greed, and Lust. I TRY to keep my eyes on fruitful things like Love, Mercy, Grace, Kindness, and Generousity. This doesn't make me a "righteous" person, or any better than anyone else. It just helps me to enjoy my life and to enjoy others. And to look ahead at the life after this world that he has promised me. 010620 ... ponderer Why is it, that when the subject of GOD comes up, so many non-believers get so angry about religon? I am a believer, who wants to say one thing. PLEASE, don't judge God based off of it's followers. We will all let you down because we are all imperfect. KNOW THIS: God is Perfect AND You don't have to be religous to know God. Also, so many people seem to think that choosing to believe in GOD is "the weak minded" choice. I THINK that it requires much more bravery to believe in something that you can't see or hear, or touch (in the literal sense). I believe that it takes a little bit of bravery to look into the spiritual realm and to invite this into your life. 010620 ... god RONNIE WILLIAMS: Ba-bah-bahdily SPIDER: Oh! JOHN: That one again. SPIDER: It's a little pig . . . with wings PIG WITH WINGS: EE . . . GROSS MAN: I hear you've been having trouble with pigs and ponies! Left channel: CALVIN: To . . . just the opposite . . . going around to the other direction Right channel: CALVIN: How 'bout us, don't we get any? GAIL: We don't get any . . . CALVIN: That's very distraughtening GAIL: We don't get any because we're otherwise SPIDER: Everything in the universe is . . . is . . . is made of one element, which is a note, a single note. Atoms are really vibrations, you know, which are extensions of THE BIG NOTE, everything's one note. Everything, even the ponies. The note, however, is the ultimate power, but see, the pigs don't know that, the ponies don't know that. MONICA: You mean just we know that? SPIDER: Right! SPIDER: "Merry Go Round! Merry Go Round! Do-Do-Do-Do Do-Do-Do Do-Do-Do!" and they called that "doing their thing." JOHN: Oh yeah, that's what doing your thing is! SPIDER: The thing is to put a motor in yourself. 010620 ... Dafremen By your definition of bravery ponderer, I'm afraid we've ALL chickened up quite a bit since we stopped believing in Santa Claus(Course we believed in him for the presents.) Then there are all of those BRAVE souls who put a tooth under their pillow every night. Now THAT's gotta take courage...specially since you're counting on the Tooth Fairy bringing you some money. Let's not forget those absolutely FEARLESS kids who wait patiently each Spring for the Easter Bunny to arrive with their Chocolate Bunnies and their candy eggs. We're not done yet though, because it isn't just KIDS who are brave enough to believe in things that they can't detect with their senses...adults do it too. There are all of those brave Scots and Non-Scots standing vigilantly at Loch Ness should nessie FINALLy peer her head up and look directly into a camera. Let's not forget the Bigfoot/Sasquatch hunters out there. Now THAT IS bravery...chasing after a 9 foot ape-man with no clothes(oh and so far no physical manifestation either.) There's Yeti and the Jersey Devil...all sorts of "monsters" to choose to believe in and by so doing demonstrate your BRAVERY and good judgement. By the way, most of these folx are chasing after the notoriety that would come if they could ever PROVE that their imagination isn't full of figments after all. Then there are those BRAVE denominational souls who do it for "the life after this world that he has promised me." My my...just OOOZING with bravery aren't we? What if God had said, "Well, folx enjoy this life...it's all you got. There is nothing after this...just you and oblivion. You might get to come back as a rock or part of a tree...but you definitely won't be human anymore..hell you won't even be in one SPOT anymore. You'll be sucked back into the Earth ashes to ashes like I told ya."(?) The minute you take the reward away God loses his appeal. Typical humans...trying to prop up your mythology with little wooden sticks in the hope that the rest of the world will believe it's as real as you do. OR at least as real as you HOPE it is. SUCH is the nature of your faith. It is a faith based on hope and as I've mentioned before..sometimes that's all that can get some people through the day. The reality is too horrible for you to face. See, you've confused escapism with bravery, which is incredible since they're practically opposites. Then again, I shouldn't be suprised...it's isn't the first error in judgement you've made. P.S. Although I do believe that it's possible for a BEING to have created the universe, I don't require that belief and I most DEFINITELY DO NOT BELIEVE that, in the event this is true, that being is spending its time waiting for us to come through the light. We are a very small part of this big beautiful universe, why can't you just be satisfied with playing what small part there is for you to play? Why do you require some sort of leading role? WHY do you need a reward in order to believe? Isn't existence reward enough? 010621 ... Teenage Jesus D- you blathered RE:The Yeti. What do you know. Are you in the archetype school; or do you REALLY KNOW? Tomorrow Dave and I are supposed to go see SatanX3; something about a wager. Not worried though; Dave's pretty tough. 010621 ... god that's when el's 'shrooms really began to kick in. he spun his head around violently. his thick rubbery lips flailed like soggy tubesocks tied to the door handle of a '79 volare. a single drop of grease escaped from his mane like a little child thrown from a merry-go-round. his eyes narrowed, then focused on a cloaked apparition bearing what appeared to be an ancient scroll containing terrible mysteries. upon the scroll was a single slice of pizza, also shedding grease. elvis lunged greedily for the slice. the apparition dissolved, and el found himself plunging into an abyss. el's head swam as he backed away from the toilet. he pulled up his pants, and half-heartedly raised his zipper. his hands, and the entire bathroom, were covered with shit. he retched, then reeled out of the room. Contributed by: god on October 29, 2000 el looked down the corridor. he limped weakly back towards his room. he saw in his mind the faces of millions of girls. thousands of stages. hundreds of towns. it seemed like a distant dream here in the spacecraft.. spacecraft?... SPACECRAFT?!!! his mind spun into oblivion as the last shred of his sanity tore. 010622 ... The Truth (( SEE ALSO : The_God_Debate_continues )) 010626 ... beorn left me behind to stand 010705 ... jane too bad i have A.D.D...or else i might have been able to read all of that and learn something. 010706 ... tonya c'mon dude, lemme eat that bird 010706 ... kx21 God has Ten Hearts... i.e. More than just the Creator of U... 010707 ... kx21 Manifestation / form of Nothing... 010707 ... Fire&Roses People say belief in God is weak. Why? When your little you belive in Santa Claus. You get older you believe in virgins. Middle age comes and you believe in money... but eventually all those things leave you. What have you got? Nothing. No faith. No hope. No reason to smile. No reason to get up in the morning. Other people say you should accept any relgion. If one is valid why not all of them? Why not? What makes your god better than mine? Well it isn't God really... all religions have God... they all have an opposite of him... but how many have Jesus? How many have a sacrifice of love for undeserving people? Then there's well if he loves us so much why does he let all this bad stuff happen to us? Well no one really KNOWS why God does anything, but personally I don't think it is God. He was here... we banished him... he cursed us with death and pain... he returned and we rejected him... but he'll come back to reclaim those that kept the faith. To take back what was once his. I believe. 010725 ... kx21 Tell me what is the shape of string between Being and God... And I will tell you how wonder you are... 010725 ... Rufus the 13th Apostle What He really hates is the shit that gets carried out in his name. Wars. Bigotry. Televangelism 010727 ... god in milwaukee i got the money jesus owes ya. 010728 ... Weed Eater It's funny... I've noticed something peculiar about some of the _____ blatherers here. It seems every time someone brings up a decent, well thought out, intelligent, poetic or otherwise beautiful thought, those, and they are the same ones throughout blather, the "geeks" if you will, they immediately type some nonsensical, irrelevant, incoherent, unrelated form of jibbering blather_pollution as if it is some kind of reply. Kind of like those people that, when you are telling them something they don't want to hear, they cover their ears, close their eyes and scream, "I can't hear you blah blah blah blah..." If only I could reach through the computer and slap these blasphemers, but I guess this intellectual spanking will do for now. If it continues I shall line you up, disclose your names and unleash my cunning wit upon you unitl you....cry...yes until you cry! 010804 ... god what you just wrote was the worst blather pollution i ever experience. 010804 ... The entire world speaking in unison heh, if that's the worst blather pollution you've ever "experience" then you must not be reading your own posts. 010804 ... god hey, i am new to your country and cannot read or write your, how you say, "language" very well. i am also retarded. by the way, i'd like to buy you a coke. 010804 ... Nathan Solla Father I adore you Lay my life you before How I Love in Christ the Lord. ===================== I love you lord And I lift my voice to worship you Oh my soul rejoice Take pride my lord in what you hear let it be the sweet, sweet sweet sound In you ear. 010804 ... god ok 010804 ... The Truth Its no use Weed Eater, I think it's an endless cycle. It's just because he wants to be the last one to post on the page for some reason. Probably due to some delusions of granduer. 010804 ... distilled mouse the_up_decide 010805 ... god aka distilled mouse i call myself god, and you think i have delusions of grandeur? hmmmmm. mystery_of_the_retarded_nun 010805 ... jillian god made pot man made beer...who do u trust? 010807 ... kingsuperspecial god also made cancer. hey, you like to smoke pot, good for you. knock yourself out. Me? I'm going to dive into this bag of nutter butters. 010807 ... not god nutter_butters... do they exist? 010807 ... me I'm not sure what to say here. A lot of people who blather about God seem really angry and defensive. I don't feel that way. I have no reason to. I used to wonder if God existed, but now I know that He always has, and always will. I see the good He has done, and the bad that He has prevented, every day. He takes my hand, leading me through life. He fills my heart with the peace which the world cannot give. He is at my side when everyone else has deserted me. He loves me when no one else does. At night I kneel in the dark, with tears of joy running down my face, as I talk with Him and hear His voice in return. He has filled that empty spot in my life that nothing else could fill. I am happy, and I do want to share my happiness with others. But I do not want to contradict anyone else's beliefs or argue with anyone. It is not my right to judge other people. I will never say that one person's religion or beliefs is right and another's is wrong. That is not for me to say. I struggle and mess up just as much as the next person. But I do have a Friend who is always there to guide me each step of the way. I want to introduce everyone to this Friend, but everyone has to choose their own path. No one can do it for them. (Amen. Just kidding :) 010814 ... me Hey, just to let everyone know, I have only blathered two other times under the e-mail address I used on this site. It would appear that someone else is also using my e-mail address... 010814 ... Laura G-d comes to me through perfection in the air, when warmth consumes my every doubt and fills me, He is there. G-d is in the tiny magical things that once in a while make me cry over the innocence I have lost and the hope I have found, He is there too. G-d makes his presence known when I am with you, your faith brings me closer to him then I have ever been before, with you G-d doesn't find me, I find him. 010822 ... chocolate bootay Humans worship. God is greatest. Jesus is alive. ..sometimes I hate this truth. ..or that I know it. ..why oh why oh why cant God take my life. Ive never given so much as an entire life. Why would God want my life? Why would He give His? pretty awesome.. heh..-too selfish. 010823 ... chocolate bootay ..or just selfish 010823 ... sykoze Gott ist tot. -Nietzsche Seems the only revelant god now is the maniacal faith instilled in the masses of contemporary society through the delusional, hysterical obsession towards monetary and material growth, with total disregard to nature and even fellow human beings, resulting in a giant amorphous monoculture as all cultural pursuits that would have been utilized for more worthy causes become infected with the virus of coporate consumerism. Exempli Gratii: the prayer of jabez 010902 ... athsara SUCH MUSIC = our goddess = all beauty shown = a vast story = our god = all truth told = twain-ness = WE, thus abandoned to FEEL = every varied movement/thought which WE make towards OUR death = my betrayed OneLove who would kill ME swiftly in mercy, would WE allow it... Oh Despair, I know not how!! SWEETHEART, THEE!! TAKE ME BACK, NOW!! 010907 ... fer10nand God :died: a week ago & when she :got: in the Sky, who did greet her ? 011007 ... god a bunch of hawaiians with leis 011007 ... haky if I was god I would have proven that I exist 011009 ... dodgy ...in a flat on the sea shore in a lonely grey town at night - when the frost came down and the streets were harsh grey. we sat my friend and me in a living room - drinking coffee, taking drugs and talking philosophy, i claimed to know 'God.' jimi played away on the guitar the notes rising and falling in my head like the waves on the seashore where dylan wrote his first and his last lines...just outside the window...the city buzzed and police cars drove past and the people in the clubs and bars getting drunk and stoned and playin the age old game, just 1/2 a mile away looked for something in the drink, and in the music, and in the drugs and in eachother - and i looked too - together we all searched - alone - in a room full of people...i laughed a fake, plastic laugh - it wasn't even funny - the spit dried on the back of my throat and my guts wrenched...James brought me orange juice but it tasted funny, sour, my legs began to shake, or was it my eyes, then my head, and my whole body twitched, every nerve responded multiple times as i touched things...i lost balance and unseen, unheard things dropped down on me...in terror i fell to the floor, attacked, defeated by an unseen enemy, in my head, in my stomach, paranoia gripped me - sheer terror - life passed before me - a yawning grey mass - a precipice - vanity - meaningless - pointless - i was a civilised monkey - in levis, i took drugs and spoke philosophy but i was darwin's monkey...where are you God? in all my pain, in all my suffering...where are you God? How can i say I believe you exist when i cant see you exist, I cant feel you existing? I stumbled on the road in the dark, leaning on my friends shoulder, too much, the fuzz drive past sirens racing - i am struck by paranoia - i think about the river behind me, dark, cold, death, like eternity, somehow welcoming - i can't be this way forever - if i turn left i end it, if i turn right i go on, somehow, i must go on...my head pounding my heart racing, the street shaking, terrible thoughts in my head, i put my feet to the street, my friend at shoulder, and turned right - and walked into the city... 011010 ... dodgy ...that first night and for weeks afterward i could not sleep. the most i got was a few hours - i would shut my eyes to sleep - exhausted at 3am in the morning - but would be too afraid to let go - i would imagine a vastness inside my head - a huge vacuum of nonsense and nothingness that is indescribable - my own mind played tricks on me; and drove me to the edge - my heartbeat would thunder in my head, keeping me awake - my ears would whistle and just as i would drop off - i would feel my eyes roll back in my head - the image of death and wake up again - even when i slept there was some part of me awake inside, screaming to get out - and i would have terrible dreams. I dreamt that i was standing in a darkened room - alone - to my right was a crack of light through a slightly ajar door - and then i looked ahead of me to see the devil himself staring into my eyes - who looked like a man - and he touched me upon my side - claiming me - and i woke to find my side cold. I would sleep an hour in a night and wake in cold sweats to find my arms 'felt' as though they were on back to front...i was slipping into madness - my own mind attacked me in its thoughts and actions - it doubted not just God, and truth, but life itself - am I real? Is this all real? does it mean anything at all? whats the point? do we exist? one night i sat in my living room watching television. there was indian music on winding and wailing away - i tapped my foot and listened - suddenly the music was seeping into the living room in my mind - my whole vision began to fade and shake again - i had to get away - looking in the mirror i saw my pupils dilated and swelling like i was high but i hadn't touched anything for months - i placed my dog on a lead a good excuse for wandering around in the dead of night and left the house - down the road to the lane that leads to the woods - it was dark and cold - but i felt nothing but fear of that which was in me, whatever caused me to feel as i did...how was i to go on like this...? the wind blew down off the hills through my thin jacket and the dog pulled on the leash - i was enveloped by darkness - it hid my face and my shame - desperation gripped me - i knew there was nothing for me on earth - there was no doctor that could heal me, no psychologist that could help me, no drug that could restrain me, nothing in all the earth to help me - it was all in vain - there was one hope and one hope alone. that hope was that if there was a God, and not only this - that he cared enough to reach down, into my life and change me, heal me, give me my life back, give me hope - that was the last hope the last refuge of the scoundrel. The best refuge. my life was before me, what did i know of God, sunday school, the bible, prayer - we're supposed to pray to him - but what if he doesn't exist? aren't i just wasteing my time? what if he does exist but he doesn't give a lot for me..? what if id blown my last chance...wasted all my get-out-jail-free cards, been too bad. what if...then i prayed...walking through the woods in the dark, in desperation, in the humility that comes from weakness (we all will get there one day) i layed aside all my questions and raised my voice in the darkness, 'Jesus Christ, the bible says you are the light of the world, if this is true, will you shine a light for me and show me the way out...heal me, set me free Lord, please...' I repeated...the hope not rising in my heart...i began to despair again...nothing happenned...then i got to the bottom of the hill that leads to home and stepped up onto the pavement in the dim light and looked up the hill...in shock i stopped...ahead of me resting on the brow of the hill was the moon - low in the sky and hanging on the horizon and calling me toward it...chills ran down my spine...what the heck...? Can God really be real..? Despite all the questions does he really exist, does he really care...? Is his name really Jesus...? who everyone mocks so much..? I walked on my head still pounding...heart in my mouth...i walked toward the light...and in 5 i found myself at my parents house. i knocked on the door - and my dad came to let me in. he asked me if i was ok. I hesitated - my shame rising again - but desperation won - i told him - and he took me to the lounge - where i collapsed on the floor - he placed his hands on me and prayed - fear in his voice...and then we went upstairs and my mother awoke...she made me sit down and prayed again...all the time my head said...'tell her not too bother...God doesn't care for you...You're going to hell...and in the same sentence...God doesn't exist...he has left you...' They kept praying. Eventually i calmed down and went to bed. In front of the bed was a small shelf and a bible. I reached out and flicked it open lying on my bed. I didn't know what to think. It opened on Psalm 22. 'My God, My God why have you forsaken me? Why are you so far from saving me...?' Reading through the suffering, fear, pain and desperation in the psalm - i felt a connection - then i thought about who wrote it - King David of Israel - thousands of yrs before Jesus - and I remembered then Jesus' words on the cross, in the new testement, 'My God, My God why have you forsaken me?' eaxctly the same. And all of a sudden I knew this was a prophecy - made by a King of Isreal many yrs before Jesus was born about a man - who was God -who would die to save the world - and all creation would bow down to him. In shock i quietened my soul. Then I prayed with the psalm. God if you heal me, I will 'declare your name to my brothers, in the congregation i will praise you.' With that i turned the light out and fell asleep. My friends/brothers/sisters/even enemies - this testimony is true - and i declare to you now that the prayer I just wrote was answered - and the proof of that is that I type here now to each one of you - declaring the name of my God - the only God - who is mighty to save - who is like noone else - and declaring his praise - for he did heal me - he did give me my life back - and he can do the same for anybody -who is humble enough to come to him in all there brokeness - put aside there questions and ask him - we are his people - let him be God. This is not about religion, or rules, or laws this is about a relationship with a person - the Living God. If you come to Him with an open mind - and ask him to take away your blindness - and if you put your trust in him - you will not be disapointed. 011012 ... petit potiron I am so tired, but I cannot sleep. I plan but you always direct. From my mother?s womb I Have been cast upon you; If this is how you love me, I do not understand How anyone could want an eternity. Eloi, Eloi, lama sabachthani -- Or perhaps just leave me alone. 011013 ... god dumb all over, a little ugly on the side. 011013 ... petit potiron That sounds like God's recipe for humanity, doesn't it? 011016 ... KammeO Everything and nothing at all, all at once.....Love. 011019 ... tonya he's got a cat named tonya. no, wait a minute, i'm tonya. maybe i have a cat named god oy, is this confusing oh yeah...i'm the cat. whew. nevermind 011019 ... it is not dying jib 011022 ... i am telltale 011022 ... kx21 A spice of Human_Rights_and_Terrorist_acts... 011023 ... kx21 A spice of Human_Rights and Terrorist_acts... 011023 ... Alexander Beetle 1. The Creator of Creation; an impossible being who exists all the same, just to piss you off. 2. A doody-headed blathererer. 011029 ... Crespi If I cast down my children into hell, and watch them burn. I am no better than the devil himself. ~GOD 011030 ... god exactly 011030 ... . : * p s y b o r g * : . If there was a God and if I believed in it, it would be female or an it. I guess you could call me a feminist, but I don't look like most people's mental image of one. Anyway, I like guys fine, I just wouldn't want to worship one. I think it's sexist against women. I like females better than males anyway. 011101 ... god i'm a guy, but i'm also everything 011101 ... god including, of course, female AND doody-headed 011101 ... cranky bird so, she replaces one brand of sexism for another... ...then what's the point of writing something off as sexist? sometimes i think it's more about agendas than genders 011101 ... Dafremen It's about selfish minds. See also: DAFFY (- see what I mean? That sneaky, vain, lil bastage GOT me again! Cuuute!) : ) 011101 ... KammeO How you know that is "you" in the mirror. Where "you" begin and end. How "you" are possible. Love. 011106 ... ares i do not disbelieve or believe in god what riles me is religion. all of it. i believe that religion is one of the biggest causes or suffering in the world, whether today or in the past if god exists, i hope he or she or it or whatever has the presence of mind (or whatever) to tell all the religions to fuck off and let everybody get on with their lives maybe without religion people will have less ground to stand on when they claim they are killing god's enemies 011110 ... god right on! religion is a waste of time. it's just stupid. did i stutter? no!!! do something worthwhile for christ's sake! you don't need a church. the entire universe is where i live. right on! 011110 ... Mike Bog is the energy that everything is made up of, and needs to survive. It is not a gender, it is beyond that. Gender is a human category that Bog couldn't possibly fit in to. Bog is personified as a man, or a woman, or a group of men and women, and this is neither correct or incorrect. Is it not easier to classify what we don't understand so that it may benefit us. 011110 ... kx21 The most controversial String in the Universe(s)... 011110 ... kx21 The most controversial String in the Universe(s)... 011110 ... kx21 A Victim of World_War_Three? 011111 ... luke So you don't believe in God. Let me ask you this: do you think He cares? My friend tells me that "There is a God. And He is fun". I like that. Whatever. I'll tell you what is fun though. All those people who don't believe in God because they were so quick to believe in Nietzsche. That really cracks me up. 011114 ... god yeh. what losers 011114 ... Shinji16 Do you love me? 011116 ... god what, now that you can dance? (course i do... you can mashed potato and do the twist) 011116 ... ClairE People who go by the moniker "god" often have the mostly comfortably witty things to say, a beer-belly humor. I'm too high-strung. 011126 ... Adam in bitter about the state of the world mode Is there anything more ambiguous? God is either your best friend/worst enemy or an etheral figure that none of us can ever hope to understand. But do we in today's society of technoligy and science need God? Do we need anything besides our pointless jobs, our inane whining about life's "unfairness," our StarBucks, our sex, our drugs, our petty wants... the list never ends- but where does God fit into this equation? Maybe if we give up on the idea of this all-powerful deity and concentrate on the innate spirituality that is buried somewhere deep inside all of us, we can stop wasting our lives fretting over such useless things and work on bettering ourselves and those around us. Or something like that... 011128 ... ClairE god seems to like goats. 011128 ... roomite... to the pacifist, God is a loving being - kind to children and fuzzy animals. to the activist God is just and willing to punish those who oppose the cause de jour. change your perspective and God changes with you... 011130 ... god goats are hot! 011201 ... jp21 John 3:16 011201 ... kx21 g36) The Fairness of God Given One's reasonableness is other's unreasonableness Is god the only resonable Entity in the Universe? Specifically, is God Fair to human beings, especially You? Justify your answer for the sake of blatherer(s)... 011202 ... kx21 g36) The Fairness of God Given One's reasonableness is other's unreasonableness Is god the only resonable Entity in the Universe? Specifically, is God Fair to human beings, especially You? Justify your answer for the sake of blatherer(s)... 011202 ... kx21 g37) Order & Chaos why did God put both Order & Chaos in the universe? - To Spark, Stimulate & Stretch the Creativity of fellow Human Beings - To Explore, Experiment, Examine the actions & reactions of one of his billions Billions creations- Human Creature - To predict, plot, prove his M-theory, - Others? Copyright 2001 kx21.com 011212 ... kx21 g37) Order & Chaos why did God put both Order & Chaos in the universe? - To Spark, Stimulate & Stretch the Creativity of fellow Human Beings - To Explore, Experiment, Examine the actions & reactions of one of his billions Billions creations- Human Creature - To predict, plot, prove his M_theory, - Others? Copyright 2001 kx21.com 011212 ... kx21 God is not as inconceivable as Nothing? 011217 ... kx21 g38) God & Nothing Which of the following is True: God created ' Nothing ' or God Pops up from ' Nothing '? 011217 ... kx21 g38) God & Nothing Which of the following is True: God created ' Nothing ' or God Pops up from ' Nothing '? 011217 ... kx21 g38) God & Nothing Which of the following is True: God created ' Nothing ' or God Pops up from ' Nothing '? 011217 ... kx21 g38) God & Nothing Which of the following is True: God created ' Nothing ' or God Pops up from ' Nothing '? 011217 ... living dead girl God is in the T.V. turn him on... you never wanna turn him off... he hypnotizes you and seduces you into his world... he fucks with your mind and causes you to think about things you wouldn't regularly think about... things you don't have to think about, things that are not worth thinking about. god is a waste of time, just like t.v. is... the only difference between the two is that you can touch a t.v... but you'll never touch god. 011231 ... god only thing better than a goat is a good midget, i always say 020101 ... Miffey It makes sense that there might be a god. But the bible doesn't make sense. As a matter of fact it doesn't even make sense that our (as a society) violence prone, crack-addled little brains could even comprehend something that could create something that worked so well together that is the cosmic machine. So we (as worldy societies) will continue to see that it would be a very astronomical (maybe?) chance that all this could have come by accident, and we'll continue to try to label everything and put it in alphabetical order in little jars on the shelf. God is inside you, folks. Whatever his (her, it's?) name is. Just open yourself, and do what you feel is right. It all works out in end. Good and evil, right and wrong. The enternal struggle, but only becuase we're human. Not becuase we're puppets... Does that make sense? Yeah, I know. Neither does the Bible. 020102 ... kx21 g39) Causality & God God is a logical string of causality for satisfying the curiosity of Human being... 020102 ... kx21 g40) Bubbles of Religion Hell, Heaven, etc. The Biggest Bubble: God? 020105 ... lexian too many people want god want to know it want to own it want to give it to everyone want to bind it to themself so god did what god should god left 020106 ... kx21 g41) God & M_theory God in Religion is as to M_theory / TOE(s) in Science... 020106 ... Sarah YOUR GOD IS DEAD AND NO ONE CARES 020113 ... kx21 g42) God's Creation Given God's Very Words & that 'Evil' is probably not a sensible / desirable stuff / Spice originated from God... What are the types of Stuff in the universe / nature which are actually created / designed by God? a) Nothing / Space b) Chaos / The Big Bang from 'Nothing' c) Order / The Laws or M-theory of Nature d) Light / Spectrum e) Fire / Temperature f) Charge / Spark g) Soul / Conciousness h) Energy / Matter i) Strings / Particles j) Something else (please specify) Any good_point(s) or References? 020120 ... dodgy Jesus claimed to be God. Jesus hung out with sinners, he loved them. He healed the sick and helped out prostitutes, he instructed thieves and aided the poor. Jesus offended most of the leaders of the day because he was too radical. he was doing miracles and people were afraid that he was to lead a rebellion of the people against the rulers. many of these leaders were the respected religious leaders of the day. He gave sight to the blind, forgave the wicked, looked after the sick, and the old and preached good news to the poor. people did not understand him or his ways including his first disciples. jesus was crucified by the romans as recorded in history. the disciples and early church fathers claimed that he rose from the dead after three days - proving that was God, that he could save any who would put their faith in him and turn from their wasting - and bring them into not only fulness of life here on earth - but endless pleasures in heaven. jesus was the most radical teacher ever- - he taught not just outward change but a change of the heart - the coming of a kingdom of justice where the cries of the poor, and broken and lonely would be heard - where there would be no more pain - tears - he claimed that he was going to bring in after a time this kingdom and that it was down to men to choose whether they wanted in or out. the person of jesus has had the greatest effect upon human history then any other man. but the fact is - he also claimed to be God. not everybody who sits in a pew or who wields the name of Jesus is christian. jesus said that it is by their fruit we should know them. a christians fruit should be that they follow in christ's footsteps - a life of love and self-sacrifice. do not judge christ by christians. "If a man is offered a fact which goes against his instincts, he will scrutinize it closely, and unless the evidence is overwhelming, he will refuse to believe it. If, on the other hand, he is offered something which affords a reason for acting in accordance to his instincts, he will accept it even on the slightest evidence." Do you not believe in God because you feel he would ask you to give up things in your life that you cannot afford to? If I know anything about God it is this. He seeks what is best for us - to give us real, lasting joy - and peace and love which cannot be found anywhere else, in my experience but in that enigma of a person - jesus. there is a pit in front of us that none of us can cross - it is the judgement of a good God who must judge bad in the world - otherwise he would cease to be good - but he has provided a way for us to return to his heart of love - to fulness of joy - to real life - to meaningful existence - that way is through Jesus. GOD LOVES US INTIMATELY. WHATEVER PEOPLE MAY SAY. 020121 ... lost please dear god take me in your arms take my depression and the confused memories and regrets, wrong turns taken, pain and misfortune off my mind until I can cope without hurting so very much please help me face each day with a calm attitude of faith and trust please take the people that can do me harm to a distance where they can no longer hurt me please help me find peace and understand when to be patient and when to act please help me guide my daughter and show her that I love her and teach her how to succeed in life and the correct view to take when to let go and when to endure please help me find my place in the world and the people I belong with please help me forgive myself and learn to live again 020121 ... Gerald It never ceases to amaze me that if you talk to you god, it's a prayer, but if god talks back, it's a mental illness. 020124 ... god crazy shit, ain't it? 020125 ... kx21 What is the most amazing stuff or Spice created / designed by God? 020126 ... kx21 Nosense? 020127 ... kx21 g43) Correlation between SEX & God... i0b) Given:- Searched the web for SEX. Results 1 - 10 of about 74,300,000. Searched the web for God. Results 1 - 10 of about 31,400,000.) What is the correlation or appropriate relationship between SEX & God? Specifically, God is slightly less than Half of SEX? 020206 ... Cocamunja God does have a say in things, not on your terms. when i'm depressed and angry and empty and tortured and full of hate and stop caring and only want to die... you send your vision of me, dancing with you, with bright eyes a shining body and ecstatic joy, I'm dancing with you,you send your vision of me dancing with you through the eyes of my friend, you're amazing. Love from Andrew (try not to wait until the brink next time k?) 020207 ... Mateo Anything you can do I can do better. 020214 ... tyler god smoked the last cigarrete in the pack, gave me the cardboard box, and said, "i love you, and i will always love you" with blood on his face, smiling, god is beautiful 020216 ... Mateo Id work him over whith a tooth brush till hes sorry he ever created me, the fucking idiot. 020219 ... beorn i just had this idea, i am not saying we should not believe in god so much but that we jsut need to believe in ourselfs more than anything else ... what do ya think? ... please let me know i am looking for answers 020323 ... kx21 g44) A M_question: Why_didn't_god_eradicate_all_the_sins_and_evils? 020323 ... god cuz i'm a dumbass. beorn is onto something. or on something. i don't know which 020323 ... jane GOD IS DEAD -NIETZSCHE NIETZSCHE IS DEAD -GOD ... 020325 ... iheartyou know what?? IHEARTGOD. And I hope you know Heheartsyou too. 020404 ... phil Dear God, what is a soul? 020422 ... phil Dear God, what is a soul? 020422 ... phil Dear God, what is a soul? 020422 ... god a soul is what prompts you to ask these questions 020422 ... god where's my cufflinks? 020425 ... kx21 g45) Soul & God Soul: The logical, emotional & spiritual String to God, the creator of Cosmos... M_Question: Is Soul physical? Any Good_point or Q_As? 020426 ... god everything is made of something, therefore, everything is physical. 020427 ... phil you don't own any cufflinks. 020427 ... god that's right. 020428 ... Id If God is all-knowing then God knows all the music that has ever been performed. If God is all-knowing God also knows how to make compact discs. Therefore, God might have a massive music collection of all the music that has ever been played on Earth. Can you imagine that? If you go to Heaven (whatever it is) you can "walk" up to that music collection, select "aulos & harp music of Periclean Athens" and groove to pre-Socratic music. Isn't that remarkable? You could select another C.D. of Plato's favourite melodies and read the liner notes about all the music's background. You could also spend your whole "day" digging the beats of pre-historic tribal music. Maybe all this is in the akashic records? 020503 ... Id Maybe God is just a big ol' tough wrestler in the WWF and he just likes chill. Maybe heaven is one big wrestling ring? Maybe I'm just wierd and people might take offence to this. But God did create Hollywood Hulk Hogan and that was righteous of him. Seriously, I AM truly grateful for that!I do believe in God and I do thank Him for life everyday. God kept me off the streets. Hogan rocks! 020503 ... thirdeyeblinder i think that religion is far too concerned with dogma. Creed should be helping people, not sitting around praying. People need to go out and do things, not just sit there and pray and hope it all turns out all right. Also, i agree that god is a manifestation of human fear and need, and people should start living their lives instead of trying to prepare for their deaths. 020618 ... god i'm gonna pound the great kabuki with a folding chair! 020619 ... cube are you trying to make a point? ³ 020620 ... god beats me. 020620 ... pleading child i want to believe in god. i can't, though, because he isn't there. my family assures me he is, but i haven't seen him yet. i haven't found god yet. i don't know if god exists, but right now i'm betting he's a footnote in a history book. i am my own god. me, myself, and fate. i am ok with that. 020703 ... jessemo god is spirit.. that spirit is love... love is truth... patience... peace... love... and happyness... these are fruits of the spirit of God. God is spirit... God is here... God is speaking to us... but only few choose to here... God is perfect... Holy and sweet... God is my friend... at leaste i like to believe... 020729 ... saehn have you ever noticed how many pro-god posts include excessive misspellings? this is no coincidence, folks. smoke and mirrors... santa claus for "grown-ups". 020808 ... Abstraction Im in heaven Im a god Im everything that i am not 020813 ... god space mountain, baby, woo! 020813 ... Sensory can he make a square circle? 021011 ... god there is an american dream dusty rhodes in my eye oh no! there is an iron sheik in my eye oh no! there is a mouth of the south jimmy hart in my eye oh no! there is a leaping lanny poffo in my eye oh no! 021013 ... minnesota_chris You definitely know your 80's wrestlers! How about the Honky Tonk Man! 021014 ... god hell yas. remember the mulkeys or the ding-dongs? good times... 021014 ... paste! there is a superfly jimmy snuka in your eye oh yes! there is a george the animal steele in your eye oh yes! 021014 ... minnesota_chris not the SUPERPLEX!! 021016 ... J.K.R. Some modern authors like to insist that WE are God. Even if this is true we must be careful and vigilent about whatever presumptiousness this may lead to. Even if it is true, then we can only be PARTS of God; and logic dictates that each part is NOT equal to, and thus cannot describe the WHOLE! Logic also dictates that each "part" (each of us) did not wake up in the morning and create planet Earth! Furthermore, if we are God and we strive to be near God, then we strive to be near to ourselves, and we are already "near" to ourselves in that we are who we are! There can be no cogency to the claim that we are God, unless we claim to be lowly, humble parts of a glorious Whole! In this latter case, or in the traditional case that we are CREATIONS, we must necessarily learn of and study God through the writings of those who walked with "Him": St.Augustine, Tielhard de Chardin, Thomas Aquinas, Plato, Plotinus, Moses Maimonides, the Talmudic Sages, the Unity Fellowship Authors, Siddartha Buddha, Patanjali and a thousand other wise folk with fruits to feed our souls! Only by READING, only LEARNING, only by THINKING and QUESTIONING can we learn anything about God or about any other subject. Beware of "tranquilizers" (i.e. Pop Culture, Peer Pressure, Junk Foods) that stop you THINKING! 021114 ... kori bologna 021203 ... Reverend Lough is god a myth.....i think not. christians say god exists within us...the "faithful". if this is true, then i am god. goddamn, it's a wonderful feeling. 021214 ... Plastic Jesus Staring into the darkness, looking for reasons to flee, thinking of nothing but hatred, looking for a light where none is to be seen, I tire of this search, a search of the soul it seems, did I miss something in this life, it seems to deal me so much strife, living life day by day, refusing to sell my soul like the slaves, There is no god for me to see, only a thirst for knowledge is what I crave, stuck in this dark dark place, I only seem to despise this race, never knowing why or how, just knowing it's the truth for me now, my soul fading slowly every day, searching my soul for the right words to say, never finding what it is I seek, the only thing I feel anymore is weak. 021226 ... zander the bible says everyone has a free will, right? But it also says god knows everything and can see into the future right? how can you have free will if god already knows what you`re going to do? 030101 ... zander The bible says we all have free will right? it also says god knows in advance what we`re going to do right? So how can we have free will if god can tell exactly what we`re going to do? 030101 ... scuzz The first step there is to read the Bible. God knows everything about every person, regardless of our boundary of "time." A hard concept to grasp is that He's beyond time. He gave us free will so that we may choose Him over all the crap we get ourselves into everyday. Of course He knows what we'll do, but He won't force us to choose; He leaves that up to us. Please, don't sit and ponder all the little supposed "loopholes" of the Bible. Read it. 030101 ... minnesota_chris zander: isn't it cool? It's like watching the movie version of Hamlet, knowing they're all going to get stabbed or poisoned. 030101 ... Plastic Jesus So you only read that one book to base your life upon it's existence? Damn man try reading Lord of The Rings set, make sure you get The Hobbit too so you can read a better story. Maybe even the Dragon Lance series at least those people had better imaginations and writting ability. (at least most of the authors anyways)... 030102 ... Plastic Jesus sidenote: I'd rather waste the 10 minutes spent in line to get a Chili Dog 030102 ... x "please don't sit and ponder the supposed loopholes" =have faith my question is, if we're supposed to use logic for everything else in life, why do we suppress it for religion? my answer is, because religion makes no sense. people need to believe answers that don't make sense becausee they can't figure out the real answers. over time we've been elucidating many things in the world, all but the question of "why are we alive?". 030102 ... not god i am god 030102 ... one in a million me How about an original thought here. Anyone? 030103 ... god how 'bout a bowl of "gourd bursts"? 030104 ... sleepwalk hey zander, if you really wanted to hear it, i could list a ton of ways the bible contradicts itself 030105 ... michelle j god hates me ....... 030120 ... phil am I not good enough for you ! 030120 ... kx21 Scent of Nothing... 030120 ... margadant11 God is over rated 030121 ... kx21 Shadow of Everything... 030121 ... god i don't really hate you. i am just ... uhhhhh... i forgot what i was going to say. 030121 ... nore i believe in God. 030127 ... screwing fro virginity rather god exsists or not (i personally think the does) is a mute point because the mere thought of god has helped (and hurt/killed) a countless number of people. to take an example from the douglas_adams book the_salmon_of_doubt, in the 60's or 70's there were a group of people from america who wanted to help some some village in some 3rd world country by increasing its rice crop. they went to the country where they have been growing rice the same way for hundreds or thousands of years because they thought that is how their gods wanted them to grow it. they planted at the time their gods told them to, used the tools their gods told them to, and used the techneques (sp?) their gods told them to. then the americans come in with fertilizers, pestisides, a few trackers, and taught them a more modern way to farm. the small village got a huge increase in rice. it has much less hunger and it can even sell some off to make more money. well, this lasted for 2 or 3 years until the neutriants in the soil were used up by the large harvests, and they had a verry poor crop. see, even though their old method (which was used because thats what the gods wanted them to use) seemed less efective over the span of a few crops, over long term it was better because it replaced all lost neutriens so that they had at least a moderate amount or rice every year. how does this relate to god you might ask. if they didnt have such a strong faith in their gods then they would have used a "more effective" method years before that, and would have gone hungry due to the soil becoming sour (even though they probably would have seen it as a bad harvest because they offended the gods by using a different method.) so even if you dont believe in god or gods, you must admit that these people's belief has saved their lives for manny years because of natural or devine processess. 030127 ... god yeh, i've done a lot of shit 030127 ... theonegodforgot man invinted god so that he wouldnt feel alone. 030203 ... frost 666 God did not create man in his image. Man created God in there image. Though out time man has had man diffrent images of God. From the Romans, Greeks, Christians, Jews, Muslams, Buddist, hundus, and so on and so forth. Why in the hell can you say that god created man in his image when all the signs point in the other direction. Just look back though history. 030205 ... 666 Judus is the true leader of the Vampires 030205 ... darwin is your god i always thought that god had a plan for me. but now i know this is not true. no being with any worth of self pity would put me through this every day. face the fact, GOD DOES NOT EXIST, and if he does exist, he is a fucking asshole. if he is so powerfull and all mighty, then why in the fuck cant he answer back? why, is to good to answer back? is he too important to talk back to people? fuck that, the reason he doesnt talk back when you pray to his ass is because he doesnt exist, you are praying into thin air. face, people made god so that they would feel so alone. you have no proof of his existance. what, the bible? shit, let me go write some book, bury it the dirt for 2000 years, and let those poor bastards read it and make me their god . .. . your worthless people. 030210 ... -Shelly- "God" was created by the Christian religion, and kept alive in the heads of the weak who feel 'safer' by thinking that someone or something is 'watching over' them. Their only security on this scary planet. 030218 ... cube What kind of flawed logic is that? How about this one: "God" is ignored by the weak who think that by sticking their heads in the sand they will 'avoid' final judgement. Did I get the format right? ³ 030218 ... -Shelly- I love how fired up and pissed off people get about this subject. Its sorta like abortion. The day any Christian can give me solid proof God exsists besides the Bible... then Ill eat my words. I refuse to believe a book of 'the word of god' which could have easily been written by a bunch of drunk guys around a campfire. "I had this dream last night..." There is no Final Judgement. After life theres death. Thats all. Deal. 030219 ... Diamond Not necissarily Christians... any being of religious nature who believes in a higher being - in my opinion. I dont believe in God, or any god or higher power, but I respect people who do, and Im always curious to know what fuels their continuous belief. :) 030224 ... DevilsLyric They beleive him to be a perfect being. One that is greater then a human. All the secrets are easily answered through death. But they hold us back from finding the truth to death. Which is far more complex. 030308 ... jester ....................................... .............888888888888.............. ..........888888..88..888888........... ........8888......88......8888......... .......8888.......88.......8888........ .......8888.....888888.....8888........ .......8888...88..88..898...8888........ ........888888....88.....88888......... ..........88888...88...88888........... .............888888888888.............. ....................................... 030321 ... jester _____________888888888888______________ ________888888888_88_888888888_________ ______8888888_____88_____8888888_______ _____8888888______88______8888888______ _____8888888____888888____8888888______ _____8888888__88__88__88__8888888______ ______88888888____88____88888888_______ ________888888888_88_888888888_________ _____________8888888888888_____________ _______________________________________ 030325 ... phil the big signature on the left hand side of this whole thang. 030327 ... scary i just recently found the website of a man who seriously thinks he is god. My friend had a teacher who has a mastery degree in phsycology read it and he concluded that the man was in his early to late twenties and really thought this was real. You should check it out. He is obsessed with a woman from "Farmington" named Sarah Baker. He claims she is a princess. He has a lot of "facts" to back up this whole thing. Its hard to find the cite but when i get it i'll come back and give it to ya 030425 ... weird http://www.geocities.com/cdbowman1/april2003.htm 030425 ... simbelmyne ...One of the first blathers he read. He was genuinely surprised at the bitterness in the words. "Not even a single one? Not even a single one simple enough, or even stupid enough, to just simply believe in God? The stupidest of faith are greater geniuses that Einstein. Stephen Hawking doesn't know what he's talking about because he doesn't believe in God." He thought. But he knew it couldn't last long or spread too far. This world is too beautiful a place. 030428 ... me diamond i'm a believer and what fuels our continuous belief? hell i don't know, you just KNOW...answered prayers...when touched by angels it feels good...when touched by the devil it feels not so good...God is good...when you invite His presence you will see, but if you do not invite Him, then of course you will not see...you will only see what the accursed sonofabitch devil wants you to see...you see? Einstein could see, & as far as I can tell, no-one on this page, not even Hawkins, is more intelligent than Einstein. Oh, except God of course. 030624 ... me diamond I am a believer and what fuels our contiuous belief…hell I don’t know, you just KNOW…answered prayers…when touched by angels it feels good…when touched by the devil it feels not so good…if you invite God’s presence into your life you will see…if you don’t invite God into your life, you will not see…you see? God is good…Einstein could see…and as far as I can tell no-one on this page is more intelligent than Einstein. Oh, except for God of course. 030624 ... god where's the beef? 030624 ... david My God Loves me your god doesn't exist 030628 ... UnforgiveableSins I found Jesus on the corner-- he was beaten and battered and wrapped in tin foil. I looked him in the eyes and saw a lost man among a vessel drained of life. He blinked one eye and never averted the gaze, seemingly lost among the filmy haze. I asked him to speak his name, he said. "Gimme another boss...I'm feelin weak..." Then I shot him in the head. 030628 ... god smother it in tico-tico 030628 ... A Viking In Peru I find it amusing that there is such a long list of replies to a word that defines something non-existant. 030701 ... Fire&Roses Visit... dogma... see the movie. It's good. 030708 ... Card It's all your fault. Asshole. 030710 ... A Viking In Peru My apologies, what I meant to say was, something had to have created us. Why not call it God for now? Please excuse my ignorance. I am slowly being turned into a puppet. 030710 ... the game Fairly certain God's last name is McMahon. Just me, maybe... 030711 ... xo "I refuse to believe a book of 'the word of god' which could have easily been written by a bunch of drunk guys around a campfire." Haha so you honestly think that a bunch of drunk guys could make a complex book like the bible from scratch and convince thousands of people? The bible is legitimate because LOTS of people wrote it. Archaeologists are still digging up original (separate shock horror) pieces of the scripture today. I wish people who so blatantly dismiss the bible would know their facts. It's fine to say you don't believe in the word of God, but don't try to argue that it wasn't written by a lot of real people sharing experiences that were real to them. He's just waiting for you to give him a chance. And he *Does* answer - sometimes you just need to wait and be patient. 030719 ... A Viking In Peru Wow. That's amazing. I feel extremely proud. I've only been here I don't know how long and I've already been impersonated! Just so you all know, the second comment by 'me', the one that mentions being slowly turned into a puppet, wasn't actually typed by me. 030721 ... MeSsIaH Fuck You For God Says Your a Fucker 030729 ... MeSsIaH Fuck You For God Says Your a Fucker 030729 ... quicksilver21166 Who is your GOD? ASk your self this and you may find the anwser a little harder then you think. MY god is great he is conpasion, he is mercy, he is kindness, he is forgiving, and he is love I know my god. Do you know yours? 030905 ... closet ballerina Two god quotes that appeal to me as an atheist: 1) And jesus was a sailor, when he walked upon the water he spent a long time watching from his lonely wooden tower and when he knew for certain only drowning men could see him, he said, "all men shall be sailors then, until the sea will free them." but he himself was broken long before the sea would open forsaken, almost human, he sank beneath your wisdom like a stone. -leonard cohen 2) When god decided to invent everything he took one breath bigger than a circustent and everything began when man decided to destroy himself he picked the was of shall and finding only why smashed it into because. and the world began 030905 ... baah the one person who hates me yet doesnt exsist. the only "thing" that cant be seen but expects our fath to hold tight. the only one who isnt there for us when we need him, and who expects worship in response. the only one who has been dead forever yet lives forevermore through fairy tales and bullshit theories. 030912 ... Falcon you know, it's interesting that so many of you hear the word god, and immediately think christian. There are quite a few other religions out there, and not all of them are hateful and oppressive. For instance, I doubt there has ever been a buddhist hate crime commited. Furthermore, even if we do restrict the discussion to christianity, so many of you seem to think that all christians are like jerry fallwell. I've personally known enough christians who were great people to know that christianity in and of itself is not the problem, It's people who kill people for being different, not god. And I know it's been said before, but there is no scientific way to prove that god does or does not exist, it's all a matter of faith. Personally I don't care what faith you have, as long as you do have a faith, be it christianity, buddhism, athieism, or whatever. On the subject of how god must hate us because he doesn't stop all the violence in the world, the bible does say that god gave man free will, doesn't it? Free will means choice: the choice between good and evil. If he didn't let people do evil things then we wouldn't really have free will, would we? Well, I've talked enough for now, and I'm tired, so I'll talk to you all later. 030917 ... Simbelmyne Falcon! Liked that one - it was actually different! My faith is Baha'i and I'm extremely proud of it. Do you know why? Cos it makes sense. It actualy makes sense! There is reason on the planet! "The world is but one country, and Mankind its citizens." ; Religion should be the cause of Harmony and unity. Let it not cause enimity and discord. ~The Baha'i Faith 031009 ... exsists Love god so much... Know god's in my life. Love God so much, know he'll help me through pain and strif love God so much, wishing that I was closer to him Love god so much, I wishing I knew how to tell them... I love God very much. And will always try my best to live for him. I care. 031018 ... godlover God rocks! he's everything and Nothing; he might be human invented, but I doubt it. he's the glory and glow in everything that exists. we are inspired because of the world that he created and that he Is. 031101 ... constance God and I used to be kind of close. We loved eachother. He used to wake me up in the morning. I know he did. I'm a heavy sleeper. I would say,"Thanks God...Thanks for another day of breathing. Thanks that my heart is still beating. I love you." I don't talk to God anymore. Not since I came to college. Cigarettes, Vodka,Blacks, Sex, Marijuana. Sorry God...Really. I miss you. 031102 ... emjem love 031102 ... xyz the theory in itself. i can't think of anything that's ever had more power. 031102 ... Ballerchiq It doesn't matter what everyone says, sooner or later you will find the truth, just try to find it b4 it is too late. 031105 ... Chookie God is serious stuff. I mean, if you are in a sinking ship, do you call for your mama? Your cigarettes? Your favorite band? None of the above. Oh, and for the records, Leonard Cohen is on the money. He has seen it all. 031116 ... tyger I believe in Him. But I hate the way the religious right has hijacked everything about God in this country and made it hateful. I am afraid to confess that I am a Christian to others, not because I am afraid they will think I am a prude or be offended, but because I am afraid they will think that I am one of those people who hates gays and condemns unwed mothers and wants to force schoolchildren to pray every morning... Whenever I tell someone that I am a Christian, I always follow it up by saying, "but I'm not one of THOSE Christians" so they will understand that I believe in love, forgiveness, acceptance, charity, personal sacrifice and the forgiveness of sins (and I focus on my own and not those of others) rather than smug superiority. 031117 ... minnesota_chris yeah, it's all the jerk Christians who get in the papers. Nobody really wants to hear it when I agree with them, or hear them out. 031117 ... dont feel like being me today tyger, that brings tears and a smile. (the tears being the good kind that show up when i see true friggin' beauty in human beings.) my hat's off to you. 031117 ... fuckthis what god is is irrelevanmt he doesnt contribute tyo ournworld nor does he save us from ourselves so why on earth should we worship some "god" that doesnt even kill off the bad peiople? why? bnecause were fuckjed uyp and were nto going anywhere none of us no geddon no furture no way out its life get over it and stop ya fucking bitching about shit that u can never possibly change 031130 ... thestoryteller> Our strength as mankind has a solid perception of what is just and good. For the most part, this is idealized by all the great writtings from long ago. The principle being the Bible itself. Our weakness is in not realizing that life is not a static event. It is ever changing. To change is good, but to some change is unsettleing in that they are constantly keeping up with what is new in their lives. How that new event changes the stability of a personal reality is rendered by their grasp onto the beliefs in God 031203 ... jay "God" exists on a plane higher than anything our feeble minds can even begin to imagine. we are fools to try to explain God, and we insult Him/Her/It by attempting to do so. 031207 ... karl the weed you know the irony of that is that this is one of those things that youll never be able to change, some people will always beleive in some sort of god. you cant change it. do you really think that you saying "theres no god were all gonna die" is going to get people to go "oh my GOD youre right, what the hell was i thinking??? fuck god!" no they'll always beleive that. so YOU stop YOUR bitching. of course, there is more irony here bc you could be an ignorant dumbass in which case im wasting my breath. 031207 ... karl the weed you know the irony of that is that this is one of those things that youll never be able to change, some people will always beleive in some sort of god. you cant change it. do you really think that you saying "theres no god were all gonna die" is going to get people to go "oh my GOD youre right, what the hell was i thinking??? fuck god!" no they'll always beleive that. so YOU stop YOUR bitching. of course, there is more irony here bc you could be an ignorant dumbass in which case im wasting my breath. 031207 ... karl the weed you know the irony of that is that this is one of those things that youll never be able to change, some people will always beleive in some sort of god. you cant change it. do you really think that you saying "theres no god were all gonna die" is going to get people to go "oh my GOD youre right, what the hell was i thinking??? fuck god!" no they'll always beleive that. so YOU stop YOUR bitching. of course, there is more irony here bc you could be an ignorant dumbass in which case im wasting my breath. 031207 ... karl the weed you know the irony of that is that this is one of those things that youll never be able to change, some people will always beleive in some sort of god. you cant change it. do you really think that you saying "theres no god were all gonna die" is going to get people to go "oh my GOD youre right, what the hell was i thinking??? fuck god!" no they'll always beleive that. so YOU stop YOUR bitching. of course, there is more irony here bc you could be an ignorant dumbass in which case im wasting my breath. 031207 ... under god Karl? Paging Karl. I repeat. Karl? Paging Karl. I repeat. 031207 ... gaz scott jones feel like god feels walk like god walked breathe like we breathe be like it be go to b 031221 ... OuT "God is dead." - Nietzche "Nietzche is dead." - God "They are both dead." - Me 031221 ... Helicala God is a myth. An explanation developed before science came into play. Religion is among the biggest causes of war and suffering. Take the following: The Inquisition The burning of "witches" The Crusades The nuns that make Catholic schoolkids cry And what kind of a religion tells you that jealousy is a sin? It's a human emotion; it can't be controlled. Besides, without jealousy, there would be little drive, and therefore less accomplishment. 031222 ... myriadmoods he says "please don't question me, as I am God! I made you and I will save you, if only you will love me. please do not lean not unto your own understanding, as you surely will be lost.I will answer all your questions oneday, if you will only stop questioning me, and love me, and besides I made you to question me, did you know I sometimes will answer you, as it's the mystery of God/ME" 040112 ... grimace I love him. 040128 ... grimace I love him. 040128 ... maharey Not sure where all this is going ...to keep myself occupied, maybe to keep to myself or perhaps only to spark more discussion. Reality and Truth are based on Perception -- everyone sees Truth differently based on their background or beliefs. So this is what I currently see about After Life. ***Some people belive instead of an after life maybe it’s more like a before life, and randomly spirits have an opportunity to be human long enough to give ‘their’ existence a purpose or meaning. So I guess that would make us the end result and not the beginning. ***Some people believe that when you're dead, you are dead. These people fear NOTHING. I find those who are the most frightened of death are those who believe they can go to hell, but want to go to heaven. Is hell really a bad place? Stereotypically yes, but realistically? It’s impossible for anyone to actually know what 'hell' or 'heaven' for that matter really is. Religion. Go ahead, just say it...'I know everything and you do not, so listen to me.' That’s all it is. Theres something there inside. The strength of my own something, a higher power within me that always seems to rally to the cause when called upon. I have to admit that the idea that one day I will die doesent really bother me. Im not going to know when or how. However I’m not about to spend what precious time I have believing my after life will be spent moving other people’s furniture about, or my before life was spent in nothingness, waiting for a body to live in. People have a pretty close minded (maybe even arrogant) opinion of the way 'The' or Any 'God' operates. Perhaps HE is subject to physical laws. Maybe all He or It could do is start the process of creation, but not practically manipulate it. Just because you don't agree with the concept of God, doesn't mean "God", doesn't exist. Then again doesn’t mean 'he' does. How can anyone talk as though they know about souls or God or anything at all religious or even the existence of aliens and UFOs? Or maybe even a being that has nothing better to do then play with their 'Ant Farm' (ant farm being earth), randomly squashing a few to see how they react, and being upset when they do not acknowledge that the being is up there yet still begging it to spare them. If this was the case, even with all the power the it is suposed to have, why show itself to us? which would immediately prove its existence? No, if it was that way, it would be too difficult for all the 'Ant Farm' religious organizations to profit off of the other 'Ants' fears, or take advantage of the younger 'Ants' while being protected by the organization leaders (preachers and shit like that). I don't think Science will ever answer the deeper questions of existence. Keep on trying, what better things do people have to do than to just keep trying to find answers because they’re just too afraid of the uninevitable. Unanswerable questions is all they’re asking themselves. 040201 ... Alpha_Shell is a bullet 040207 ... Fleshy If God is all-powerful, can he make a rock so big that even he can't lift it? 040211 ... Peens Is this the kind of place where your gonna be hard pressed to find a theist? Those are my kinda places for sure, although it is fun fun fun to debate. God made mud. God said to mud 'sit up'. Mud sat up. God told mud to look around and see all the things god had made, the land the sun and the stars. "Wow god, noone could have done it but you. Great job god. Next to you I feel so insignificant, the only way i can feel even the slightest bit important is to look around me and see all the other mud that didn't get to sit up. Thankyou for this honor god" -Cats Cradle (thats from memory so... whatever) "All god does is watch us and kill us when we get boring. We must never ever be boring" 040211 ... Peens Is this the kind of place where your gonna be hard pressed to find a theist? Those are my kinda places for sure, although it is fun fun fun to debate. God made mud. God said to mud 'sit up'. Mud sat up. God told mud to look around and see all the things god had made, the land the sun and the stars. "Wow god, noone could have done it but you. Great job god. Next to you I feel so insignificant, the only way i can feel even the slightest bit important is to look around me and see all the other mud that didn't get to sit up. Thankyou for this honor god" -Cats Cradle (thats from memory so... whatever) "All god does is watch us and kill us when we get boring. We must never ever be boring" 040211 ... anonymous -_- I don't get it. I know in my heart if God existed he would give me a clue. I am not talking about some old book with scary stories - I mean he would really get down with me and chill! But the funny thing is... I was walking home a few days ago passed the ghetto and three guys pulled me into an ally so deep and narrow it was like a tunnel. When I saw the first guy start to unzip his pants I just drop to my knees and started praying. He just looked down at me pull out his nasty old weenie and said - yah grl that's just wherr I wans ya 2 be. And, I just looked away and prayed even a little harder. Then I heard a whoop whoop cop car thingie sound and saw a bright light shine at the end of the tunnel. Next thing I knew they all ran like roaches when you turn on the light. OK so -- it was no burning bush but it sure saved mine! So perhaps I'll have to reconsider this thing called faith! -_- 040218 ... anonymous -_- I don't get it. I know in my heart if Jesus existed he would give me a clue. I am not talking about some old book with scary stories - I mean he would really get down with me and chill! But the funny thing is... I was walking home a few days ago passed the ghetto and three guys pulled me into an ally so deep and narrow it was like a tunnel. When I saw the first guy start to unzip his pants I just drop to my knees and started praying. Oh GOD! Oh GOD! oh GOD! He just looked down at me and pulled out his nasty weenie and said - yah grl that's jus wherr I wans ya ta b. Then he tore at my t-shirt until my breasts where exposed. Then pinched my nipple soooo hard with a twist I almost fainted. I could smell his stinky crotch as he pulled me near. I wanted to scream -- but all I do was whisper. No lord, please no. Then I heard a whoop whoop cop car thingie sound and saw a bright light shine at the end of the tunnel. Next thing I knew they all ran like roaches when you turn on the light. OK so -- it was no burning bush but it sure saved mine! Perhaps I'll have to reconsider this thing called faith! -_- 040218 ... pac_AzWeThinkWeIz God sent his son So that if you beleive... That Jesus died for you and that God's plan is real YOU RECIEVE EVELASTING JOY after you leave this chaotic earth which we are bound to for a reason that we do not know If you are in to science.... like me... God will make so much sense Science is explaining God's creation 040301 ... tryyoga I am tryyoga! Hear me roar!!! tryyoga_on_gay_marriage 040314 ... dakota Don't forget who you are...don't forget who loves you. 040315 ... BERZERKER FUCK FUCK FUCK FUCK FUCK FUCK FUCK AND GOD SAID FUCK SO FUCK YOU TO ASSHOLR 040317 ... BERZERKER FUCK FUCK FUCK FUCK FUCK FUCK FUCK AND GOD SAID FUCK SO FUCK YOU TO ASSHOLE 040317 ... BERZERKER FUCK FUCK FUCK FUCK FUCK FUCK FUCK AND GOD SAID FUCK SO FUCK YOU TO ASSHOLE 040317 ... BERZERKER FUCK FUCK FUCK FUCK FUCK FUCK FUCK AND GOD SAID FUCK SO FUCK YOU TO ASSHOLE 040317 ... BERZERKER FUCK FUCK FUCK FUCK FUCK FUCK FUCK AND GOD SAID FUCK SO FUCK YOU TO ASSHOLE 040317 ... BERZERKER FUCK FUCK FUCK FUCK FUCK FUCK FUCK AND GOD SAID FUCK SO FUCK YOU TO ASSHOLE 040317 ... BERZERKER FUCK FUCK FUCK FUCK FUCK FUCK FUCK AND GOD SAID FUCK SO FUCK YOU TO ASSHOLE 040317 ... BERZERKER FUCK FUCK FUCK FUCK FUCK FUCK FUCK AND GOD SAID FUCK SO FUCK YOU TO ASSHOLE 040317 ... BERZERKER FUCK FUCK FUCK FUCK FUCK FUCK FUCK AND GOD SAID FUCK SO FUCK YOU TO ASSHOLE 040317 ... BERZERKER FUCK FUCK FUCK FUCK FUCK FUCK FUCK AND GOD SAID FUCK SO FUCK YOU TO ASSHOLE 040317 ... BERZERKER FUCK FUCK FUCK FUCK FUCK FUCK FUCK AND GOD SAID FUCK SO FUCK YOU TO ASSHOLE 040317 ... BERZERKER FUCK FUCK FUCK FUCK FUCK FUCK FUCK AND GOD SAID FUCK SO FUCK YOU TO ASSHOLE 040317 ... me God is the ultimate. he has loved us, and payed dearly for us. Do any of you even realize what he has done for YOU? He has created everything I have ever known, and ever will know. And too many arrogant stuck up idiots think that they are too good for God. All I can say is that I too, will cry at the fate of such people. Their hearts are stone, and they will not allow any light to shine upon themselves. In their last days, they will search vainly because they have abandoned God. But if you honestly seek God, you will find him. "Then shall ye call upon me, and ye shall go and pray unto me, and I will hearken unto you. And ye shall seek me, and find me, when ye shall search for me with all your heart." Jerehmiah 29: 12-13 "O God, thou art my God; early will I seek thee: my soul thirsteth for thee, my flesh longeth for thee in a dry and thirsty land, where no water is;" Psalm 63:1 040325 ... apathy Is someone I can no longer believe exists 040327 ... pete I enjoy Jung's interpretation of Job and the crucifixation. In short, as God made Job suffer and denied that he does not give Job an answer in the theophany (though to the reader the prologue and epilogue show Yahweh at fault, first goading the Adversary on, and later he gives Job all his stuff back), he goes through a process of individuation and must in turn suffer. When Jesus of Nazeruth is crucified, that is God is crucified, he is experience the human suffering that he has forced onto so many people in previous history and is realizing that it isn't really a good thing to do it. He even blasphemes (minorly) against him self when he declares "My father, My father, Why have you foresaken me?" In that light, God does not even hold out as strong as Job does, and shows his weakness when it comes to human sufferning. 040327 ... Shaun ...hates me.Always has,always will.Even when I loved him,he hated me.Is it strange that I feel sorry for Judas?Or for Isau and Kain.Poor vessils of wrath,I am among your numbers... 040412 ... Shaun ...hates me.Always has,always will.Even when I loved him,he hated me.Is it strange that I feel sorry for Judas?Or for Isau and Kain.Poor vessils of wrath,I am among your numbers... 040412 ... Shaun Think about it.Judas's regrets,"50 pieces of silver,is that all my soul was worth?".Why was he chosen for this crime?Cirtainly there could have been another way.Or Isau,simply hated,he weeped for forgiveness but recieved none.Kain,his offering was unacceptable,he killed his brother for this.And kain was cursed. I relate to these people.These are the greatest examples of human nature and fault in the bible.Not Jesus.His perfection was an example of Gods nature.We have more in common,as people,with these figures than any other person described in the bible. Jesus said "You are to be perfect,as your father in heaven in perfect.".Oh Jesus,won't you tell me how? In short,were all fucked. 040413 ... Jaca God... the ultimate bling bling 040420 ... Eowithien Which one? And by 'Which one' I mean, which religion? And after that, I mean 'which one' as in which god? Or goddess? Lets be specific dearies and get in touch with reality, not everyone believes in the one 'true' Chrisitian/Judiac God. 040420 ... blackandred Gott = god Gott ist definiert als schwarz und rot blackandred, so lets party www.blackandredparty.de.vu 040427 ... dosquatch Gott = god Gott ist definiert als schwarz und rot blackandred, so lets party Gotti=mafia Gotti ist der triggerpullen bastard, so lets party http://www.losers.org/ 040427 ... dosquatch Gotti=mafia Gotti ist der triggerpullen bastard, so lets party http://www.losers.org/ 040427 ... me? my god sits in the back of the limosine my god comes in a packet of cellophane 040427 ... cocaine God money I'd do anything for you God money just tell me what you want me to God money nails me up against the wall God money don't want anything, he wants it all I've been raising up my hands Drive another nail in Just what God needs One more victim I'm your new God, you can call me ... 040427 ... stand by the lakeshore God is real. Just look around you, and read the Bible. He's awesome. He loves us all. He's real. He's love. I hope you all can believe that. Please. He saves us, He sent His only Son in the world to die and be tortured for us. I love God. He loves us. He saves. He heals. Just pray, for me, for you, for God. 040513 ... smurfus rex with the kind of treatment that Christian Scientist parents get in the newspapers when they try to pray their kids back to health after an accident, can you imagine what the headlines would read if people started sending their kids out to the mobs to be crucified in the streets? if the instruction is to "be ye perfect, as thy father in heaven is perfect", then it must be perfect to kill your own children. it is perfect behavior to hand over your son to the mob so that he can be beaten, tortured, and nailed to a cross and hung up to die. and when other people look to you for justification, you simply say, my son died in your place, for your sins. and rational people will look at you with disbelief and horror and say YOU JUST KILLED YOUR OWN FUCKING SON!! An American was beheaded in Iraq for the sins of George Bush and people in the US go, "Jesus! Can you believe those Middle Eastern madmen!?!?" Jesus walked the sands of the Middle East, you know. *** I do not claim to know the mind or the will of God. I am not that arrogant. All I will claim to know is that the Creator pays great attention to detail, which is proven through the close inspection of something as simple as a tree leaf. Do not tell me what God is/wants/does unless you presume to tell me that you are God. 040513 ... smurfus rex with the kind of treatment that Christian Scientist parents get in the newspapers when they try to pray their kids back to health after an accident, can you imagine what the headlines would read if people started sending their kids out to the mobs to be crucified in the streets? if the instruction is to "be ye perfect, as thy father in heaven is perfect", then it must be perfect to kill your own children. it is perfect behavior to hand over your son to the mob so that he can be beaten, tortured, and nailed to a cross and hung up to die. and when other people look to you for justification, you simply say, my son died in your place, for your sins. and rational people will look at you with disbelief and horror and say YOU JUST KILLED YOUR OWN FUCKING SON!! An American was beheaded in Iraq for the sins of George Bush and people in the US go, "Jesus! Can you believe those Middle Eastern madmen!?!?" Jesus walked the sands of the Middle East, you know. *** I do not claim to know the mind or the will of God. I am not that arrogant. All I will claim to know is that the Creator pays great attention to detail, which is proven through the close inspection of something as simple as a tree leaf. Do not tell me what God is/wants/does unless you presume to tell me that you are God. 040513 ... smurfus rex with the kind of treatment that Christian Scientist parents get in the newspapers when they try to pray their kids back to health after an accident, can you imagine what the headlines would read if people started sending their kids out to the mobs to be crucified in the streets? if the instruction is to "be ye perfect, as thy father in heaven is perfect", then it must be perfect to kill your own children. it is perfect behavior to hand over your son to the mob so that he can be beaten, tortured, and nailed to a cross and hung up to die. and when other people look to you for justification, you simply say, my son died in your place, for your sins. and rational people will look at you with disbelief and horror and say YOU JUST KILLED YOUR OWN FUCKING SON!! An American was beheaded in Iraq for the sins of George Bush and people in the US go, "Jesus! Can you believe those Middle Eastern madmen!?!?" Jesus walked the sands of the Middle East, you know. *** I do not claim to know the mind or the will of God. I am not that arrogant. All I will claim to know is that the Creator pays great attention to detail, which is proven through the close inspection of something as simple as a tree leaf. Do not tell me what God is/wants/does unless you presume to tell me that you are God. 040513 ... smurfus rex bah! curse of the triple post! 040513 ... Paladin Does it matter if he/she/it exists? If one leads a life different just because God might punish him/her, then what would be the point? Live a good life because you want to, or live a bad life because you want to. But do not be hypocritical and live a good live because there might be an 'or else' at the end of it. 040517 ... kyuuuuu Have you ever set the eyesof your heart upon something so pure so without guile and yet wise beyond any words ever uttered into the closed doors of your ear? 040520 ... _new_dream_ Oh God . . .help this world . . . Where have we all ended up? illusioned by manipulated words. . . each unto his own . . . what can they get for themselves? No thoughts elsewhere . . . Where . . . Where have we all ended up? 040527 ... _new_dream_ Oh God . . .help this world . . . Where have we all ended up? illusioned by manipulated words. . . each unto his own . . . what can they get for themselves? No thoughts elsewhere . . . Where . . . Where have we all ended up? 040527 ... katie Weak and wounded sinner Lost and left to die O, raise your head, for love is passing by Come to Jesus Come to Jesus Come to Jesus and live! Now your burden's lifted And carried far away And precious blood has washed away the stain, so Sing to Jesus Sing to Jesus Sing to Jesus and live! And like a newborn baby Don't be afraid to crawl And remember when you walk Sometimes we fall...so Fall on Jesus Fall on Jesus Fall on Jesus and live! Sometimes the way is lonely And steep and filled with pain So if your sky is dark and pours the rain, then Cry to Jesus Cry to Jesus Cry to Jesus and live! O, and when the love spills over And music fills the night And when you can't contain your joy inside, then Dance for Jesus Dance for Jesus Dance for Jesus and live! And with your final heartbeat Kiss the world goodbye Then go in peace, and laugh on Glory's side, and Fly to Jesus Fly to Jesus Fly to Jesus and live! 040528 ... iforgotmyname god is for people who are scared of what will happen to them when they die and for poeple that think too much about before the earth was here. the human mind cant grasp that at one point in time there was nothing there at all. so we imagined a god. i honestly dont see how people can believe that there is some dude up there who will punish us when we die if we do something naughty, unless were christian, of course because they are forgiven. so basically "heaven" is made up of people, whether they are evil or not but just because they are religious, even the second before they die, whereas people who may well have been the best people in the world go to "hell" just because they didnt believe in god. another thing that pisses me off is that some people who are very religious act as though i have no morals or goodness just because im not freakin religious, when half of them do stuff like litter and when you say why dont you put that in the bin they say its not my problem right fuckin christian attitude that is.b if they are supposed to have morals bloody well stick to them. that really gets my goat (i love that saying). Another thing that i wonder about is that if i went back in time an called myself the daughter of god and wrote a book would people have believed me? I would hate to be american even the freakin president is always craping on about god. in australia right now its really funny coz these footballers raped some sluts and all these religious people are crying out even though 4% of priests have been accused of raping children! fucking children!(i meant the fucking as an emphsis word not as in the act, but anyhow). im glad i got that out coz thats something that really pisses me off) 040604 ... iforgotmyname god is for people who are scared of what will happen to them when they die and for poeple that think too much about before the earth was here. the human mind cant grasp that at one point in time there was nothing there at all. so we imagined a god. i honestly dont see how people can believe that there is some dude up there who will punish us when we die if we do something naughty, unless were christian, of course because they are forgiven. so basically "heaven" is made up of people, whether they are evil or not but just because they are religious, even the second before they die, whereas people who may well have been the best people in the world go to "hell" just because they didnt believe in god. another thing that pisses me off is that some people who are very religious act as though i have no morals or goodness just because im not freakin religious, when half of them do stuff like litter and when you say why dont you put that in the bin they say its not my problem right fuckin christian attitude that is.b if they are supposed to have morals bloody well stick to them. that really gets my goat (i love that saying). Another thing that i wonder about is that if i went back in time an called myself the daughter of god and wrote a book would people have believed me? I would hate to be american even the freakin president is always craping on about god. in australia right now its really funny coz these footballers raped some sluts and all these religious people are crying out even though 4% of priests have been accused of raping children! fucking children!(i meant the fucking as an emphsis word not as in the act, but anyhow). im glad i got that out coz thats something that really pisses me off) 040604 ... 1 of NOAHS sons GOD.....god is neither a man or woman.....god is a spirit. Strange how people refer to God.....what god u talking about...your god could be a tree in your yard for all i know...this term god should be scrapped its to general a word....now if you were to say...JAH....OR JEHOVAH....we would be getting some where to the god i believe in... I believe in the GOD of ABRAHAM-ISSAC AND JACOB....because he has tasted my suffering in the one called JESUS the christ. He has regained our authority he gave to us in the begining...i dont wana sound looney but i think we are cappable of things we cant even imagine. 040630 ... 1 of NOAHS sons GOD.....god is neither a man or woman.....god is a spirit. Strange how people refer to God.....what god u talking about...your god could be a tree in your yard for all i know...this term god should be scrapped its to general a word....now if you were to say...JAH....OR JEHOVAH....we would be getting some where to the god i believe in... I believe in the GOD of ABRAHAM-ISSAC AND JACOB....because he has tasted my suffering in the one called JESUS the christ. He has regained our authority he gave to us in the begining...i dont wana sound looney but i think we are cappable of things we cant even imagine. 040630 ... 1 of NOAHS sons GOD.....god is neither a man or woman.....god is a spirit. Strange how people refer to God.....what god u talking about...your god could be a tree in your yard for all i know...this term god should be scrapped its to general a word....now if you were to say...JAH....OR JEHOVAH....we would be getting some where to the god i believe in... I believe in the GOD of ABRAHAM-ISSAC AND JACOB....because he has tasted my suffering in the one called JESUS the christ. He has regained our authority he gave to us in the begining...i dont wana sound looney but i think we are cappable of things we cant even imagine. 040630 ... depressed man if God is really real, why would he care, out of all the life in the universe, about the sinful, small, bickering humans. and out of 4 billion humans, why would he ever care about me and my wishes. God is gone 040702 ... depressed man * ^ fnord % # 040719 ... god here i'm is, people 040720 ... JustOnMonday my dad always tells me to capitalize god when I write it and so does spell check. I don't think I can until I take him in for myself and not because my Dad or my community forces me to. I want to believe in god and I really think I do. I just don't think he has given me any reason to capitalize his name yet. 040722 ... SW I'm sorry if i repeat anything that has already been said, but this page is just too long. :P How can I believe in god? I can't even count the number of times I've been told, "It's all part of god's plan." If god has a plan for me, why does it involve so much pain? How can anyone believe in a god that lets children stave to death, and wars break out, and bombs be built? How can anyone have faith in a god that sits by and watches all the suffering that people go through? It says in the bible that god will not tempt anyone beyond what they can stand. Then why tempt at all? If you can withstand it, it's not really temptation, and if you can't, again, why do people suffer? AS for god giving us free will, thats the stupidest thing I've ever heard when you combine it with all the other christian teachings. ie, the "god has a plan" deal. How can we make our own decisions if god already has our lives mapped out for us? Or does he have alternate scenerio's for every single thing that could happen? Well, If she does drugs, this is what will happen. And if she does this, this will happen, etc etc. If she doesn't do drugs... You get the point. And, seeing as how that's highly unlikely, if god already knows how you're going to turn out, why waste his time on you? If he decided before your born, Oh, well, this childs going to hell for sure, why does he make us suffer through life? Is he truely that sadistic? Anyways, all this has probably been said much more eliquointly in this post. And what I did say probably makes no sense, but oh well. I just find it impossible to believe in god anymore. 040818 ... JustOnMonday SW and anyone else: Don't give up on god yet. I don't want to be preachy and tell you that you can find the answers in your bible or in prayer. I understand where your coming from. Why would god make us suffer? What's the point of living if he has it all planned out for us? I understand that you don't understand, because I don't understand. Understand? I don't think anyone is supposed to understand really. Just have faith, as cheesy a that sounds. Truthfully, not giving up on god is one of the reasons I am alive. god gives me hope. Hope is all I need anyway. 040821 ... Spinner We're so gullible sometimes, making men into Gods, but a man cannot be a god, he is after all mortally wounded and he carries with him, his mortal wounds... Sometimes, while basking in the glory of our adoration, the throbbing wounds seem to fade into the shadows... almost forgotten... almost, but not quite. And so we deify these creatures, then swooning in divine mystery, crash like dancing fools, when the God acts out of character, or rather within the character of man.... Why are we so desperately searching for something better? Looking to find the light, a light in this misery(?), despair(?), tedium(?), bleakness(?)... What are we running from? What are we trying so hard to avoid? Our own insecurities perhaps? Our own short-comings? The ghosts of our own pasts? But if we ignore our own darkness, we will always be searching for the light, we will never be happy... Eventually, the Gods we worship become the shadows we run from... forcing us to bow down before them, paying the dues we seek to deny... The world is a mere projection of ourselves.... so stop searching, and look deep within, under the layers of shame, is a candle, the eternal flame, it's yours, a light, your light, the light. 040925 ... god eat me! 040926 ... apg John Donne Holy Sonnet 14 Batter my heart, three-person'd God, for you As yet but knock, breathe, shine, and seek to mend; That I may rise and stand, o'erthrow me, and bend Your force to break, blow, burn, and make me new. I, like an usurp'd town to'another due, Labor to'admit you, but oh, to no end; Reason, your viceroy in me, me should defend, But is captiv'd, and proves weak or untrue. Yet dearly'I love you, and would be lov'd fain, But am betroth'd unto your enemy; Divorce me,'untie or break that knot again, Take me to you, imprison me, for I, Except you'enthrall me, never shall be free, Nor ever chaste, except you ravish me. 1633 040930 ... Frank never pays attention to me? 041013 ... Frank never pays attention to me 041013 ... god what do you want? 041014 ... Tempest the eternal a creator of life an all knowing super-natural entity that can alter the space/time continuem 041115 ... Forming Mind No matter what you are told, don't turn to god because you are cold. Don't give in. 041213 ... andru235 eventually they would figure out that as it was a concept encompassing everything, every interpretation of it (or denial) was a microtic piece thereof so you are right, whatever you think might as well think of something... ...transcendant...! p.s. the infinities are endless...and each soul is its own, unique infinity... p.p.s. deny this or accept this: you are correct! 041226 ... andru235 god certainly manages to generate a great deal of conversation for something that perhaps doesn't exist perhaps you might enlighten me as to how one discusses nothing? "by saying something" 041226 ... Fearless Leader a brain works by modifing the strenght of cercets based on how often they are used. i wonder if you could modify the code of this websight so that it would do something like that. what would such a being look like? would we even be able to see it? has this already happened is some inevitable way that is absolutly meaningless? 050119 ... dreamer I wonder why most everyone thinks God is a omnibenevolent being. Like He has to be nice to everyone, and give everyone what they consider will make thier lives better. No one really considers the idea that God might be naturally evil, an Un-God. If He is this Un-god, why does He do so many good things? Would people complain that Un-God was being unjust if He passed over letting loose a natural disaster; if He passed over starting another world war. Why isn't this Un-God doing His job? Shouldn't He be making my life miserable right now? Why isn't every person on earth breaking out in festering boils? Why aren't plagues of locusts ravaging everyone, everyday, everysecond? Why are we allowed to taste, touch, see, hear, smell? How can He allow this? Why are we allowed these simple pleasures in life? 050121 ... shnookums One time, When I was in Riverside Ca, taking a walk to work. GOD said "hey Mike", I trembled and my spine stiffened up. becasue of his exceeding greatness, I couldnt see him as a personage, but he was as the greatness of the son in the sky, it was as if I was a microscopic organism. It felt as if a million people were all focused on me in that one moment, kind of like when a spotlight hits you, when your in a stadium at a basketball game, if your at a huge event and your self shows up on one of those huge screens. it felt like that.. so yea ..GOD is great. 050311 ... shnookums One time, When I was in Riverside Ca, taking a walk to work. GOD said "hey Mike", I trembled and my spine stiffened up. becasue of his exceeding greatness, I couldnt see him as a personage, but he was as the greatness of the son in the sky, it was as if I was a microscopic organism. It felt as if a million people were all focused on me in that one moment, kind of like when a spotlight hits you, when your in a stadium at a basketball game, if your at a huge event and your self shows up on one of those huge screens. it felt like that.. so yea ..GOD is great.75271 050311 ... me because your faith is probably broken 050318 ... once again But I can call him Jim 050321 ... Faith God is love. 050322 ... Frank still isnt paying attention to me DAMNIT! 050402 ... Frank still isnt paying attention to me 050402 ... god what? somebody say sumpin'? 050403 ... Jezebel He's the most fragile and the most important part of my awareness. 050410 ... Rx there is no god 050504 ... windowbroken dear god, help nick to get sober again. 050522 ... BluishBelle I Am. 050630 ... BluishBelle I Am. 050630 ... eggory I hear that faith is better than no faith because if I'm right I go to heaven, and if I'm wrong I have nothing to lose, but if I don't believe, I have nothing to gain. But there are too many gods who tell me that their way and only their way is the true way. What are the chances that the true god in the world if there is one either understands, doesn't give a shit, or appretiates the effort. For all we know the ticket to heaven is independence, or a morallity that no religion would teach us. I'm taking my chances any way I go. 050907 ... K to the P God is love and love is real. 050916 ... heybrianfoster god hates the internet including the above post and all before it because of all the porn and because he owned stock in the post office. 050927 ... Dolly Rocker Bleh all you Crucifix Cronies and Bible Buddies take your sappy praise elsewhere. GOD SQUAD! 051008 ... yes god dog evil live racecar racecar 051014 ... god when radish is cooked, crunch fly up chimney 051014 ... another psychoanalyst but it isn't like it matters, does it? because if you look up at the sky and see the same thing, does it matter if there is something up there or not? or do you really care if you're singing in the shower and someone might be listening? 051116 ... not not god tiny_apes 051116 ... x twisted x i hope that even though my mind tells me im alone, youre still there. 060112 ... x twisted x i hope that even though my mind tells me im alone, youre still there. dont leave me. 060112 ... god i ain't goin' nowhere. 060113 ... Karli God plays favorites, and I am not one of them 060116 ... Karli God plays favorites, and I am not one of them. 060116 ... b What a terrible Lie. 060204 ... le_buda_nagot welcome to the neon church. 060321 ... YEA I SAID IT. GOD IS PULLING A 15-YEAR STRECH AT GUANTANAMO BAY ON A KIDDIE-RAPER BEEF. 060530 ... IO1011 I'd like to think god is a desk lamp. 060814 ... Christ without the cross I agree with all of you on all of this. I believe God is the Universe. I believe he is everything. I believe he is you and me. I believe he is love. I agree that many use him as an insurance policy. I agree that he is a way to help people deal with their pathetic lives. I agree that faith in God makes him real. But i also believe that he exists without us needing to believe in him. I agree that the church misrepresents him and uses him to continue their judgmental, power crazy agendas. i think you all are right. 060924 ... Christ without the cross You niggas. (I am black so this is not a racist statement). Religion has a purpose. People's faith in it have given them the power to rise above their flaws and weaknesses. It is a shame that we do not realize what the message of Christ was. he did not come to tell people that he was the only way, the only truth, and the only life. He came to provide a need that we thought we needed. We needed a guide to get us where we needed to be so he came along and became the guide we thought we needed. his message was not that he was holier than thou and he was the only one who could come to God and grow in perfect love. he came to show it was possible. Now, this dafreman fellow is a cool cat. Speaking of cats did anyone see my cat tonya. God stole her from me. Anyways, you niggas need to stop moping and wining about God not being there. God gives you what you want. He will give you the experience of him being absent. In fact, all the things in your life happen and are hurtful because of choice. Free choice. You choose for your feelings to be hurt, conciously or unconciously. Even death depending on your perspective can be a joyful thing. Can you imagine perfect joy. That is what is waiting for you after death. Trust me i have been there. of course, since God would not choose it for you, or force it on you, you have to choose it for yourself. Alright homies, here is some decent advice. Sow some positivity in your damn lives and be self centered. only focus on what you are doing. Follow your heart always and tell the complete truth about everything. Let every action be the direct representation of who you want to be. Let everything be a declaration of Who YOU ARE. Grow in Love. Enjoy everything because everything is a gift of God. Love everything. Love sex. Love life. Love love. And get up off your ass and be a light unto the world. We are all one. Let start acting like it. Just a suggestion. You still have free choice. 060924 ... The Janitor God left such a mess in the mensroom. GROSS 060925 ... The Devil fuck god come with me and have a better life 060926 ... no way too fucking haughty for me 060927 ... god lover i love u 061015 ... god lover i love u 061015 ... devilbunny Thank you, thank you, thank you. You are GLORIOUS indeed, and have been so amazing this past week. I love you Lord. 061108 ... ivyducktwilightseto my mother once told me, actually it was quite often, that god was a black jewish lesbian, and that when we all went to heaven she would ask us "so... how did you treat me in your life?" 070117 ... god i'm only have jewish. i eat parts of the matzah other than the balls. oy. 070119 ... god i'm only half jewish. i eat parts of the matzah other than the balls. oy. 070119 ... pastorfkb What are you doing? Just listening. Why? Knowing that God will speak. Where? In my heart. When? In the instant I stop thinking. Who are you that God would speak to you? His servant Hungry, thirsty and listening. His child Loved, desired and well fed. 070214 ... LoveHolly Dear God, Please help my father get better. He's been unwell for far too long now. He deserves to be a good person and to live a good life. Amen 070527 ... gja Sign on a house fence near me: "Beware of the god" 070528 ... god God is what you see when you close your eyes. In that one moment of looking into nothingness you see your own reflection. 070618 ... e the sun worshipers were cool. the egyptians like the stars, maybe they did have spaceships ? 070619 ... GTony God is dead? CPR! 090205 ... phil Postulate 111210 ... praise the lord https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=kl3b5uvW-NA 150301 ... praise the lord https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=kl3b5uvW-NA 150301 ... Twitch All seeing. I_am. 180114 ... penis I mean, perhaps writing about a taboo was the real penis all along, did you ever think of that? Noooo, you only think of yourself 210829 ... peen perhaps writing the taboo was the penis all along 210829 what's it to you? who go blather from