world_war_three sabbie we got a call this morning from a friend of his to tell us what was happening in the US. i sat and watched for 1/2 hour, the buildings and the smoke and the experts, thinking how surreal it all was, like being in the start of indepenance day. i went to bed after that, and he stayed up all night watching it all. lying in bed, i cried. i cried for the people that were hurt. i cried for the people that were killed. i cried for the people who felt the desperate need to do this kind of thing, and i cried for the future. all these experts keep saying 'this is only the beginning' and 'this is the start of a new age of terrorism'. if this was just the beginning, im terrified as to what will happen next. 010911 ... Dafremen Don't worry sabbie. You will be ok. You will be strong because you must and endure because the alternative should remain unthinkable. I wish I could say this without coming off like some kind of @sshole, but I'd rather say it than not, so screw the consequences: This is a call. This is a call to remain vigilant. It's a call not so much for you to ACT as for you to prepare to act. It's a call to self reliance and away from dependence. It's a call to assure that in our emotional zeal to allow ourselves to be protected, we do not allow ourselves to be packaged, boxed and labelled. It's a call to common sense, a call away from naivete' and childish preoccupation with self gratification, and into responsible pursuit of self preservation. This is a wakeup call, and you KNEW it was coming, or you should have. Those of use who were watching did. That is what will ignite World War III people: the simple hopes of a small band of fanatics that the citizens of the world's largest superpower just might be soft enough to be brought to their knees. 010911 ... sabbie how can anyone believe in a god that demands this kind of thing? how can any god worth believing in demand this kind of thing? 010911 ... sabbie im not sure you understood me Dafremen. i am just as terrified of americas responce as i am of another attack. i had a boy come up to me once at a market i was selling some stuff at. he told me how world war three was comming. how i needed to get ready. how i needed to learn how to live in the bush, with out amenities and conveneiences. on my own. buy a gun, he advised me. lean how to hunt, forage and gather. it would mean my survival when 'it' came. the last thing he said to me before he wandered off was 'sell all your black clothes. buy yourself some cammo gear. make sure you have somewhere to go.' he squinted up into the sky and said 'cos its comming.' with that he left. my friend fell off the car laughing, and i laughed so hard my lungs hurt. now, for the first time in all these years i think he might have actually had something. for the first time, the possible future scares me. 010911 ... Aimee I walked into work and saw everyone crowded around a little tv. I peered over their shoulders just in time to see the second tower collapse. I cried because I realize that every single person in this nation will be affected by it. Every single person that died was a wife/husband, son/daughter, brother/sister or something else equally important to at least one other person, and now that person is gone. Their last words may have been "i'll be home, I promise. I will always come home" a broken promise. I'd like to think that their last words to their loved ones were words of love. But I weep not because I lost someone (as that is not the case for me), I weep because my fellow human beings lost the people they love the most. Men lost their wives, daughters and mothers. Women lost their husbands, sons, and fathers. And this is but the beginning. By the end of this, we all will have lost someone. 010911 ... kingsuperspecial I have been watching from San Francisco via the news for the entire day. I have seen balls of fire and destruction consume a city, I have seen people leap from burning buildings, I have seen the face of the wounded and the embattled rescuers flash across my television. I I have friends in that city, and though most of them are okay, some still have not been accounted for. As I take it all in, I see something more horrible than the details of this one event. I see a black, ugly cancer on on the face of humanity, a cancer that has been festering since humanity began. Furthermore, there is a brutality and ugliness in this event that speaks only the quietest whisper of what may come in the future. Think about it. As a species we are bound and determined to fight for our ideals, to stand our ground and accuse and defend, and to push away anyone and anything we don't understand or agree with. There is safety in the certainty of our beliefs, and that safety is a drug. Taken by this, we as a species can so deeply indulge our hatred causes us to fly planes into building, burn families in ovens, kill heathens to teach them the love of our god, and enslave others for our own greed and profit. The list goes on, and our record is pretty bleak. It's easy to see that ugliness, violence, and greed of humanity is a progressive, ravenous disease that it will tear our entire existance apart. Do you see any way that these events will not breed more violence, racism, and death? Are nuclear or biotoxic terrorist attacks far behind? How much time do we have before the zealots in any one camp, regardless of side, have enough power to destroy everything, in the name of their cause? Don't feel bad only for the person incinerated by jet fuel, or the people who lept from the 80th floor of a burning building, or the rescue workers crushed as debris fell from the sky. Don't feel sorry for just those people directly affected by this event, or even for one side of the conflict as a whole. You should also feel bad for yourself, as a memeber of the world, and think - deeply think - about the crisis we have come to. As a human bean, your neck is on the line, because our greedy little munkee brains can't see the bigger picture. Sadly, I'm not sure there is a heck of a lot you can do about it. Is there a solution, can the slide to destruction can be stopped? I can only think of one thing to suggest; find someone you hate, fear, or don't understand, and give them a hug. I'm totally serious. Somewhere in us all is a fear of the unknown, a mircoscopic seed racism, resentment, unwillingness to accept, or judgement of those not like us. No matter how deep you have to look, I think it's there in every single one of us. The only hope humanity has is for every individual to realize that ALL life is sacred, no matter how much you despise or disagree with they way that life thinks or acts. Maybe a shift in compassion of this magnitude would have enough momentum to slow the intoxication that is polluting the world, and cool the violence that lurks so quick behind "knowning" you are "right" or the need for "justice" or having a "cause" to defend. It is this failure to see each other as individuals that pulls us apart. And as the news continues and more smoke and death fills my home, I can't help but feel that the momentum of the end of us all was just given a major kick in there rear, at least by my accounting. If this latest act of terrorism isn't working, and YOU aren't personally a bit terrified, than I think you need to open your eyes, kiddies. We as human beings are throwing bombs at school children, murdering farmers in their fields, spreading hate through propeganda, and jeapordizing or very existance over priciples, religion, greed, and the events of the past. This is happening in almost every culture in every corner of our world. There's not a person on earth that is safe, and not a person on earth who shouldn't be thinking of how they can stop it, or perhaps how their actions or in-actions allows the danger to persist. If the patterns of life foreshadow anything, the escalation of this sort of violence will follow it's course and spread to envelop us all. How far off is the day where you wake up to find the terror has reached your home, and you see the carnage first hand? Maybe it will be your kids who breathe germ-war on the way to school, or your city that hides an atomic warhead in a suitcase. Possible? Yep. And worse yet - it's probable. Think about it, fellow munkees. Think and grow, before it's too late. 010911 ... Dafremen He did have something sabbie. In a manner of speaking. We should be self reliant. We should be prepared. What is sad, dear sabbie is that you are the victim of your upbringing in a fantasy world. A world of isolation where we are protected from the cold realities that face most parts of the world everyday. You have been raised dependent, as were we all to some degree. Is a grocery store a dependence or a convenience, sabbie? Most would say it is a modern convenience, but a convenience is something that you don't need. Can you honestly say that you DON'T need a grocery store, sabbie? When's the last time you grew and canned yer own food? (I'm not saying we should take up those lifestyles, simply that we should make learning basic living skills a higher and earlier priority in our educations than getting into all of the mental buffoonery by which we must now make our livings.) Grocery stores aren't a convenience, we are dependent upon them. We are dependent upon others to protect us and feed us, as a result of our fear of standing on our own two feet, we are willing to give up our ABILITY to stand on our own two feet in order to NOT HAVE TO STAND on our own two feet. Be strong sabbie, fight the fear because you must. Think about it chicklette...what's the alternative? Trading all of yer clothes in for black T-shirts and camo pants so that you can hide in your lead lined box polishing your rifle? Learn self reliance, then live life with confidence in your ability to handle what comes. Then if it comes....handle it. 010911 ... yummyC i speak of this on AIM, using digital sad faces to project my sympathy to a friend in Maryland, whose friend died today in the world trade center. Its so fake and so used and doesn't mean a thing. People are dead, the world trade center is gone, there is chaos on the streets in New york, and I sit calmly at the computer and type. I'm numb, trying to understand whats going on. how many people are gone, how much this will soon affect me. World war III is a horrible reality. I'm so far away and so useless. I don't know how to help. Blood drives everywhere, but I'm too young to donate blood. i don't know anymore. So many people so absorbed in their own lives, like me, and something like this happens. we were asking for this. not individually, exactly... anyways this is all going to hell. "its about time we had a war" says Erica. I nod in agreement... "things have been waiting to explode" 010911 ... Fli And just what in the hell did this prove? We are susceptible to an attack. No shit, Sherlock. It proved the attackers and their cause are responsible for at least 30,000 deaths. How do they justify that? What did these innocent people do to deserve this? Nothing. Take your cause and shove it. How do they sleep at night? And, by the way, they will have to go to sleep sometime...and we'll be there. 010911 ... fli What the fuck did all this prove? That Americans are susceptible to planes flown into buildings. Who isn't? 30,000 plus innocent people who did not even know your cause, people or country died so you could get your dicks (little) hard. Take your cause and shove it. How do you'll sleep at night? I'll tell you one thing, you will have to go to sleep sometime, and 010911 ... Dafremen El - Al... the premiere airline in the middle east flies with armed, undercover agents on flights. At all airports thoughout Western Europe, you are asked at least 3 times to identify yourself and your destination and in many cases your business there. I don't want to live in a military state anymore than anyone else. If we leave ourselves exposed to danger while pissing lunatics off willy-nilly around the world with no regard to the consequences, then we WILL be reminded of our vulnerabilities. Our reliance on the media for our information and on the government for our protection becomes a TOOL used against our common American psyche. When we see the images of enormous skyscrapers crumbling ala Independence Day we are frightened to our very core; for the media is perceived as truth and THIS is truth is terrifying. When we see the Pentagon sliced wide open and our President running for cover while we hunker in front of our television sets behind the paper thin security of our apartment walls we feel vulnerable, where we once felt strong. Oh they proved something horribly ironic, fli: that the largest military superpower in the world couldn't even defend it's own headquarters. That the strongest country in the world couldn't protect it's own economy or transportation system from the whims of a handful of cold blooded religious fanatics. Don't fool yourself with foundless bravado. I admire your spirit, I fear your judgment. 010911 ... kingsuperspecial this country operatates under an old idea that war is honorable, that our enemy will make their intension to harm us known, or at least attack the targets that represent our military presence, not our civilians. In this new era, the might and wealth of the U.S.A. is seen as justification to attack by other means, because by being a citizen of the USA you are implicitly guilty of supporting everything the USA does, even those things you don't know about because our corporate media whores don't let us find out. Not just conspiracy theory non-sense; do a little research and find out all the news that never makes CNN, you'd be surprised. This justification Tgive these people freedom from moratlity, and license to act out violence in retribution for the actions that the U.S. is seen as responsible for. Without condoning this action, or saying it is excuseable in any way, I think is important to consider what might have happened to make someone feel they should do this? The truth is that these people believe quite deeply that they had a reason and justification to do this. Perhaps they are bred in a more violent culture than ours. However, there maybe me some value in thinking about what events have given them the justification, or how we might have brought this sort of violence to bear on ourselves? Do you know what their reasons are? I can't say that I do, not in any detail, anyway. Ask around, does anyone around you know? Probably not. Do you find it interesting that so many don't know? Are they talking about that on the news? Not really. The talk is "let's get them", not "why are they mad at us?" I think I was trying to get at this eariler; pointing the finger and seeking an "eye for an eye" isn't going to mend the lack of understanding that is at the root of this disease. Sure, it's a good idea to be ready for more of the same. But what about doing something to prevent it before it happens, to get to the root of what is wrong? One key might be to get more information about things, and demand that these issues be addressed. Get more involved politically, talk to your friends, encouage thought and understanding. Learn the details before you decide how you feel, or think you know what happend, or give your opinion on what should happen next. Here's a crazy idea: how about we find other options besides "taking a side", such as trying live and think in a way that works toward a world where sides aren't necessary. god, I sound like a fucking hippy. I think I need a drink. 010911 ... Dafremen A strong voice of wisdom...thank gawd...or is there an echo in here? 010911 ... Logan Regardless of what goes on, any given Sunday in season, you have your armchair quarterbacks. Trying to add spice to their gridiron viewing, these lamenting middle class savaants outguess and attempt to out-think the coach's decision on every play. Today, however, on September 11th, 2001, no one can even offer up an attempt as to what anyone can possibly do. 22,000 lives (an estimate at this juncture) lost in a flash of time. Everyone looking for someone to blame and no one willing to be the armchair president, senator, or anyone else that holds authority in this unenviable circumstance. What's there to do other than say there will be retribution? Who can we point a finger at when the enemy is unseen? A lot more question will surface...more than answers I can only prophesize. Prophecy...an interesting term to toss around for something that began as a Holy War. 22,000 people die in the name of a faceless God...in the honor of a being who is written as the embodiement of peace. Where' that mentality in God's subjects? Hidden so deep in a crackerjack religion that no one can find that little prize. There are so many figures of history, alive and dead, that I would like to hear react to this. John Lennon, Bill Clinton, Muhammad, Jesus of Nazareth, just to name a few. Any of the people for whom people have taken other's lives to honor. What the point in such a monsterous act? To get the sleeping dragon's attention one more time? Well, it's been noted, and our attention they have. Now what? Do we make them (whoever 'them' is) martyrs and exemplify what they've been saying all along? Do we allow our wrath to boil over into something akin to genocidal rage? Words are not an option, that much is true. Words alone at least. Action will be needed...a premeditated and murderous salvo that comes as much from our torn hearts as from the belly of a machine. We're all victims of this horror. Ever American has been attacked and brutalized today. Every American has lost a piece of themself, and no American will feel as safe in their country ever again. 010911 ... pinkish I've been watching all day. Was about to take a shower and go to sleep [i keep odd hours] when I looked at the TV, WTC on fire. Then a second plane crash in to it. The rest of my day has been a blur. I spent a few insane hours tracking down an uncle who works next door to the WTC towers... He was on bussiness across the river watching it all go down. I've been awake for over 36 hours. I don't think I'm going to have good dreams tonight. I keep seeing that person waving a white flag shortly before the tower fell upon itself. 9_11_01 010911 ... Dafremen The presses' frantic scramble to puke up information...ANY information, even speculative, annoyed me to no end as well Logan. 010912 ... DannyH Is exactly what they're after. 010912 ... unhinged as much as i agree with kingsuperspecial it is in ideal that we will never reach. war creates money. money is the only universal concern. this cannot end the way it should. our media will not allow it and i don't think our government wants to allow it either. i saw the ugliest side of humanity yesterday and i think this can only get much uglier. 010912 ... lost if we were to go to war i would gladly ask to be pu on the front line, or to be on a special reon sort of team where 5 or so people are dropped behind enemy lines and have to kill the leaders while making their way back to their camp. i wouldnt care about dieing. all i know is that befor i went out i would take as many people as possible with me. 010912 ... florescent light In the early 1500's, Nostradamus' made this prediction: "In the year of the new century and nine months, From the sky will come a great King of Terror... The sky will burn at forty-five degrees. Fire approaches the great new city... In the city of York there will be a great collapse, 2 twin brothers torn apart by chaos While the fortress falls the great leader will succumb Third big war will begin when the big city is burning" -Nostradamus 010912 ... j_blue actually he said 40 and 5 degrees the husband told me that ny was at 40.5 lat (or was it long?) zoinks 010912 ... silentbob that just gave me a stomachache 010913 ... kx21 It's the War of Human rights againt Terrorist acts... What is the definition of Terrorist? 010913 ... kx21 It's The war of Human rights againt Terrorist acts... 010913 ... kx21 It's the war of Human rights against terrorist acts... What are the possible ways to end this war? 010913 ... Mushroomman I am in tears, I never thought i would live to see the day, Why must there be war.... I want to raise a family someday, But it's hard to see that when The future seems so dim I think we can still make a diference You say you want a revolution Well, you know We all want to change the world. you tell me that it’s evolution, Well, you know We all want to change the world. But when you talk about destruction, Don’t you know that you can count me out. Don’t you know it’s going to be alright, Alright, alright. You say you got a real solution Well, you know We’d all love to see the plan. You ask me for a contribution, Well, you know We’re doing what we can. Ut if you want money for people with minds that hate, All I can tell you is brother you have to wait. Don’t you know it’s going to be alright, Alright, alright. You say you’ll change a constitution Well, you know We all want ot change your head. You tell me it’s the institution, Well, you know You better free your mind instead. But if you go carrying pictures of chairman Mao, You ain’t gonna make it with anyone anyhow. Don’t you know it’s going to be alright, Alright, alright. John Lennon I want to say that i love everyone.... And i know If everyone sticks together.....we will come out of this.. I hope.... i don't care how pesimistic it may seem sometimes... I will never give up hope... I raise a torch to the hopes of the future, and to everyone 010914 ... Dafremen Good for you. That's what this situation calls for. Strength in the face of fear and optimism during this, our generations' darkest hours. 010914 ... indust This is the start of the war of the apocalypse, the thing everyone feared during the Cold War, total nuclear annihilation. This will be the war to end all wars. Man shall pay for his foolishness and stupidity. THE END IS NEAR 010914 ... Inanna "One good thing about music when you hear it you feel no pain."-Sublime (Now Long Beach Dub All Stars) Unfortunately we still feel pain over war, but music certainly helps us heal. 010914 ... blue-dyed gel product I can't believe I'm still here. Almost everyone I know lives in the NYC area and my best friend is down in DC. I'm fortunate enough to say that almost everyone I tried to reach is shaken, but still breathing. My college was a wreck on tuesday, a painting of panic and anguish as people tried desparately to contact their loved ones through down phone lines and tears. I still can't believe that these streets I've walked down throughout my life acn be the site of such chaos. It's still impossible for me to fathom the fact that the twin towers are gone and so many people have died. I'm torn between whether or not I want to return to NY. On one hand, I'd love to see my family just to reassure myself that they're still ok. On the other hand, I know that when I do go back, I'll hear about the senseless passing of the one person I didn't even think of. I'm still dazed, and Boston is a cold place right now. 010916 ... Tari I attend a high school in New York. And despite the fact that the twin towers have collapsed some ninety blocks downtown, and despite the fact rescue workers are still digging up bodies, I sit at home with only one channel on television, worried about the essay test I have tomorrow morning. Somehow, in the midst of great events and history being made, mundane life goes on. The resilience of such ordinary moments both disgusts me and comforts me. People have died in my city, but I am still able to laugh. The world is changing under your noses, but in reality it has never been different. How is this jihad any different from the Crusades, except in scale and the number of people dead? We will fight and kill for ideas and beliefs and, most of all, hatred. No matter how materialistic and cynical and indifferent the world gets, the hate never goes away. And I also wonder, wasn't there anyone who loved these suicide pilots? Anyone who'd weep over their deaths as well as the tens of thousands who died in the World Trade Center? Surely they are human too...but it seems too unbelievable to comprehend. 010916 ... kx21 a real mirror of Human Nature, an illusion of Life, a knot for Human_rights and its Evolution, an opportunity for new Terrorist_acts and its Butterfly_Effect, ... 010916 ... pralines&cream In response to the Nostradamus post: http://www.dreamscape.com/morgana/91101.htm 010921 ... kx21 It's about Hearts & Minds, Human's Nature & Morality which are Strung around the Religions and Politics... 010922 ... kx21 The War with sad Begining and without happy Ending? 010922 ... kx21 The War with sad Beginning and without happy Ending? 010922 ... captain beefheart Dachau Blues Dachau blues those poor Jews Dachau blues those poor Jews Dachau blues, Dachau blues those poor Jews Still cryin' 'bout the burnin' back in World War Two's One mad man six million lose Down in Dachau blues, down in Dachau blues The world can't forget that misery 'n the young ones now beggin' the old ones please t' stop bein' madmen 'fore they have t' tell their children 'bout the burnin's back in World War Three's War One was balls 'n powder 'n blood 'n snow War Two rained death 'n showers 'n skeletons Dancin' 'n screamin' 'n dyin' in the ovens Cough 'n smoke 'n dyin' by the dozens Down in Dachau blues Down in Dachau blues Sweet little children with doves on their shoulders Their eyes rolled back in ecstasy cryin' Please old man stop this misery They're countin' out the devil With two fingers on their hands Beggin' the Lord don't let the third one land On World War Three On World War Three 010923 ... kx21 What_is_art:- Chicken & Robot Rule the world... 010923 ... kx21 Chaos of Human_rights... 010925 ... kx21 Chaos String around Human_rights... 010925 ... kx21 Its fcous is now shifted to: Chicken or Tiger :- Political Leaders & Religious Leaders... Who are the targetted Worms or Sheep? 010926 ... kx21 The Power Struggle of Chicken / Tiger:- for the benefits or at the expense of worm / sheep? 010927 ... kx21 The Power Struggle of Chicken / Tiger:- For the benefit or at the expense of worm / sheep? 010927 ... kx21 The word Freedom, like Human rights is quite speculative... Freedom of Bombing, Holy War???? Enduring Freedom is even more speculative... Civilisation, Peace, Harmony may be less speculative than Freedom... 010928 ... kx21 The word Freedom, like Human rights is quite speculative... Freedom of Bombing, Holy War???? Enduring Freedom is even more speculative... Civilisation, Peace, Harmony may be less speculative than Freedom... 010928 ... kx21 The word Freedom, like Human rights is quite speculative... Freedom of Bombing, Holy War???? Enduring Freedom is even more speculative... Civilisation, Peace, Harmony may be less contravesial than Freedom... 010928 ... kx21 Security & Safety... 010929 ... kx21 Evolution of new Global Laws, Partnership between Political Leader(s) and Regious Preacher(s)... 010929 ... kx21 ... The_Teaching_of_all_Beings? 010929 ... kx21 Refinement of Entry requirements / Code of ethics for religious organisations... 011001 ... kx21 Q_As... The Universal Prayer for all human beings? 011007 ... Sonya I wanted to believe this would never happen, but here we are, fucking world war 3. As I'm sitting here watching the filtered product of this thing we call "CNN", in the back of my mind I worry. I worry about a future that won't be there. I worry about my friends, my family, all human beings. Perhaps we're all better off dead. Maybe it's not so much an "if", but a "when". Maybe if they kill me in some warped, publicized attack I'll actually matter. At least then I wouldn't have to feel the guilt I now feel because someone I hurt is now willing to die for me. I guess this isn't really about world war 3, or is it? What the hell is 'war' anyway? The sanctity of life was already diminishing. We all could see it, could feel it, could smell it. Yes this is world war 3. Nothing could be more devastating than a time when even the most hopeful, the most optimistic, and the most determined start to crumble. May mother nature take pity on us... 011009 ... Casey We were studying terrorism in World Issues when the towers were hit. We were doing a simualtion where I was the president of a country and one of our planes were hijacked. And we had just gotten into the study of chemical weapons when the anthrax attacks started. My stomach hurts 011021 ... Finger The_real_fog_of_world_war_iii 040706 ... Moon a_phrase_is_worth_1000000_'pictures' "We can make them (Americans) use their rifles against us or we can make them build our country, it's your choice," 040516 ... ............... * The_images_of_Americans * 040516 040706 what's it to you? who go blather from