hubris see also: excessive_pride 100707 ... grecian guy that's not what hubris is, revisit your greeks 100707 ... unhinged you are not your checkbook you are not your suv you are not your muscles you are not your clothes get_over_it this revolution is under the radar 100707 ... unhinged oh yeah and by the way those gauges might make you cool where you come from but i am not impressed 100707 ... Grecian Guy is an idiot. hubris 1. Main Entry: hu·bris Pronunciation: \ˈhyü-brəs\ Function: noun Etymology: Greek hybris Date: 1884 : exaggerated pride or self-confidence — hu·bris·tic \hyü-ˈbris-tik\ adjective 100707 ... . hubris connotes a demise brought about by a prevailing virtue or quality. one needn't be proud of the quality to succumb to hubris; it is not a mere synonym for pride. the 1884 definition is fitting for a victorian-era interpretation of the idea, but must be viewed in the bygone cultural context of that era, and not especially representative of the original concept presented by the greeks themselves. 100707 ... sidenote Technically, you are your muscles. To think otherwise requires the use of one. 100708 ... . funny, i looked in a variety of places and excessive_pride IS the prevailing definition. semantic_degeneration strikes again! 100708 ... And I think the Greeks would agree. the demise comes about AFTER the hubris. but the hubris is not an umbrella term that includes the demise itself. 100708 ... Technically... my muscles are me, but i am not my muscles. "i" consists of many more concepts and physicalities other than muscles. 100708 ... rebutt Al as the greeks used it, it did include the demise, or at least some sort of fall, but not necessarily one preceded by pride. let us take two examples. first, icarus. his flight symbolized freedom of spirit, but that freedom of spirit allowed him - out of pride - to burn off his wings and crash to the ground. his hubris was that freedom plus the crash. second, orpheus. his profound love for eurydice led him to face even the underworld so that he might save her - not out of pride whatsoever - but his eagerness to love her caused him to look back too soon and he lost her. his hubris was the tragic error because of love, plus his capacity for love itself. later he was ripped to shreds by crazy women, which was dramatic irony, but not his hubris. 100708 ... the dictionary agrees Excessive pride displayed by a character, at times taking the form of a boastful challenge to the gods or other higher powers--often resulting in harsh punishment. 100708 ... al there is often more to a word than its dictionary definition... and as we already have several words for pride, why abscond with hubris' unique signification simply to add a synonym for something we already have several words for? there are no other words for hubris, and this sort of semantic_degeneration deprives us of any way to quickly refer to the concept, for who shall ever be sure whether hubris' employ refers to excessive_pride or the original idea? are we destined to ever relay our diluted language through the filters of contextuality? i demand reform now, ha ha ha 100708 ... Sardo Who cares man let it go. It's just a word and no one uses it anyway. Besides man we're not Greek and they were not all that great anyway they all died didn't they. 100709 ... ergo I am fond of this word. Ever since what's his name used it in that movie, I've looked for chances to use it. 100709 ... Hey Dude - check this out: Just because someone links to a word on blather, even if it says "see also" - is not a connotation that the word has the EXACT meaning, or that it is even a loose synonym. It just means they correspond in some fashion. Example: on the page "night," I could write, "see also: moonlight." Now take that hubric stick out of your ass and enjoy things sometime, soon. P.S. You are still not getting it. P.P.S. Orpheus was a fag 100709 ... Grady And unless I hear it from So-crates himself, you can't tell me how the Greeks defined a word. As far as your examples go, they are each flawed in a supreme fashion, and I will be happy to outline that for your reading pleasure at your request. 100709 ... theres nothing quite like a playground fight! who has the excessive pride here? 100709 ... the punisher what sardo said 100709 ... Grady The argument here is not about which of us HAS the excessive pride. 100709 ... Wikipedia Hubris From Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia Jump to: navigation, search Search Wiktionary Look up hubris in Wiktionary, the free dictionary. Hubris (also hybris; pronounced /ˈhjuːbrɪs/) means extreme haughtiness or arrogance. Hubris often indicates being out of touch with reality and overestimating one's own competence or capabilities, especially for people in positions of power. Hubris appears in the terms "act of hubris," and "hubristic." Contents [hide] * 1 Ancient Greek origin * 2 Modern times * 3 See also * 4 Notes * 5 References [edit] Ancient Greek origin In ancient Greece, hubris (ancient Greek ὕβρις) referred to actions that shamed and humiliated the victim for the pleasure or gratification of the abuser.[1] The term had a strong sexual connotation, and the shame reflected on the perpetrator as well. It was most evident in the public and private actions of the powerful and rich. The word was also used to describe actions of those who challenged the gods or their laws, especially in Greek tragedy, resulting in the protagonist's downfall. Hubris, though not specifically defined, was a legal term and was considered a crime in classical Athens. It was also considered the greatest crime of the ancient Greek world. The category of acts constituting hubris for the ancient Greeks apparently broadened from the original specific reference to mutilation of a corpse, or a humiliation of a defeated foe, or irreverent "outrageous treatment" in general. It often resulted in fatal retribution or Nemesis. Atë, ancient Greek for "ruin, folly, delusion," is the action performed by the hero, usually because of his/her hubris, or great pride, that leads to his/her death or downfall. Violations of the law against hubris included what might today be termed assault and battery; sex crimes ranging from rape of women or children to consensual but improper activities, in particular anal sex with a free man or [non-consensually] with a boy;[2][3][4] or the theft of public or sacred property. Two well-known cases are found in the speeches of Demosthenes, a prominent statesman and orator in ancient Greece. These two examples occurred when first, Midias punched Demosthenes in the face in the theater (Against Midias), and second when (in Against Conon) a defendant allegedly assaulted a man and crowed over the victim. Yet another example of hubris appears in Aeschines "Against Timarchus," where the defendant, Timarchus, is accused of breaking the law of hubris by submitting himself to prostitution and anal intercourse. Aeschines brought this suit against Timarchus to bar him from the rights of political office and his case succeeded.[5] Perhaps one of the most vivid examples of hubris in ancient Greek literature is demonstrated by Achilles and his treatment of Hector's corpse in Homer's Iliad. Achilles killed Hector in revenge. Not only did he kill him, but he stripped Hector's corpse and dragged it around behind his chariot, threading leather thongs through Hector's ankles. Although the Greek forces were appalled by his treatment of this other hero's corpse, he was unrelenting. Priam, king of Troy, had to come and kneel at Achilles's feet and offer him Hector's weight in gold before he could convince him to give up the body. Once the body was gone, Achilles had time to ponder the fact that it was prophesied his own death would come soon after Hector's.[citation needed] Similarly, Creon commits hubris in refusing to bury Polynices in Sophocles' Antigone.[citation needed] Another example is in the tragedy Agamemnon, by Aeschylus.[citation needed] Agamemnon initially rejects the hubris of walking on the fine purple tapestry, an act suggested by Clytemnestra, in hopes of bringing his ruin. This act may be seen as a desecration of a divinely woven tapestry, as a general flouting of the strictures imposed by the gods, or simply as an act of extreme pride and lack of humility before the gods, tempting them to retribution. One other example is that of Oedipus.[citation needed] In Sophocles' Oedipus Rex, while on the road to Thebes, Oedipus meets King Laius of Thebes who is unknown to him as his biological father. Oedipus kills King Laius in a dispute over which of them has the right of way, thereby fulfilling the prophecy that Oedipus is destined to murder his own father. Icarus, flying too close to the sun despite warning, has been interpreted by ancient authors as hubris, leading to swift retribution. In Odyssey, the behaviour of Penelope's suitors is called hubris by Homer, possibly still in a broader meaning than was later applied. The blinding and mocking of Polyphemos called down the nemesis of Poseidon upon Odysseus; Poseidon already bore Odysseus a grudge for not giving him a sacrifice when Poseidon prevented the Greeks from being discovered inside the Trojan Horse. Specifically, Odysseus' telling Polyphemos his true name after having already escaped was an act of hubris. Hubris against the gods is often attributed as a character flaw of the heroes in Greek tragedy, and the cause of the "nemesis", or destruction, which befalls these characters. However, this represents only a small proportion of occurrences of hubris in Greek literature, and for the most part hubris refers to infractions by mortals against other mortals. Therefore, it is now generally agreed that the Greeks did not generally think of hubris as a religious matter, still less that it was normally punished by the gods. Herodotus made it clear in a passage,[6] “ Seest thou how God with his lightning smites always the bigger animals, and will not suffer them to wax insolent, while those of a lesser bulk chafe him not? How likewise his bolts fall ever on the highest houses and the tallest trees? So plainly does He love to bring down everything that exalts itself. Thus ofttimes a mighty host is discomfited by a few men, when God in his jealousy sends fear or storm from heaven, and they perish in a way unworthy of them. For God allows no one to have high thoughts but Himself. ” Aristotle defined hubris as shaming the victim, not because anything happened to you or might happen to you, but merely for your own gratification. Hubris is not the requital of past injuries—that's revenge. As for the pleasure in hubris, its cause is this: men think that by ill-treating others they make their own superiority the greater. Crucial to this definition are the ancient Greek concepts of honor (τιμή, timē) and shame (αἰδώς, aidōs). The concept of τιμή included not only the exaltation of the one receiving honor, but also the shaming of the one overcome by the act of hubris. This concept of honor is akin to a zero-sum game. Rush Rehm simplifies this definition to the contemporary concept of "insolence, contempt, and excessive violence". 100709 ... Therefore If hubris "results in" something, such as a downfall, then it cannot also be that something. 100709 ... ergo Saying "hubris" makes my mouth happy. 100709 ... not so lil devil truth is i just love to rile everyone here up, it is so easy to do. i couldn't care less about how we define hubris, as i am both the initial reactant and sardo. everyone was such an asshole back in '02 '03 and i've seen such assholery towards others since that i figured hey, can't beat 'em, join 'em. i was nice until '08 but around here vinegar catches more flies than honey. plus it is fun. i see why y'all enjoy asininity so much, thanks for schooling me in it so thoroughly. 100709 ... some of us are still nice 100709 what's it to you? who go blather from