contain Q Does the universe contain everything? Any answer to that question is inherently a result of circular reasoning, unless "universe" and "everything" are defined independently of each other. I believe some physicists are trying to do that by peering as deeply as they can into the sky or subnuclear matter. If the twain shall ever meet, perhaps they will succeed. Now, though, they seem to be looking in opposite directions. Although what opposite means is also a difficulty. Things often seem to curve around on to themselves. In any case, best wishes to the physicists seeking logical answer(s) to such profound question. In the meantime, I'm willing to conclude in a grand circle of reasoning that the universe we're in has everything we need. The real problems are to find it and not use it up too fast. Solutions to that require our thinking together outside the circle's plane. Okay? 060204 ... three words the_labyrinth contain 154_messages 060711 what's it to you? who go blather from