abortion old hick Abortion stops a beating heart. So does fishing. 000123 ... Q And let's not forget the hearts of women. Women whose hearts will stop as a direct consequence of the actions of people, who arrogate falsely to themselves the label "pro-life" and some of whom sympathize openly with murder of adults, to encroach on women's (and men's) privacy and women's liberty in decisions about their bodies, their souls, and their lives in connection with sex and reproduction. The consequences of these encroachments include pregnant women in desperation dying from attempting abortions by using hangers on themselves and from botched abortions by quacks in back alleys. These things happened regularly before 1973, when at long last the US Supreme Court had the courage to again legalize abortion in the country. It had been legal everywhere in the country before about 1840. I am old enough to remember such deaths, and the vividness remains very painful. Deaths like these are happening again, because the encroachers have scared spineless, mostly male legislators and governors into making laws that require "parental" consent before a woman under 18 can have an abortion legally. Deaths like these will happen more and more, the hearts of more and more, mostly young, women will be stopped with outrageous, murderous prematurity as long as the encroachers on our freedoms, the sanctity of our bedrooms and relationships, and our lives keep getting their way. 000123 ... VCell There is only ONE argument to be made about abortion. It is mostly a rhetorical one. Does human life begin at conception or not? Explore it as a devil's advocate. If life does not begin at conception, but rather at some later stage of gestation, then it is no one's decision except the pregnant woman's (particularly not the decision of any of us men) whether or not the pregnancy should or shall be terminated. If, however, human life does begin at conception, then that life is santified. Thus, any termination of that life can only be defined as murder. The only exception to this rule that I can fathom would be in the case of a woman physically protecting her own life from a potentially dangerous pregancy. But in this 21st century I can't imagine what a case like that would be. I don't see how any other issue applies. Rape, incest, piss-poor planning; as rash as it sounds (forgive me, as a man I couldn't possibly understand the sensitivity of these issues)these are meaningless under the simple rhetorrical argument posed above. A women's choice or a human life. You can't have it both way's. It's not for me to decide. I can't get pregnant. I certainly wouldn't want to meet my Creator with the possibilty of a murder on my soul. God bless. 000212 ... daxle There are some lives that should not be lived. A child who is born to parents who do not want them, for whatever reason, should not be forced to exist. Our true creators are our parents. 000213 ... kari i venture to say that the child would be wanted by someone else. in many instances. parents longing to have what can't be theirs for reasons of... fate biology what have you... and, and it's all said the wrong way when you write: a child shouldn't be forced to live (or was it "to be born" no matter) because there's only one option that so few of us would have taken. even suicides would rather have lived for some short time. and no, i'm not pro-life. you're just wrong. 000225 ... aaroni parponi it's wrong to have an abortion for this simple reason: God is creating this baby, and if you didn't want it created, then why were you doing the horizontal mumbo-jumbo? i believe that anything that God is creating shouldn't be destroyed by our "need" for sex before marriage. and if you are married, then there is even less of a reason to abort. 000225 ... daxle what about the millions of kids who are abused daily by their parents? their parents didn't give them up for adoption. so every day for god's little creature is a living hell. we don't choose to be born- our parents choose for us to be born, and I think that someone who is wise enough to realize when their pregnancy should not turn into a birth should have the option of stopping a horrible mistake from happening. It makes no difference whether the parents are married as to whether their child can live a decent life. Those commitments on paper are no more solid than those spoken and felt. 000316 ... a what bothers me is people that talk about abortion that haven't experienced it. it seems like there are many people out there verbalizing their opinions about how wrong or right it is and they have never had to deal with it first hand. 000316 ... marjorie so many arguments for and against. but why not just face the problem of sex. as sex is the leading cause of pregnancy in this world. birth control, marjorie says. birth control. 000520 ... Thors Kitten Horrifying in it's absolute simplicity Extraordinary in it's relative ease Thanking whoever watches over me Abortions are available Or I'd have a baby Guilt for those who have no need And hate me for it Grateful things are good now. 000606 ... samayyel as for that guy who left you to pay for the problem he helped you create did you take any of that hate out on him? or did you save it all for me. I just know i wish i had been born a couple of years later and to someone who was not so catholic then maybe i could be an abortion too 000606 ... silentbob Personally i'm all about animal rights and stuff. i think that every cell is a life. every SPERM cell is a life. so to me masturbation is murder. letting all those tiny little spermie wormies die in my depends under garments. Maybe abortion is "wrong" maybe not. i kind of have issues with what's Right and Wrong, like how its all relative. either way, abortion is really sad and scary thing and it should be much better left to a professional. if you dont want one, dont get one. if you want one, you shouldnt be afraid. if its not yours, dont worry about it. 000627 ... sutor Today I was driving down I-94 in southern Michigan and there was a man driving what looked like one of those mobile diner trucks. All over the truck were plastered giant, 4-foot-tall, graphic pictures (which I believe were heavily doctored)of bloody, mutilated fetuses accompanied by phrases like "abortion kills" and "God will punish you." My mouth hung open for a good three minutes in utter disbelief and horror. After a long, heated discussion with my travelling companions, I decided that that man couldn't have come up with a better way to strengthen the convictions of pro-choicers and to marginalize the pro-life, right-wing nutballs. So, thank you, you funny, silly, hateful man. You have just made it easier for me to feel confident that I will continue to be in charge of my body . 000709 ... grendels sunday prayer god kills indiscriminately and the sheep chant the same mantra "it is god's will" who will punish god for his senseless acts of depraved indifference, for the cruel and callous homicides and fratricides and genocides that he has set in motion fuck him and his mindless legions 000709 ... claudia prior to voicing an opinion concerning abortion (either pro or con), one must ask themself two very different questions. is abortion right for me? answers may vary, pending on religious affiliation, situation and otherwise. if one is the god-fearing type, believing that they could never face their creator after murdering their own child, the answer would be no. if aborting a child causes any moral questioning or guilt, the answer is no. however, if you answered yes, that is your own personal choice. it is also your life that you need to worry about. either a yes or no is perfectly acceptable. what right does one have to say whether abortion is right for another? none. under any circumstance. what right does one have to judge? none. even the religious say it: god judges. if abortion is truly a mortal sin, the aborting mother will face that upon her final judgement. so what's the problem? pioneering for life is no solution. excecuting doctors, eh? how's that for mortal sin? yeah. so, for all of those zealots and picketers speaking (judging and killing accordingly) for god, you'll burn in hell along with all of the murdering parents and doctors. the bottom line: worry about yourself, and make the choice that's right for you. every woman has the right to choose. your body, your everything. no one needs a prophet with a gun after them. and for every spiritually-clean i-may-cast-the-first-stone 'good' soul: in the event that there really is a god. IF there is really a man with a naughy or nice list, he's got it covered. for the rest of sanity, live life as you will, and make the pro or con decision which is right for you. as for the rest of the world, mind your own self. 000802 ... j how can any of you say its right or wrong? have you had an abortion? have any of you ever had anyone telling you that if you have this child that they will leave you out on the street? have they ever beaten you in hopes that you will change your mind?? have they ever constantly hurt you so bad that they wish you would lose the baby? until someone has done any of this to you you have no right to say anything about this. i had no choice and to give it up for adoption was just out of the question. it may have been the wrong thing to do but I could not stand the thought of my child whose father did not want her out there some where. if she found me someday and asked WHY? i dont think i could tell her. it should not be thought of as an easy way out because its not. there are so many things that happen to you. the hurt,pain, nightmares, thinking that you made the wrong chioce, and in the end alone. in the end they never stay, they always leave you so until you have actually been in this situation where you have to make the chioce dont pass judgement 000819 ... turmoil coat hangers 000820 ... splinken a baby is the sword that hangs over my head any time i'm not alone while i undress for bed. i know what i'd have to do if i got pregnant. i've been celibate for months. 000820 ... fetaljuice I have eaten the fruits of many ripe abortions, and let me tell ya.... six weeks is the most supple, tender fetus there is! Ain't no other medical waste that tastes so good. 011009 ... Aimee I'm pro-choice.. who are you to decide what i can and can't do with my body.... but for me, I couldn't abort my child, but in some cases... it's just necessary and I understand and support those very difficult decisions women have made. If you outlaw abortion, women will have it done on their kitchen tables by men or women who don't know how. If improperly performed, both shall die. 011009 ... batman FUCK YOU ABORTION BLOWS 011012 ... Sonya Abortion may be horrible to some people, but it seems like the pro-lifers can easily ignore the millions of children who get put up for adoption or end up in orphanages and don't get adopted because no one wants them. (A lot of minority babies available.) It's harsh to say it that way but it's the truth. What kind of life are they going to lead if they never get adopted? (And there are many who reach the age of 18 without being adopted.) Ever stop to think of that? A choice is a choice. If isn't yours to make, mind your own damn business. It's interesting how the pro-lifers are so pro-life, yet the majority of them support the death penalty! Argh!!!! 011012 ... . : * p s y b o r g * : . I used to say I was pro-life, but that was a good point. So now I guess people can just do whatever they want and I have no opinion. 011101 ... emo emo The satistic says that fifty percent of women have one of these in their life time. Is it murder to you? To me, it was scary, painful, horrible, terrible, final, and my only choice. For my mistake, i will always know what i had to do to fix it. My life would have changed and my dreams would have melted if i had not gone in that day. The day after my 17th birthday. i dreamt about it, i knew without testing. It grew inside me, it was a part of me<