punk
daxle To stand for what you believe, and to have thought about what you believe.
To not care so much about what you look like that you spend hours getting dressed up (and yes, this includes extensive hair spiking and chain wearing).
To realize that the majority of people going along with something does not make it right; to be willing to change what seems wrong.
Punk!
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leslie music-- ideology-- fashion -- marketing ploy.

Of course, this apparent cynic also believes in the definition above, too.
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drew it's fifteen, not blink 182...
it's fugazi, not rancid...
it's propagandhi, not green day...

it's a mode of thought, not a form of music.
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Jeff @ Newdream Kind of a joke - I bet the guys in suits are really raking it in with all those clothing sales, though.

"Fight the man, but make sure to do it in STYLE!"
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me. fight the system but youll never do it in cuz you pay too much for parsley pot. 990609
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emsie Punk isn't simply a form of music. Punk is a way of life, a form of politics, a mode of dress. There are so many different punk bands out there. In my mind, the two main flaws of punk are the words "sellout" and "poseur". I hate when people in the scene think they're so above everyone that they can decide who is punk and who sold out. That's not fair, and who the hell do they think they are?
"No one calls themself hip hop, but some call themself punk."
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emma "do you feel lucky, punk?" 990621
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l Well, do ya? 990714
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king kai what i would consider myself - sometimes i feel it slipping away - no cure for that like sinatra (one bad mofo) 000102
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roxy oh please. 000208
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BoofPixie so nervous. punker than thou. see and be seen. 000311
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safety pin bird 1988
My shoplifted creepers and a pack of cloves hidden in my backpack
my hair cut short in back and on the sides, a strip of hair dangling in my face in a mockery of the catholic_school imposed dress code, a flask of Jack D. stashed in the art room
and a decorative web of razor marks on my arm. safety pins clamping my pantlegs ticht around my calves and ankles

2000
long black hair with copper streaks and an evil looking set of sideburns, decent shirt and tie and business card, shiny black shoes (shaped like creepers) a well stocked liquor cabinet, a pack of cloves in my shirt pocket, a few ear piercings

...and beneath the sleeves of my shirt, a decorative web of razor marks

and a sex pistols CD in the computer at my desk
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birdmad and now, as then a long-standing contempt for hippy_crap 000520
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punkrockgirl "We'll dress like Minnie Pearl, just you and me punk rock girl." 000521
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grendel "she took me to her house to enjoy a sunday meal...

her father took one look at me and he began to squeal"
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MollyGoLightly Punk rock girl give me a chance, let's go slam dance... 000521
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Brad ah the dead milkmen 000521
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Tiffa punk is me and anything i say goes
punk is soemthing radical, hell hippies were punks
but today our social punk world is turning cyber
to quote one hell of a hot man:
"Cyber punks are the true rebels"
-Billy Idol-
Gods i love that man.......
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WoNDERGIRL violet flowers
for the punk rock queen
a silent
parenthetical
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alkdflksj joy darkside the dark side 000601
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Rummy i am also this. im free-willed. i (inparticular) am anti government and politics, what ever i say about them it isnt gonna matter, so i dont participate.
my hair is green, my hair is blue. my boyfriend is crazy, he really is.

the president can kiss my ass, and then i would ask him "if this is such a free country, why cant we burn the flag?!"
ive ponderd that for a while....
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Rummy "i had a dream, that when i was in high school, that i attended the punk rawk academy" 000602
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MollyGoLightly "Happy birthday, Ralph, I love you! Even though you are fucking dis-gus-ting" 000602
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moonshine Zebra trucks. Too much booze. Bloody shows.Patches and plaid. a paradox. Protest. Clutterred store room in a movie theater. I saw you standing on main street in a tie. The very first time.4 suger cubes. Bouncing over fences,hiding in the shadows. Late night parties in a car garage off the coast. The day your mom found me in your closet..Will you remeber me? 000602
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startfires johnny quest he thinks we're what? 001029
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startfires mr_barbeque 001029
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startfires mommy, i'm not an animal 001029
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startfires i been runnin mondaytuesdaywednesdaythursdayfridaysaturdaysunday
what have i done?
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daxle I tell my mom
I make a punk rock kit for him
for christmas
or his birthday
same day
she days
"I thought punk rock was dead"
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daxle fucking monkeys, I meant to say say not day. well probableee.
I tell him
don't wear wallet chains, don't let the tags stick out of your docs, it's not punk
he says
how do you know?
I say
I looked it up in the punk rock handbook
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j_blue blathering for my high punktress friend, dj_janie. (actually i think her name is now janie_venom)

she has a radio show, the best punk show in the sacramento area, and broadcasts from www.kdvs.org
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kitty almost every one of my classmates claims they are punk. they inform the others, "Punk began in the seventies, not the 90's like everyone thinks." i go to art school so i guess that is the attitude to be expected from a bunch of recent high school graduates. 001117
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silentbob Umm...
maybe i'm shooting for the obvious here...but didn't the early punk uprisings start in the sixties? didn't it just kind of become popular in the 70's??
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Glory Box is what my best friend is turning into. You live with the same anit-everything man for a while, and he turns you into himself. From solid black and shady greys to shock-blue streaks and clothing made out of stolen uniforms. She's a punk, through and through, but she's still my best girl. The hair makes no difference. 001126
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kooter oi, oi , oi! 001208
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brandon Racist people, public jerks. Ruthless thugs! 001208
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j_blue and the antithesis 001208
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... nothing more than another meaningless word. 010121
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silentbob it is not another meaningless word.
its a word, like all other words, that has many various meanings and interpretations
but it certainly isn't meaningless.
it may be meaningless to you Mr. Triple Period man, but it certainly isn't meaningless to me.
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... i never said it was meaningless to anyone other than me. this is my opinion, my view, not yours. you're probably just another fashion victim who watches mtv for the latest blink 182 videos. 010122
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silentbob im sorry that you dont actually know me and that you assume i actually dress like a "punk" and that i watch all kinds of mtv and stuff. but if you actually knew me you'd know i'm not like that at all.
And i wasn't attacking you in my response, you said it was just a meaningless word, and i said not to me, then you basically just repeated what i said.
But what i want to know is why you made a personal attack on me? Not that someone who dresses like a stereotypical punk and watches mtv for blink videos is much of an attack, because i know with someone of your mental capacity you could come up with something more original...but i wasn't trying to start shit with you...so why are you with me?
i just think its funny that you really have no idea what i'm like, but you assume since i said anything at all you thought i MUST be part of that generation who thinks punk is mxpx and blink182.
you're such a thoughtful person, arent you.
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j_blue people who are hardcore to be hardcore suck

respectable hardcore-ness is generated when someone is so into something, they dont notice they are hardcore, or they are willing to be hardcore, despite the social retardedness that ensues

fashion_punks, therefore, suck

people who criticize lack of hardcore in others suck

i suck
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... i like to pull people's strings. it's one of the few things that bring me pleasure in life. one of the other things is sleep. im about to get 12 hours of it before i go into work. work is so punk rock. don't mind me, really, don't. nobody else does. oh wait...yes they do. silly people. 010122
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j_blue sleep_his_enviable 010122
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silentbob but those strings are so silly, so very very silly
please
i want to be your friend
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Thyartshallshant I'm a punk. I'm not "punk". I'm A punk. 010122
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god patti smith
television
richard hell and the voidoids
lydia lunch
sonic youth
dead boys
ramones
johnny thunders
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... silentbob. so when do we start being friends? 010124
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silentbob Hmmm
When you email me back?
you got my letter, right?
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silentbob oh look at that
you didnt leave your email address and all your blathes landed in someone who DID..
well why dont you email me then
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Sintina I wonder why Punky Brewster was called Punky? I mean, she was such a sweet little thing... compared to more recent punk strerotypes...
I hated the theme song to Punky Brewster it used to get stuck in my head and drive me crazy.
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the boy with the thorn in his side Punk is just a style of music. It is not any one set of fixed ideals, it is not how you spike your hair, it is not a way of life, etc. If most punk music has anything in common ideologically, it would be that many punk groups espouse the virtues of being an individual.

The only objection one would have to this definition would be that it seems to brush punk music off as JUST music (read: just trivial entertainment). Music, if taken seriously, can affect your life, it can be a reason for you to get out of bed in the morning...Punk is a style of music and has done those things for me since I was thirteen.
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silentbob if you hadnt explained yourself i would have been mad, but you done good, thats an excellent point, my son 010228
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superslutstar so i hAve pinK hAir... who the FUCK cAres... the so-cAlled *pUnk* genErAtion is in yoUr mind... it'S in yoUr heArt... *pUnk* doEsn't meAn gOing agAinst the croWd becAuse it sEems rEbelioUs aNd cOol... *pUnk* doeSn't meAn lIstEning tO milLencolin aNd nOfx... *pUnk* doEsn't meAn fUcking shit Up at somE show... *pUnk* meAns bEing yoUrself... no mAtter who's wAtching... nO mAtter whO's listeNing... nO mAtter whAt otheR peoPle tHink of yoU... *pUnk* means lOvinG who yoU aRe enoUgh to rEspect yoUrself dEspiTe otHerS' opInions of yoU...... 010326
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Chrisup It's over and has been for 15 years 010402
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punk Punk died on April 15, 2001 - R.I.P. Joey Ramone 010420
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MercynRe a drunken staggering slug; i feel like a broken rag doll laying in this gutter and i am so sick of all the nazi posers... 010427
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*Colleen* just another steriotype 010427
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*colleen* i mean Stereotype 010427
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zarundin But who does my name belong to then?

--Iggggyyyyyyyyy.......
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Glory Box Instead of "drunk punk" scrawled across my nails in electric blue nail polish, I opted for "drunk dyke" and outed myself to the whole party. 010507
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el fagtastico When Blink-182 won best video we were watching it it our homes, wide-eyed as they ascended to the podium, reaching out hands to pull them back down. Fingers knock flat glass TV screen instead.

In its wake some of us clung to old posters and ticket stubs, pledging devotion, faith in radio play. Some of us dug a tunnel underground, betrayed, taking solace in a purer world.

Nothing gold can stay.

I bought a CD by NOFX. New school. According to Kyle, this is real punk.
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claudia kill me before some moron gives me my big chance. And i end-up a poet/role model buried in france.

i'm so high on pot and shit i think that i'm in ancient egypt.

forgive me, seattle junkies don't speak for my generation
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James If you don't know what punk is, and you're reading this which you are, I know you are LOL, then you're not punk.

see: Doesn't need to define yourself
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(for your nightmare) Crazier than GG, yet more PC than Ian
Got colored teeth like Johnny
Exudes a Vicious disposition
His hair sticks out like Colins' did, he jumps
Similar to Springa, yeah, he points his middle finga
Not just a singer in the band
Voted biggest asshole and role model of the year
Got a face like Charles Bronson
Straight outta Green Bay Wisconsin
Not just a singer in the band
He'll puke on you, he'll fuck your mom, he'll smoke while huffing gas
He was the punkest mother fucker I ever did see
Hell he was even more punk than me
He should've been on the cover
He should've been on the cover
He should've been on the cover of Punk and Disorderly
.
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Alexander Beetle What a waste of perfectly good anger.

(Out of curiosity, what happens when NOFX wins an award? Who does Kyle recommend, then?)
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bowen Q: "Do you have any sympathy for punk bands?"
Angus: "None"
Bon: "What's a punk band?"
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torusinsubgeniusmode For pinks it's punk to be punk, but for PUNKS it's punk to be pink. 010707
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gone? I find it funny now. I went thru subconsciously "trying" to be what I thought punk was and then I stopped trying much cause it just happened cause I like it and now I'm getting to the essence which is unity and DIY. don't critisize others for thinking differently. if you can't find what you want, make what you want. music is at the core and fashion is a peripheral. if it's fun then do it. and yes I cut the tags off my docs cause I'm not a walking advertisement. but I'll never call myself punk cause everyone's got a different definition and I don't wanna define myself as part of a group. I define myself as me and that's it. I'm not gonna be punk cause I do or don't like NOFX (I do). I'm not gonna be hardcore cause I like All Bets Off. I'm Me. That is IT. (I hear being indignant means you don't believe what you're saying. No.) 010708
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yummychuckle everyone wants to define punk.
good for you.

this guy at my school hates me and terrorizes me because i am a poser because i had blue hair. can't i just like blue hair??? He was such an asshole to me. I was friends with most of his friends and he didn't know it. Just jumped at the chance to be an asshole to some random person and never thought that maybe i am cool or interesting or worthwhile or whatever. Apparently HIS friends thought i was.

but ok I'm fake, sure. i'm a poser, although i make no claims. I like punk music, i dont advertise it like crazy. i like blue hair, i like purple hair... nothing is wrong with that.

there are many punk fans who are just plain viscious in their definitions of punk. and people who are real punk fans.
FUCK them.
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silentbobfuckyou Yeah, fuck them 010709
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black-dyed gel product Although I go to A LOT of punk shows, I have never once considered myself a punk. I like the music, but I find the lifestyle too much work and far too cliche to ever consider pursuing it. One is never sure he is punk anyway. If you say you are a punk you're a poseur anyway. Besides, to be a punk, you have to get deep into the research of your genre. For example, to be a true punk on long island, you must know all about the history of the scene from about 1988 onward. You must possess an innumerable number of CDs to meet this qualification as you will be required to know all of the lyrics by heart. Then there's the matter of how you must dress. You must not wear leather as not to offend the vegans, you must own a bunch of T-shirts by a bunch of extra obscure scene bands. You must detest name brand jeans and either seek out expensive skater jeans or shop at salvation army. You also must not give a fuck about what you look like, which contradicts what I said before. You must be one step ahead of the scene, therefore you can make the following comment: "I've been a fan since the beginning; now with all these new little kiddie fans, I don't know if I can even listen to them anymore." You must know practically everyone that matters at every show you go to, usually getting in for free because of this. Also, here's the biggest cliche of the punk lifestyle, you must do all of this without trying, by intuition only, and without thinking about it. In fact, the only way to be a punk is to do all of the following without making a conscious effort to be a punk.

Punk music I like. It's about unity and going against the trends of mtv. Its a little safety raft in a sea of corporatized music. I do, however, have a problem with the concept of being a punk. I feel that no one should have to meet the standards of being a true punk. I feel that no one should be a punk. I feel it should be all right to enjoy a show just because you like the music, and feel free to
do some hardcore pit dancin if you want to. I hate labels and the standards of such labels. Enjoy what you like, and live how you choose. I believe we'd have a more unified scene if people stopped worried about being a punk and just enjoyed the music and culture of said scene. I'm sorry if I've offended any punks out there, but that's just how I feel. What do I know anyway, I'm not a punk. It's just one man's opinion, the one that I live by, but you have a mind that you may use to think how you want. That's the nice part of free will.
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yummyC thanks.

you just pretty much captured my opinion, only if I were to use my own words i would have offended a zillion people and distorted what I really meant to say.
so yeah.

**starts clapping and wipes a tear from her eye**
(whispered) thankyou.
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Dafremen What's wrong with shopping at the Salvation Army? 010710
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Dafremen Well unless yer shopping for romance that is. 010710
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black-dyed gel product Shopping at the Salvation Army is almost like robbing the homeless, which when you're drunk like I am now is really fucking funny. 010710
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yummychuckle looky!
1000 lb Larry ... 12 Cent ... 200 North ... 30 Day Warranty ... 30 Second Fury ... 37 Slurp ... 5
Minit Major ... 7 Day Weekend ... A Secret to Keep ... Ablaze ... Across the Border ... Agent 51
... Airbomb ... Aka Nothing ... Anal Beard ... Anal Thunder ... Axis ... Bad Poetry Minute ... Ball
Cheeze Psychotics ... Bambix ... Bickie's Cab ... Big Wheel ... Bizzare Cowboys ... Blinder ...
Blood Party ... Bloody Crackdown ... Bottles and Skulls ... Bravado Bravura ... Briegel ... Brigada
99 ... Broken Art ... ... Broomfiller ... Bunchofu*kingoofs ... Celebrity Roast ... Changing Names ...
Charlie Brown Gets a Valentine ... Cheepshot ... Chester ... Chupacabra JR. ... Clearview 77 ...
Closer Than Kin ... Closet Monster ... Cluster Bomb Unit ... Coyote ... Crummy Stuff ... Custom
Caravans ... CZD ... De Crew ... Dead End Kids ... Dead Inside ... Dead Sheriff ... Derita Sisters ...
Die Optimale ... Dirt Bike Annie ... Disco Vato ... DMS ... Dogs of Lust ... Dogshi* Sandwich ...
Dr. Teeth and the Electric Mayhem ... Dread Fabrik ... Driven Out ... Drowning Fish ... Drunken
Orgy ... Dufus ... Dumpster Junkies ... Durge ... Earth to Nigel ... Easy Way Out ... Educational
Chaos ... El Nada ... Electric Eel Shock ... Elroy ... Encroach ... ESL ... False Identity ... Faster
Than Eddie ... Female Chauvinist Pigs ... Fetus Eaters ... Flat Earth Society ... Flipside ... Flyboy ...
For the Last Time ... Foxy ... Free Living Insanity ... Ga.Ra.Dro. ... Ganglia ... Generation 69 ... Get
Up and Go'ers ... Grace and Thieves ... Grounded ... Guys on a Hill ... Haeckenflosse ... Happy
Campers ... Haulin' Ass ... HCA ... Hellroute 16 ... Hiper Lopro ... Hollywood Rivals ... Hoppin'
Mad ... Huskavarna ... Hybrid Mutants ... I God ... Imbeciles by Class ... Immanuel C*nt ...
Intention ... James Richard Oliver ... Jason ... Jeepers H. Crackers ... Johnny Cheapo ... Justin Time
... Kate of Kale ... KFP ... Kismet Hardcore ... Kremirani Casi ... Kropsy ... Lame Ducks ...
Larvae ... Laughing Stock ... Leek and the Bouncing Uptones ... Love Kills ... Luck of the Draw ...
Machine Gun Etiquette ... Menstrual Tramps ... Merrick ... Milhouse USA ... Minor Disturbance ...
Mixtwitch ... Mold ... Monkies Doin It ... Moodfrye ... MoPar ... Moron Envy ... Morris ... Mother
Russia ... Mouthguard ... Mr. Zippy ... My 3 Scum ... N Flunders ... Nectar ... Nectare ...
Nerdlinger ... New Society of Anarchists ... Next To Nothing ... No Erasers Allowed ... No Thrills
... None the Less ... Normal Figures ... Nothing in Common ... Nowhere Squares ... Odio Simple ...
One Less ... Pen 15 ... Petrograd ... PK Rippers ... Plan 15 ... Plate Six ... Polemic ... Porter Hall ...
PP7 and the Calypso Queerleaders ... Pro Monroe ... Proletarian Art Threat ... Psychotic Reaction
... Pulpit Red ... Punching Judy ... Punishment Park ... Rank Miasm ... Reaction 31 ... Rebel Rebel
... Resistenza ... Rickshaw ... Rotten Boi!s ... Run Amuck ... Ruth's Hat ... Same Day Service ...
Sanity Assassins ... Scaredy Cat ... Scintilla ... Scorefor ... Scrumfeeder ... Sewing with Nancie ...
Shandon ... Shikshadle ... Shiloh Church ... Shi*loads of *uck All ... Shiver ... Sir Veja ... Six String
Rebels ... Sixty Foot Time ... Slightly Askew ... Smack Attack ... Soapbox Revolt ... Spazboy ...
Speedfreaks ... Spitball ... Square One ... Square the Circle ... Squeezepoint ... Stage Hand Scott ...
Stinking Dogs ... Suicide King ... SUK ... Supreme Dispassion ... Switch 247 ... Synapse ... System
39 ... Tear of a Doll ... The Band From Planet X ... The Bedspins ... The Blamed ... The Book is on
the Table ... The Borderguards ... The Browns ... The Bullocks ... The Bullys ... The Cartwrights ...
The Cheapskates ... The Cheeks ... The Coffin Cheaters ... The Comeback ... The Commercials ...
The Creetins ... The Daryls ... The Deep Eynde ... The Disappointments ... The Disruptives ... The
Ed Kemper Trio ... The Eight Bucks Experiment ... The Eradicators ... The Family Dog ... The
Flamingo Massacres ... The Freeze ... The Ghoulies ... The Good Boys ... The Grand Prixx ... The
Gutter Queens ... The Guttersnipes ... The Infected ... The Interns ... The Jackalopes ... The Jeff
Tucker Explosion ... The Jocks ... The Jonee Earthquake Band ... The Load Levelers ... The Mighty
Gordinis ... The Mixelpricks ... The Motivs ... The Offs ... The Pink Torpedoes ... The Piss Shivers
... The Pokers ... The Pricks ... The Putrid Flowers ... The Railway Humanoids ... The Red Tops ...
The Rong 'uns ... The Rotten ... The Rude Street Peters ... The Seal Klubb Orkestra ... The
Shi*giveits ... The Sindys ... The Sloppy Meateaters ... The Sludgefu*kas ... The Sneak Previews ...
The Steam Pig ... The Strap Ons ... The Unknown ... The Vectors ... The Visitors ... The Wallys ...
Thee STP ... Think Twice ... Threefoot ... Tinnitus ... Token ... Torg ... Ubangi Stomp ... Uncle Tiki
... Unfold ... V Okovih ... Vic Du Monte's Idiot Prayer ... White Trash Debutantes ... Wisecracker
... Worm Quartet ... Xnachos ... Zero Tolerance Task Force ... Zippo Raid

those are the bands that i get cds from. i mean songs from them on diferent cds. hoorah! i posted them on the dammit page by accident.
ah I'm happy. new cds are on their way!
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silentbob thats a helluva lot of cds, yummy chuckle.

your job is to make me a tape of your favorites of these

are they free or what?
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black-dyed gel product I'm disappointed. I didn't see Flogging Molly or the Movielife on your list.

:::frowns:::

:(
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yummyC lol, sorry, i just realized i didnt explain...its on the dammit page...i have a few songs from each of those bands, i beleive. ten cds with all those bands on em. they arent the copied kind...they come in this pretty tin with a patch and stickers and stuff. and a big booklet thing...
i got it off of Ebay, cost $40.
cost my DAD 40 dollars. he was feeling guilty for ...well...being a good dad. I was juts mad at him so i guesshe bought that so i would be happy. it worked.

i would LOVE to have the full cd from all these bands, lol...and I AM getting a flogging molly CD when i get the munny for it. I have a long list of CDs to buy. I want glass eater (i heard the new one wasnt that great, but idno) and flogging molly and a zillion more...

*sigh*
10 cds from ebay
+ 5 cds from bmg music service (old weezer, fiona apple..ect
= happiness.
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Allie Today someone asked me what the definition of punk was. I kicked over a tin garbage can. "That" I replied "was punk." 010720
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braineaters oi oi oi 010720
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silentbob so yeah,..make me a tape 010720
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bijou Imagine that, you can go to e-bay and buy yourself a "hundred-pound-punk" kit for beginners and cut out years of dedicated research in the field of good music. I bet it comes with an instruction manual too. In my city, you can go to the local "Hot Topic" and buy backpacks with "punk rock" patches already sewn on them! This made me laugh out loud. Imagine going to high school with your new "punk" threads and shit-stompin dickies kicks, and your designer punk rock backpack, patches already in place. You walk in the door on the first day of school and three other kids walk past with the same backpack, the same patches. This concept is hilarious to me. It's genious, really. Mr Topic himself is laughing all the way to bank, exploiting all these children who so desparately want to be different. They have no creativity, just their parents credit cards or some of them their McDonalds paychecks. I'm sorry, I really usually try to be positive when I blather but I have passed this thread many times and I feel like I have to say something. I can't claim to be punk, you have to be born punk I think. I just started listening to the music in high school because there was NOTHING left. And I think that's the reason it's so popular these days, people have run out of things to do, there is (mostly) no good music being made these days. At least as far as pop goes. Bands like blink 182 and sum41 had everything layed out perfectly for them before they even learned how to play their instruments. Pop music has been waiting for the new "bad boys", the alter-egos to bands like the backstreet boys and nsync. And as much as it does make punk fans want to tunnel under ground, I have no doubt this is a trend that will pass quickly and you'll be back to where you started, getting sent to the principals office and getting beat up after school for having a mowhawk or spray-painted stencils on your leather jacket. Isn't that the way it should be? 010802
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kuleilani I don't think shopping at Salvation Army is like robbing from the homeless, I'm almost positive the money you spend there goes to help homeless people. (Perhaps after being cut sixteen times by the man. Maybe that's where the robbing comes in.) 010802
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dave thats all you need to know i hate choads that punks names by singling us into posers or sellouts they can go put there head in the trash were they came from. 010802
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yummychuckle fuck you.
don't judge me for buying a set of punk cds, that I thought sounded good (and are good). Saved me money.
anyways,
fuck you.
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bijou i knew you would get pissed. that's why i never say negative things, because people take it personally and get all bent outta shape. i am not making fun of you. i think you are an intellegent person with great taste in music. i even saw your picture on your website, and you are a beautiful girl. i was just trying to make i point. i will refrain from further such activity in your presence or at your expense. (unless you bought one of those backpacks, then theres just no excuse.) 010804
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fuckaname motherfucker trying to find a definition for the extreme outburst of raw uninhiited energy you should give up your search punk is not cool punk is not hip punk is not to be liked or trendy punk is real a bunch of fucking losers that realize the world is one big flaming pile of rotting shit i belong to punk punk belongs to me im a loser im not cool im not a trendsetter and beleive me i am sure as hell not popular you should learn a lesson from me and that is that you should all shut the fuyck up and get over yourselfs 010813
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the one i assume you know what your doing i assume your making it right
but to be a punk in love
just might take all night.
Nobody wants to try it..
no one will ever see
that the coolest thing about you
is that you arent me.

Punx are here everywhere. we have a whole PAP war going on- punks against the police. they're corrupting all of us...trying to make us conform. Shit all we want to do is play hack and listen to fucking shit that doesnt ryme love with above and dove and every other fucking corny word out there. FUCK. PunX need to be recognized as people too. Were better than you anyway...Damn !!!!PAP!!!!!
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silentbobwideeyed *cough cough cough* 011113
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Sonya It seems that more and more the "definition" of punk relies on how one dresses. I've been condemned for listening to punk music yet not wearing plaid or dying my hair blue, or spiking it, or getting chains or piercings or a bunch of other bullshit stuff that punks are "supposed" to do or wear. I get this bullshit more and more because I now listen to music that actually means something to me for once and has a genuine influence on me. The music means a lot to me, and has inspired me to get involved in some organizations. It has opened my eyes. It has shown me that while it's good to talk, we should also act. I'm not talking about Blink crap, but bands like Propagandhi, Sick Of It All, and Anti-Flag.

People who supposedly claim to be 'punk' sometimes do not hesitate to criticize the people who share the same ideals but do not dress like them. I find this to be contradictory to punk in general. Supposedly the punk mentality (for lack of a better word) states that you should not care about material objects and that should include clothes. It states that you should not have to conform to other people's wishes, and you should say and dress however you want. So why is it that so many spoiled brats (yes spoiled brats) who go out of their way to "look" the stereotypical version of punk, feel the need to jump down someone's back when they don't dress like them? These same kids who claim to be punk start bitching when other people do not conform to their wishes by not wanting to spike up their hair and all of that rubble. Don't get me wrong, if people want to spike their hair I'm all for it. I'm just saying that I don't want to I don't need some jackass who claims to be punk and believe in punk ideals harping on me for not being "hardcore" enough. Whatever the hell 'hardcore' means now.

The ideals, the beliefs, the politics...hell if you know anything about the band Propagandhi you'd know that to them, the politics are very important. If you share the same beliefs then the music only serves to fuel your beliefs. And furthermore the kids who like Blink 182 or Sum 41 and claim to be "punk"....that is also contradictory. Granted we may never reach a sound definition of what punk really means, but I have yet to see Blink 182 or Sum 41 DO rather than sing/talk. As far as I can see Blink 182 has evolved into just trendy music for the portion of the MTV crowd that did not conform to the boyband clique. Sum 41 just came along at the right time. The fact that they're both on MTV just confirms that there is a large hypocrisy in this genre we call "punk". They obviously put in a lot of effort to get into the mainstream, to get on pop television. See what I'm getting at here?

I personally do not claim to be 'punk' because there is no real definition. Perhaps being punk doesn't have anything to do with definition at all. Perhaps it's being chaotic, disorganized, and unable to be labeled, categorized, or subsidized? All I know is that what I've learned about punk in general and what I see in a lot of the supposed punks today do not match.

Someone wrote earlier about how you literally have to go out of your way to do all of these things in order to be considered punk. As if punk is a trend....I don't know what to think anymore. It seems like when something becomes a trend the meaning itself is taken away. Wipe away all the spiked hair, the plaid, and the torn pants and what do you have left? If you know what you stand for great, if not...then maybe you ought to spend less time making yourself up and more time finding out what it is that you stand for.

Oh and it's also interesting when I hear supposed punks using the words like queer and fags and being blatantly against homosexuality....due to the fact that the definition of punk is still in question, I may be diving into hypocrisy here. Some people just seem to miss the entire of point of the same music they say they live by. To define punk is probably something that can never happen.
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ilovepatsajak just do what you like 011113
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ice i enjoy punk music and everything, but i don't understand the new glitter punk revival, with studs and fashion accessories and cute little safety pins.

sometimes i feel like looking trashy.
a white t-shirt with holes and the occasional stain; sporadic growths of facial hair littering my face. i want my appearance to shout out "I reject all of your stereotypes and classifications and requirements!" I will have bumperstickers announcing my impending hermit status and denounce anything to do with "customer service."
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Mabel An expression of the soul(just very loud) 011204
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me duke 011215
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kerry go sonya, you rock

and i think can't you be into punk music and other things at the same time like indie rock and emo and not have to be so labelled???? what the hell is everyone's problem these days?
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ClairE "That guy's not PUNK! What a punk..." 011218
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scared barbie doll everyone should listen to Anti-Flag 020206
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silentbob im into punk and other things at the same time like emo and indie rock and classic rock and some alternative rock.
Im into it all because its all music and a lot of it is good. its a stupid attitude to ONLY like punk. is that what you were saying?
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*~K an attitude. an in-your-face'dness that most of the people dressing in spiky hair & listening to shit like green day couldn't begin to try at home.
it came originally from a jailhouse term. the little guys, the ones who'd just get used as currency. THAT was a punk. so it had to've come down to a complete opposite of resignation, an inner hatred that said, you know, you MAY disapprove of me, you MAY be able to beat me, rape me, whatever it is you can do because you're stronger, but you can NOT break me, you can NOT crush my spirit, & in the end, that makes me STRONGER than you.
that's punk. not safety pins. not hair gel. those are ok, but if you don't have that spunk, you ain't got shit.
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silentbob and if u don't like blink yr a loozer LOL 020218
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you dont call me girl,
chick,
women,
hey you,
whore,
mamas girl,
emo,
hardcore,
punk,
or anything that you want to label me.
now please call me my name,
_________.
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Throwback Punk is undefinable, in many ways. Punk is only this: The advocation of independant thought. To be a "punk", one does not have to have a piercing, or green hair, or blue hair, or be obnoxious. To be a "punk" (as much of one as possible, anyways), you only have to think for yourself, make your own decisions, speak what you know is right. And above all, never apologise for your beliefs. I don't care if you wear "corporate" clothes, or studs, or chains, or rags, or a damn barrel... if you are true to youself, you're as punk as they come, kid. 020417
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silentbob I agree. its a punk kind of attitude. As well as standing up and fighting back when you see something is wrong. and actually trying to make a difference.
I think the same can be said about Emo. People want to know what the boundaries are and things like that. It doesn't have to be so black and white like that. All music has emotion. When most people think of emo they think of the whiney little bands with sad pretty songs. but i don't think it necessarily has to be that narrow. "Oh so you're saying a band like AFI can be emo?" Basically, even though a band as hard and screechy as AFI could be the last thing you think of when you hear EMO, AFI isn't lacking in emotion, therefore, they could be seen that way.

Know what i mean? It's a wide spectrum and pinning down one thing to define that classification is...you're setting yourself up. or maybe i'm setting myself up.
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good people i could consider myself punk (or A punk) but i dont dress punk or listen to punk. i am pretty hardcore, and smoke a lot of pot. thats why i believe that punk is a mentality, nothing more. and i think people should stop giving a shit about what other people think is "punk". if you were punk you wouldnt care. fuck punk. 020418
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silentbob it just annoys me when people are too elitest. 020418
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Throwback I'm actually writing a definition paper on what "punk" really is for an englishcomp class right now. Oh, while on the topic, anyone know a place where i could get good quotes on what punk is? Atleast two references are required for the paper.

Anyways, what was I gonna say... Oh yeah. It seems to me that most "punks" i meet aren't really "punk" at all. They're in such a hurry to get self-righteous, define everyone around them, and scream "sellout"... they defeat their own supposed ideals. Screaming "sellout" and acting self-righteous is the least punk attitude available, man. It seems that most punks i run into nowadays are only punks because they couldn't make the football team and all the pretty girls ignore them ^_^
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silentbob thast such an immature mentality and most punky kids under 17 are guilty and it worries me when i see people older than that still caught up with those kinds of matters.
its like "Who cares?" there are other bands to listen to, dont be so pissy

Try to quote sources like Jello Biafra, Henry Rollins, Jeff Ott of fifteen, and Ian McKaye of Fugazi/minor threat
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silentbob thast such an immature mentality and most punky kids under 17 are guilty and it worries me when i see people older than that still caught up with those kinds of matters.
its like "Who cares?" there are other bands to listen to, dont be so pissy

Try to quote sources like Jello Biafra, Henry Rollins, Jeff Ott of fifteen, and Ian McKaye of Fugazi/minor threat
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sarcasticbob gee blather, thanks for letting me know i blathered the same thing twice 020419
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lo i'm not a punk or anything else for that matter but i saw a funny scene at the asbury park skate and surf fest. one punk kid talking to his friend about some other punk kid passing by all decked out in spikes and patches and the like. he says "you can tell that kid is just in it for the style" i looked at him and the one he was judging. they looked exactly alike.
just the way it goes i guess
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Daria EEEWWWW! Gag never has any form of music same so closely related to pop. Ick. 020423
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green eyes saFEtY-pInS 020423
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Throwback One thing that makes me laugh is the apparent need some "punk" kids feel to say the f-word "Fuck this, fuck that, fuck that fuckin' thing" over and over, like it's some sort of "punk" requirement. Just an odd little tidbit i've noticed ^_^ 020424
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silentbob i've actually noticed everyone does this. 020424
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Daria Yah, I think punk is fuckin' stupid. 020425
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Daria Yah, I think punk iz fuckin' stupid. 020425
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poeticmisfit i've found that thugs and preppies have the uncontrolable desire to bash on punks because they are entirely too different for their wn style. have you ever hear a prep say "fuck"? then WOAH....oh my goodness, preps say fuck too much too. and what about thugs? look at rap...look at there music and tell me that "fuck" is not laced through their musical approach to life.
fuck is fuck. there is no stereotype you can put it in, it just is.

punk is not just a fashion, or even what words you say. its a lifestyle, a life itself. why must people continue to dillude it into a teeny-bopper life? why, being a teen, do i feel like i should be put in a showcase on MTV and labeled into a fashion in order to be accepted by the world?
*she sceams*

FUCK THE WORLD!
(hahaa...ok sorry.)
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she Fly, Punkass, Fly 020723
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Freak People who claim to be punk are always the people who never fit in anywhere else and just went to punk as a place to go so they can say that they are something or someone sense they are all just no one. No one could convince me otherwise. I know thats the way it is.

Yeah, Im punk.
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targetemployee are kilts punk?


what about red white and blue friendship braclets?


can my dog be considered punk?


what about my gay older brother?
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phil drugged white hypocrite 020810
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phil who fail to explain anything 020810
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melissah i wish i was alive in the true days of punk.

alas, today's youth, metalheads, skater-punks, goths...we do not know our roots...
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kerry it makes me sad to see people so consumed with working hard to fit into a certain genre. after reading this entire blathe i still feel the same way i did before... because it's all about attitude, people who try to be punk AREN'T, and i dont know if i'm cut out to be a punk or not but i sure as hell would like to have the satisfaction of not caring at all what people think of me. but i do, and i suppose this_is_normal, and i guess it's normal to be scared to take a stand even if people are against you, and if that's what punk is, and I think it is, then i know i'm not punk. but i'd really like to be. 020811
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jonbecker02 You don't have to dress like a punk to be a punk. 020812
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phil yeah...you do 020818
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silentbob the first rule of punk rock is you do not talk about punk rock 020819
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phil probably the punk rock girl 020821
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clever name the unabomber was punk. ted kaczynski didn't give a shit about breaking arbitrary cultural norms that try to dictate who we're allowed to blow up. and the hair... punk as fuck 020821
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silentbob funk as puck 020821
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myplasticmind blink 182 is *not* punk.

i love punk.

i hate blink 182.

therefore- blink 182 can not be punk. it just doesn't work.

*oh the controversy of the world we live in today...what next?*
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silentbob so what it all comes down to is a deductive reasoning based on your opinion?

i like punk, but i hate pain, therefore its not punk to get peircings.


just an observation.
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myplasticmind *wonders if its actually really up to her*
It's weird to think about....what if everything you thought was the hardcore-right-there-bottom-line TRUTH. Like if you just woke up and said " Peaches suck." It would make peaches actually suck. I think that kind of power would most definitly be abused. I think thats what it is with God...

ANyways...no, I was just being sarcastic. Sorry
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silentbob will you go out with me? 020830
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myplasticmind will you make me some orange juice? 020904
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*nat* the easy way into rock 020905
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silentbob you want me to squeeze it from the orange cow? or defrost from concentrate? 020905
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~gez~ why dont you defrost the cow from its eternal [obviously not] resting place in the sheets of artic ice, then link it to a sucking machine

rocks
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myplasticmind i think the artic-sucking-machine thingy sounds good. and if it's not too much bother...could you sift the pulp out with your teeth?
that would be lovely
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poeticmisfit punk is a body of water that only drains when you scream at it....
ahahaha.
yeah
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jayseehc punk is who you are. the ideology of the world, even of the punks of this world, in time will come to ruin. I suggest that everyone who is putting their trust and their life into punk rock begin to search for answers. Search for something truly steadfast. I did. For me, Punk Rock will never be hollow and empty again. 020910
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silentbob yeah man, punk rock is ronald regan, in his wheel chair, drooling and not remembering things, being who he is. punk rock is george dubya bush defending his beliefs for his country. punk rock is bill gates, fighting those bastards who just don't seem to understand him. 020910
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jayseehc bob... don't twist my words...

if I have to spell it out for you like you're a three year old, then fine.

punk rock is ABOUT who you are. whether you're punk rock DEPENDS on who you are. NOT how you dress or what music you listen to.

don't be ignorant. ignorance is really un-punk.
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xdlea he was making a joke... just fucking around... lighten up. 020910
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Ballantine Ferry Corsten - Punk , definatly one song which can put a smile on your dial, anytime, anywhere. 020911
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silentbob and i would NEVER want to be unpunk would i?

"punk rock is ABOUT who you are. whether you're punk rock DEPENDS on who you are. NOT how you dress or what music you listen to."

if you read it enough times it begins to lose all meaning.
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Shane why do you people feel the need to talk on and on about what punk is? it's something that just is. people who feel the need to justify their punk-ness are the opposite of what punk is. what is punk? different to everyone. so just go with the flow and there are no such things as posers and sell outs. 020922
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think about that why do you feel the need to criticise us and tell us what to do? 020922
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phil I just have to mention in here I am a bigger punk ass than you. You're a bunch of punk bitches, you'r whore life is spent dwindling the rays of my punkin' endevour, you vast to scale the reach of my failure...degree and stuff! I will never die! Eat apples! 020923
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Mallory punk is cool. whether it be music a mindset a fashion statment. But its also bull. Each one of us is a posuer. Everyone cares what others think. its in our nature. sure some people are more uninhibited but its all the same. I mean disliking bands that hit mainstream. thats so stupid! I mean disliking something because its trendy is just as bad as if that was the only reason you liked it. we are all shaped by our environment. we are all molded. none of us are free from rules, society, the norm. "punks" just do the opposite from the norm and pretend they are fighters, revolutionarys. They're posuers just like everyone else. i think everyone just needs to focus on why they are punk, or prep or jock. and then strip themselves of titles. Just be you. If you truly are your self you wont fit in a category. Everyone is a beautiful and unique snowflake. 021001
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silentbob if everyone is a poser just like everyone else... then thats not posing is it? what about people who don't try to classify themselves, and just like what they think is good and don't care what other peoples opinion of their favorite bands are, it doesn't change their appreciation for it. is that posing? 021002
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Mallory What i mean is that no one is free from caring about the opinions of others. And whether you would like to admit or not it shapes you. You just cant help it. And i know everyone likes to say "i dont care, i like my favorite bands, whatever." and maybe you are true your music, i pretty much am, but other peoples opinions do afeect in some ways. Its just a depressing truth.

P.s. love the name silentbob
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silentbob you're right, in one way or another someones opinions do affect you somehow in some cases. maybe not in music in every case. i mean, as long as you are hearing someone else's opinion of whatever band you listen to, it is going to affect you, because people are affected by everything even if it is the most miniscule unnoticable way. but in some cases, people don't mention what bands they like, and so it never gets brought up, so if no one ever says, "I hate this band" but they actually do, then you wont be affected by their opinion. 021003
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alora Punk rock died with Sid. 021003
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gay gizmo ferry corsten - punk

anyone interested in hard trance i extremely suggest you check this track out
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silentbob no it didn't. 021003
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jayseehc silentbobisanass 021003
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julietlives its the chance to leave one conformity, and join another. 021115
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Erika you people are dumbasses, punk is punk, there are no rules to it! If you beleive you're "punk" then you fuckin are! the people who are really posers are the people that think there are so many fuckin rules to be it! And yes, if I had to label myself, but fuck labels all you posers would think I was punk, I am a "Hardcore" punk, which is what you people probably don't even understand what it is. I have black and blue hair, my lip is pierced, I am in a band, and I play bass, also I'm a chic, so figure your shit out before you talk! And don't hold strong beleifs about shit you don't understand! 030726
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riddalin neurosis i agree with erika, for non confromists yall seem pretty fucking obsessed with conforming to rules and standards of non conformity. Non conformity (or punk as a movement) isnt doing what everyone else isnt, its being your own way independenetly of other peoples thoughts and opinons, being a non conformist is all about not giving a fuck what other people think, and growing the nads to do things your own way. So one thing is for sure, agureing about what punk is DEFENETLY isnt fucking punk... 030727
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User24 agrees with both above. 030727
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FireNRoses "Quote"
"What is punk?" I kick over a trash can and say, "That is punk." So he kicks over a trash can and says, "That's punk?" "No, that's trendy"
"Unquote"
"I feel like one of those people who suddenly shaved their heads and said they'd always been punk"
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silentbob well, erika, if you'd notice the dates, no one has said anything about this topic in nearly a year. for all you know, those people have taken the same punk rock class you took, and are well on their way to being your definition of it.

and while you're spouting off accusations about "shit people know nothing about" or "something we can't understand" i'd suggest calming down and flipping on vh1 to see "25 Years of Punk" to educate yourself to the fact that punk happened before you were born, and that everything that is going on right now, is just bastardized versions of it, and that most the people who are into it now, will grow out of it, much like a phase. and their "Punx Not Dead" tattoos will be rendered completely useless.

also, thank you for letting us know that most of your punk rock values come from how you dress. i award you 500 scene points.
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rotten old bastard if you have to tell people how punk you are, you ain't 030728
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silentbob Also: for those of you who are getting all mad that people are constantly blathing on here trying to define what punk is, i suggest going to the love blathe and demand why they keep trying to define what love is.

its just a word, that has meanings and people are trying to figure it out, and calling them dumbasses isn't solving anything.
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riddalin neurosis let us all cease talking shit let us all, silent who is not silent bob toke a doobie and chill the fuck out. i wasnt trying to piss off "old skool" punks, just illustrating that deviations from sanity or non conformity dosnt nessicarily mean conforming to not conforming, do whatever the fuck you like, and to hell with normalicy, and if that coincidies with normalicy SO BE IT.

ive had metal driven into my lips also but wear whatever contrasts with defined categories for shits and giggles. mainly to screw with the heads of people trying to put me into a predefined category (ie ).

Dropping acid and smoking pot isint trying to be a hippie, and pirceings dont make me a punk, I just LIKE weed and i LIKE metal driven into my lips its FUN!!

(or were you even talking to me?)

Just trying to short circit mental subversion on a planetary scale in order to help potental non conformists/fellow madmen experience universal proportions of the global scale (signifying the irrelevance of our existence), thus bringing about the sociological revolution against our imaginary nexus of consumeristic insanity (or our revolution against that which is not, delusional meglomania/security blanket)....

dont mind me,

just one "crazy" bastard against five billion.... i mean no offense.
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riddalin neurosis and yes, i am pretty fucking close to finishing.... The Manifesto.... ;) 030728
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silentbob loves you no, i wasn't talking to you, but i appreciate your effort to try to make people calm down, rather than get all punkier-than-thou like some people. 030728
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crimson Kids are unorigional to the point of trying to revive/dress like punk, grunge, hippies, whatever.
Going to Hottopic for $56 "Punk Pants" and shopping for inenti-Pseudo-Sixties clothing. Blink 128 and Good Charolotte CDs.

::shudder::

I agree, dropping acid and getting piercings does not make you a punk or a hippie, it's just something you enjoy doing.
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shoccolo tragically, it's dead.

and all we're left with is a weeping resemblance, amongst the emo kids.
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bread this is dead 030824
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bread this is dead 030824
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sabbie i will post here
and lament that none of the Youth understand what Punk really is.
i will refute blink 182
i will sigh over spiky hair
and shake my head over the fashion sence of those children who think that punk is less than ten years old.

i will complain that those Other Than Me are purchasing pre-made punk for exorbatant prices from Trendy stores, and listening to the Wrong kind of music.

and thus i will impress you all
with how Hardcore and Old Skool i am.
while pretending that it's not what i'm doing.

because i am the very epitome of punk, and you all better believe it, or
i'll come around to your house and glass you, nut you in the head, stomp on you with my 18 up docs and nick your wallet.
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tortuous i asked you for a light, you looked up and smiled. the first words out of your mouth was "finally, i'm not alone". i saw your clothes. your sidebag with all your patches and buttons. your unkept hair and your pink docs. at first i thought you refreshing, so opinionated. a wellspring of thought. so long i thought you creative. you wouldn't be swayed by the norms of society. but you became something else to me. your opinions were no longer creative or fresh. they were closed-minded rambles. like the sounds of a grumby old man complaining about the youth of today. you say you would never do this or that. never go into those store and buy that mainstream stuff. like you were on strike you shunned those who did. i remember your favorite band and i remember when you pouted when they appeared on mtv one day. like your own personal world had just been corrupted. you call yourself a hardcore punk. i call you a close-minded bitch. 030826
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nomatter There is no punk anymore. It's all gone to hell. I think so. 030915
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BiZzY i fink that there are 2 differenttypes of punk. American punk (Greenday and Blink 182) and British punk (The Sex Pistols)
American punk is all laid back wiv sneakers and long shorts. But British punk is....well....it's random. Leather jackets wiv metal studs
I like British punk. I like Britain. Proud, proud.....
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BiZzY i fink that there are 2 different types of punk. American punk (Greenday and Blink 182) and British punk (The Sex Pistols)
American punk is all laid back wiv sneakers and long shorts. But British punk is....well....it's random. Leather jackets wiv metal studs
I like British punk. I like Britain. Proud, proud.....
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silentbob that is very silly considering all of those bands come from completely different eras.
there are a lot of different kinds of punks and you will find all kinds in both britain and the us
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birdmad This guy's obviously never listened to Rancid or Black_Flag or The Germs or Stooges -era Iggy Pop or early Suicidal_Tendencies or even the Ramones and it's sad that if green day and Blah-182 are his only conception of American Punk

and BiZzy, how can you not mention the_clash? the_damned , Siouxsie_and_the_banshees ? in every respect at least, if not more important than the Pistols (who i enjoy, but, come on they've only got an album and a half worth of material out and they were really just Malcolm McLaren's pet project)
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damian I am English and I'm into punk. As far as i am concerned there is no better punk than the straight edge movement in D.C. in the 80's. The Clash are obviously fucking amazing and there is very little point in calling that green dayesque west coast power pop shit punk anyway. In short there is lots of good punk all over the shop and if truth be told nowhere is the punk movement more dead than in the U.K. at the moment, 030925
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Kolumbia Overrated. Punk died in the 80s. It was fun while it lasted, but please, don't ride a dead horse. 031022
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Lily punk never died in the eighties, u retard. punk will never die. 031207
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zeke 1977 was the year. I was there in CBGBs in New York. I saw most of it at the beginning. Some cool stuff happened after that but was mostly derivative or Sex Pistols cloning. hardcore is not punk. In Englang punk was (for me) Stranglers, Wire, the Jam, and to a lesser degree Ultravox (with Jon Foxx) . To me it all comes from the Velvet underground and the glam scene. Punk is not clothes and anger. 031208
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*Ash* I say punk is not what people want it to be it's just who you FUCKING are .... ok im so sick & tired of PREPY bitchs saing there punk & how cool it is to have ONE FREAKEN Sex Pistols CD & never even hear of them in your life honestly it's pethic & i feel bad for them & wanna beat the shit out of them at the same time. 040116
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Kat Watz wit people and their judgeing punk they all want everyone too look the same wat fun is that.....I hate people who jusdge people by just the sight of them if i see someone that i dont like somein just walk by and dont waste ur time critisizein!! 040131
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micky jo I don't understand how something I love so much is something I also hate to say because it sounds so corrupt

Punk is this. Plain and simple. Think about and you will agree. If you don't, you will in a few years I promise.

Punk is an age you hit, where everything seems like bullshit. Then you find something pure, Punk. A show, a CD, a book. Something triggers you into a scene and you feel reborn. Then you see people abusing your new religion. Infidels in eighty dollar plaid pants that come with safety pins and listening to pop bands that play fast. You go thru a phase of being elite. This lasts until you realize "We were all posers once." You accept those trying to find their place, and ignore the ones who are trying to be trendy. One day though you realize those you thought were pure, have alliterative motives. You distrust now, and learn to think on your own COMPLETELY. Even the coolest punks are often dicks.
Finally, if you are lucky and honest, you find yourself, and the scene you once loved so much is still there, but you know it's a meeting place for like minds. Not euphoria. Then you know real punk and real life, and you are at peace.

Tell me I am wrong...
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jenny enny dots maybe i should have posted on punk_music. i mostly enjoy pop-like punk maybe because i'm a girl and it's more cheerful. but you have to admit that it still rocks and it's fast enough that if it were a car, you'd certainly get pulled over. i am a fan of ramones, greenday, soup dragons (they did have a punk sound back then). i occasionally like harder stuff like black flag, gbh, and circle jerks. 040201
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Preps will die and punks will take over MUHAHAHA PREPS ARE FUCKING STUPID!!! Really!!! They are!!! They walk around the fucking place acting like their "soooo hip and cool!!" and really their just a bunch of fucking lozers who just wanna be in a "popular group". COME ON PUNKS AND GOTHS EVERY WHERE .. But that's total bull shit, man!! GRR!!! It gets me pissed off when ever people tell me who I should be!!! but ofcourse i come from a school that has all the preppy people there :/ that sux hey? well i guess i better go now... lata 040218
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yes me. notice how a new word has entered recently? "PREPPIES" another word that means nothing. Try to look behind it and you'll find shadows of ideas, just like punk, and "poser". Once you slap that cover on something pure nobody can look behind it again. Now they take it and rape it. Shape it in their minds until it was meaningless. But that doesn't mean the idea is dead. You can't bottle the feeling, the idea. "Punk" or whatever it is, will not be dead, because beauty never dies.

later.
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P U N X Disobedience is man's original virtue. It is through disobedience that progress has been made. - Oscar Wilde

yeah I nicked the quote off of the back of a CapDown album. So fucking what? Go and listen to them.
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Elyse im going to marry a punk in two weeks.

i love his hair and patches
and his ora. but mostly i love
him, Eddie. 3
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SOiBECOME making your own rules, with your middle finger up and your head held high. it's not a fashion statement at all, it's in your head and it's in your heart. it doesn't die. 040228
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Ryan Worden This has been stupid... were not all the same... different punks like different bands and different fashions, were not all the same... we are totally different from one another. Like you said, punk is all about individuality and that is what we are practicing. My life is driven every day by the way people come up to me and call me a freak and all that... I have to prove to them that I will be who I am and what they say wont effect me in the least. We are all individuals... everyone... so whoever started this and said that punks are all the same was totally wrong... we strive to be different... what are you??? Everyone else all looks the same to me, maybe instead of punks changing their image, maybe you all should change yours. Maybe someday we will be able to call you a freak. 040310
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p2 according to hungarian notation
a pointer is an unknown
is a pUnk
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JUSTme It all depends on how u judge a prep. if u judge them by there clothes your just as bad as they are judging you as a disobediant druggie. me and my friends where black.. everyday. thenn there is our one friend michelle. she dresses in pink and purple and baby blues. she is a poser trying 2 be a prep... 040311
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fritz Punk WAS living on the streets in the early eighties with dirty old clothing and hair spiked with eggwhites and soap.

Punk was not about being vogue.

Punk was about being in a band to voice your political opinion, not to get famous.
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Lint Lover Being punk is like an orgasm.
Everyone's version is different.
If you have to ask what it is-you're not one and you're not getting or giving one either.
If you go out of your way to announce that you are one(punk)then you aren't or if a woman goes out of her way to announce that she had one(O)then you know for sure that she didn't.
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Priscilla too bad it's dead. 040627
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me problem I see with being punk is that people are like 'lets be different' when they're just like everyone else because they're punk 040701
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tyler waters c'mon people
dead kennedys

what is punk?
oh man, you're gunna love this

1. Dry decayed wood, used as tinder.
2. Any of various substances that smolder when ignited, used to light fireworks.
3. Chinese incense.

adj. Slang
4. Of poor quality; worthless.
5. Weak in spirits or health.
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shoccolo wow.

revisiting this, i see many of you all have very strong ideas of what punk is.

i'm no guru on punk but, by growing up in the time when it really made itself known as a culture, i can only surmise that punk is all that isn't expected, tolerated, nor approved by 'society' [and what the hell is Ďsocietyí now, anyway?] - a total contradiction to today's 'let's sell our individuality' attitude...

punk is the anti-society. it always has been. what i find disturbing is that 'punk' has become a trademark of the trendy; a brand statement of the angst-peddlers, looking to profit from an imminent rebellion, which we'd better face soon, before my patience runs out.

when something is popular, it loses its lustre. kind of like Johnny Rotten's return to the stage.

where was the punk?!

that was NOT the guy who claimed allegiance to nothing. he's now the guy he told us to hate. [if you saw that shameful begging for audience approval, you'd be shaking your head in disgust as well, i assure you.]

punk-schmunk. the radio dials 'alternative' on it's roulette wheel of todayís hottest music, and we all celebrate crap for the sake of being told its 'original'.

when i was a kid, i figured my parents were idiots, who knew shit about shit. honestly though, i've learned you need to understand the references left behind, from past generations, before you can decide their intentions.

if you're striving to be different, because so many other have found success in it, you're not really that different from so many who constantly fail at being happy.
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fritz It was still winter, and Perdona was playing at the first hardcore show of the season. It was freezing outside. We stood in the doorway, keeping warm and watching from a distance. Our jackets were already threadbare, they didn't need to be torn. I could feel the metal studs down my shoulders and the bondage rings sewn into the sleeves. I wished that I smoked so I could have a cigarette to keep warm.

Zach and Ben were there, Brian wasn't. Bubba the skinhead showed up. He was always late. I think he was too cool to show up on time. He always had a cigarette in one hand and a baseball bat in the other. He's always break the bat, but never his smoke, and he'd end up puking blood after the show.

The set was almost over, and Nancy jumped off stage into the pit. She was the most hardcore kid I knew, and never tried to be. I think she was the reason girls hated other girls. She was tough as nails, could scream like nobody's business, and she was so pretty.

We were all tired, some a little high and some a little tipsy. It wasn't worth hanging around for the rest of the show, since all the rest of the bands sounded the same. We drove to Sonic, and drag-raced station wagons over the causeway. We sat outside instead of in cars, the whole gang of us. Skinheads, punk kids, and misfits. Mohawks, bondage jackets, ripped up clothes, bleeding noses, battle scars, playing acoustic guitars, drumming on tables. The waitresses looked relieved that we had to order from outside and scared to come out to serve us.

But we were all good kids. Really. We tried in school, and got good grades, and helped clean up garbage by the side of the road. Some of us smoked, but not all the time, and we only drank when we had something horrible to forget. We let other kids live with us, homeless or ones with really bad families, or found them somewhere, and gave them money for food and clothes and everything. Me and Zach taught this one girl, called herself Kizzy, how to play bass, so she could be in a band. And we all helped to put together a zine every so often, and wrote about everything and drew comics and took pictures and gave it to everyone.

We got an order of everything, and shared all of it. Whoever wanted a bite of something could have it. It sounds dangerous now, getting sick with who knows what. I donít know if we just didnít think of it or we just didnít care. I guess we trusted each other.

There arenít really shows anymore. The scene started dying and itís almost disappeared. Zach moved away, Ben went to college, everyone else got the hell out of here. I donít know what happened to us all. I havenít seen Nancy or Bubba or any of the kids I was so close to for a long time. I canít stand looking back on the years we had so much fun.

Iím not eighteen yet. But Iím getting the hell out of here.
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Jenn punk is a style.. 041024
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phunk Punk is not a style. It is a state of mind. 041214
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KELSO Punk is a state of being,
its gottin away from that an is now a style/label
BUT its not to late to bring it back to the REAL MEANING an STATEMENT
so how bout this! we all stop bitching an tryin to define it when we kno what it means an get out there an DO IT.. get it back to the REAL MEANING...im a proud PUNK an i dont care! i wear wht ever the hell i want even if that is a pair of dickies an a concert t-shirt... thats wht i like to wear doesent matter how you dress (the clothes just reflect the person u are aka PUNK)
its you attitude that really shows if your a true punk or not. an the PUNK ROCK community will see threw those who fake it... SO ok lets stop whining about it we arnt EMO now lmao...
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. another way of trying to be different and ending up same as 050705
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oldephebe I gotta say...the whole anguish of assimilation and contamination by the whole corpus of po-and or mainstream culture is an idea that kind of hung in the air in my home, kind of like the osmotic soup of of my moms and dads de facto inculcation of me and mysiblings.

So while I do not and have not aspired to the sartorial "terrorism" (tongue in cheek) of some of the more ardent and or combative or what is seen as combative merely because its mere existence juxatposed against an insidious mainstream expectations and tastes renders it (mainstream) somehow effete, pedestrian and well can i just say prosaic so I can get another p sound in?

Hee Heee Magic Forest was sooo right about me.

Anyway Blah blah all marginaliszed movements and peoples and cultures and such are cast in this combative stigmatized frame. Why? Everything must evolve and the process of evolution and change on a geologic and biological and societal scale or context is violent. It is tectonic. When I was a razor thin black kid trying to fit in on the mainline I abandoned some of my mothers and fathers 60's and early 70's uhh mindset? no. well. I abandoned the anti-confluencial anti-european anti-mainstream mindset of my parents, I viewed them as being inordinantly radical. I relegated my parents philosophical and political leanings to well...a lack, a recalcitrant and purposeful refusal to to see the reason the greater good of the assimilative and insidious "merit" of the kind of 80's brainwashing, the capitalistic, patriarchal, goostepping that a lot of young folks did back in the 80's. Wear the fake princeton ties and the polyblend oxfords and still over at the periphery of social acceptance...kind of thing that not just racial and ehtnic minorites engaged in but even some females and those whose idelogical roots, those whose very nature,whose egalitarian and environmental and libertarian impulses and instincts were subsumed so they could participate and or navigate in the roiled..septic waters of the Reagan Bush era.
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I'll come back to this....I made several points and abandoned several others without finishing any other them.

But there is considerably less chaffing of my outer thighs since I've switched to a much lighter density and lower thread count type of casual/dress pant.
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God. I mean some of us basically took the manuscript of our lives, our heritage the secret song that fed and inspired us and burned it, rolled it up and buried it in the mounds of the manure that geriatric, disconcertingly palsied figure head mouthed.
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oldephebe I gotta say...the whole anguish of assimilation and contamination by the whole corpus of po-and or mainstream culture is an idea that kind of hung in the air in my home, kind of like the osmotic soup of of my moms and dads de facto inculcation of me and mysiblings.

So while I do not and have not aspired to the sartorial "terrorism" (tongue in cheek) of some of the more ardent and or combative or what is seen as combative merely because its mere existence juxatposed against an insidious mainstream expectations and tastes renders it (mainstream) somehow effete, pedestrian and well can i just say prosaic so I can get another p sound in?

Hee Heee Magic Forest was sooo right about me.

Anyway Blah blah all marginaliszed movements and peoples and cultures and such are cast in this combative stigmatized frame. Why? Everything must evolve and the process of evolution and change on a geologic and biological and societal scale or context is violent. It is tectonic. When I was a razor thin black kid trying to fit in on the mainline I abandoned some of my mothers and fathers 60's and early 70's uhh mindset? no. well. I abandoned the anti-confluencial anti-european anti-mainstream mindset of my parents, I viewed them as being inordinantly radical. I relegated my parents philosophical and political leanings to well...a lack, a recalcitrant and purposeful refusal to to see the reason the greater good of the assimilative and insidious "merit" of the kind of 80's brainwashing, the capitalistic, patriarchal, goostepping that a lot of young folks did back in the 80's. Wear the fake princeton ties and the polyblend oxfords and still over at the periphery of social acceptance...kind of thing that not just racial and ehtnic minorites engaged in but even some females and those whose idelogical roots, those whose very nature,whose egalitarian and environmental and libertarian impulses and instincts were subsumed so they could participate and or navigate in the roiled..septic waters of the Reagan Bush era.
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I'll come back to this....I made several points and abandoned several others without finishing any other them.

But there is considerably less chaffing of my outer thighs since I've switched to a much lighter density and lower thread count type of casual/dress pant.
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God. I mean some of us basically took the manuscript of our lives, our heritage the secret song that fed and inspired us and burned it, rolled it up and buried it in the mounds of the manure that geriatric, disconcertingly palsied figure head mouthed.
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should be should have written:..and still HOVER at the social periphery of a social and economic system that at best tolerated my token presence because I was culturally and ideologically neutured. And reflected back to them the merit of thier patriarchal and condescending and conditional *acceptance (read limited, and severely stipulated condition on that limited "acceptance") My mother STILL refers to me as being euro-centric because of my speech and bearing and what not. So I'll never really be a radical or punk or a revolutionary per se, but at least I can see the superior moral and social and philosophic vision of my parents *Jeffersonian and Pan African (*there i go again) radicalism.

Though I still think PETA goes a bit to far.
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oldephebe Well...I'mm trying to stay away from amking too many broad and sweeping denunciations and unqualified appraisals so I'll amend my last statement by saying the following: So now I can see the merit of what I BELIEVE to be the moral, ideological and philosophical planks of my parents at times incensed radicalism. Though I'm not sure if I agreed with some of the tactics that they not neccessarily engaged in per se but on many occasioned whole heartedly sanctioned.
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nor if you dont know -- fuck off 050718
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a hole dito 050919
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DIY till I die friendship and friends.
fucking activism.
Fucking feminism
fucking anarchy.
fucking rights.
fucking music


UP THE PUNX!!!
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Todd Punk is a way of life.
Punk went down-hill when it got sub groups. There are right wing punkers like me.
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zeke "punk" went downhill when it was issued a costume, a uniform if you will. it is an attitude. like existentialism, punk suffers from definition. ultimately it is akin to nihilism. in my humble opinion, if you say you are, you ain't; you are something else.

kids in costumes. aging rockers. sad poseurs.

and the quiet (or loud) avant garde who can do nothing other than move the edge of culture. you know them when you become aware of them. they are the other. for me, that is the essence of punk.

the center is rotten, fetid in it's own decay. let it wear it's costume and it's stage makeup. it is irrelevant.

as to cultural leanings, i find it difficult to separate the idea of autonomous identity, true social anarchy if you will, from the individualism implied by the aesthetic tendencies of "punk". "right wing punk" sounds oxymoronic to me. but that's just me.
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reue here we are again.
give it another go?
what is it that draws us together?
maybe its lust, maybe we're just looking for something in each other.
something we've lost and are struggling to find again.
weeekend visits, blanketed by excitement, we hold each other and stay up all night.
we have the stupidest conversations and they're funny, enjoyable - just sigh and go to sleep.
here we are again.
i'm tired and stressed, the long days are showing on my face.
i'm sleeping correctly and trying to straighten up my life.
i'm not bounding for joy and you think i'm depressed.
wth!? i CAN'T get depressed!
but still you get down, you fall into that addicting habit of being upset.
is it my fault?
you don't want me touching you, and what do i do now?
just leave? you'll be ever worse.
stay? you'll fucking resent me more for it.
a break apart... great idea, i find it amusing that we need one so soon.
"If you want to try to make this work, you can't be unhappy."
Right. I'm NOT unhappy, at least i wasn't. if i was unhappy i wouldn't have come over.
if anything, i can't keep YOU happy.
fuck.
what keeps drawing us together?
loneliness? it seems more and more like this.
i thought you had changed so much, but it seems like i was wrong.
people don't change, last night was an instant reply of 3 years ago. hell, its even the same damned month.
its said that history has a way of repeating itself: yea, maybe it does... or maybe we're both too damned stubborn to admit fault. too expectant of eachother to be 'the best thing'.
i know why we keep seeing eachother. when we're alone, we want anything. when we have something or someone fulfill that role, we're ecstatic.
once we're in a relationship, we expect something more... and we're both wrong.
i can't give you want you want, and you'll never be content with what i can give you.
here we are again.
in for another ride.
i hope you get what you want.
i hope you the best, and i hope that is with me.
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reue they say all good things come to an end.
it seems all the bad things end too.
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yourmumsboyfriend ok i know this has been dead for a while..but im just wondering you say to call yourself punk means you arent punk, but if you didnt how could you be punk, yes you belive in the true ideals and do what you think is right and all those other things that are in the punk idealology but you cant call yourself punk? to me that just seems a little odd... 060208
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starboy is dead. 060208
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z i need to look up those entries in THE PUNK IDEOLOGY. i lost my copy, can i borrow yours?

seriously, alienation and individuality and the rejection of labels, the norm and the status quo are aspects of what i might include IF i tried to define punk. those and the ones you listed above can be applied to many social definitions. likewise is a inclination towards a post-modern aesthetic, simplicity bordering on crudeness and the rejection of the overtly decorative can be included. but these are merely symptoms of the larger disease, not qualifying characteristics. when i say: if you say you are you probably are not is a rhetorical conceit, not a principle. still, it might be true.
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XxTeenagexDirtbagxX 1) To any one who is reading this to become "punk" you're a poser / will be.
2) To any one claiming punk is your way of life. You're a poser just as well..
Why?
There is no such thing as punk. It's just a word, a stereotype, a label. A label people put on other human beings.
-I look up these kinds of threads, just for fun. For a good laugh.
If there was a defintion for it, it would be something like :
*Not caring what any one thinks of you. Not caring who's listening. Not caring who's watching. Not caring who's caring.
*Being yourself, standing up for what you believe in.
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It's not how you dress, what you listen to for music, not who you hang out with, and not what you do on your weekends.
It's just being yourself, all the time.
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Xx-AnarchyKisses-xX Punk isn't just an image, it's a state of mind. Wearing rips and safety pins doesn't make you punk, and owning a sex pistols album doesn't help much either. It's about what you stand for and the constant belief that you can and will do something about it. Punk bands just sing about it - and they rock!!! Wooo!!! I'm only 14 and I am absolutley 100% into punk music but I don't call myself a punk! I was unfortunatley born a little too late! :P But punks rocks because they don't care what people think about them, coz they're doing their own thing that they feel is right, and that's what it's all about. AnarchyKisses xX 060620
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tasha What is Punk? Punk isn't just about the music or just about the way you dress. Punk is a lifestyle. One in which you couldn't care less what anyone else thinks about you. You are who you are and nothing can change that, no matter how hard anyone tries. I'm fed up of people saying that bands aren't punk anymore because they've became successful. Take Green Day, for instance, once they were a small band who played to a few people in friends houses and basements. Now they've became big, all those 'friends' supposedly 'punk' have turned their backs on them, saying that green day aren't punk anymore, they're too popular. (and if you are punk and think that about Green Day, I don't particularly think you deserve to be Punk you obviously don't know the first thing about punk). They are exactly the same people as they were 16 years ago. The only difference is that their talent has been recognised. To me Green Day are as punk as anybody could possible get. They may not dress as extreme as others or their music may not be as hard as some may wish, but just think about it, punk is who you are and sticking to your beliefs. Punk is being different, a minority, one who doesn't follow they crowds silently, but expresses their differences and are proud of it. So if anyone ever questions punk again, or thinks 'all my friends have turned punk, i think i should too' go get yourself a life, and sort it out, you're not punk you're just trying to follow the crowds again, you're a fake, a prosthetic head, a plastic barbie doll... 060723
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whispering shadows punk started as a wonderful thing- defy all categories and labels to just be you.
but as always the media gets hold of it and comershaises(sp) it, and now he have hot topics with pre-packaged punk rock. and crappy corporate spin off bands.
take me back to the 70's-80ís and the hight of punk-true punk-and im a happy person.

Live your life the way you want it
D.I.Y.
In your life your cloths and your choices
Thatís all it takes- no plaid is necicary ( tho I love it) no hair die- no anything but you being true to your self

Hence it will never die as long as there are still people who donít cair what others thing and are them sefs thu and thu

Today someone asked me what the definition of punk was. I kicked over a tin garbage can. "That" I replied "was punk." He kicked over another can and says ď thatís punk?Ē
ďnoĒ I say ď thatís trendyĒ

sounds cleshie but think it over

And ďsafety pin birdĒ and ď silentbobĒ youíre my idols
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[:T_o_x_i_c___C_y_b_o_r_g:] I like old some school punk OI! 061116
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[:T_o_x_i_c___C_y_b_o_r_g:] REAL punk would be: the UK Subs, the SUB HUM ANS, the Exploited, 45 grave, Operation Ivy, the Buzzcocks, Motorhead, The Outsiders, Atrix, Circle Jerks, The Clash, Blunt Instrument, Against All Autority, but their the only punk bands I like everthing else is pure industrial, ebm!!!!!!! 061116
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justXanotherXgirl Punk Is a lifestyle, its not a fashion statment, its a form of music, fashion, and life! 061116
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NiKF Punk doesn't die

It's a set of thoughts , not style

Anarchy = Freedom , to Be free, Out of
the system, Chaos.

Chaos is to be used to balance the
nothingness(the most state of peace),
chaos is not a bad way, it's just
part of the whole, and I assure you
lawful orders those bring the utmost
peace, is not what the mankind wants
either.

Punk and Anarchy doesn't and will never
die as long as mankind exists.
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