imbeciles work makes my head hurt you write: if (iterator.hasNext()) { do whatever; } it's *not* the same as: while (itereator.hasNext() { do whatever; } the first will only do whatever once, which defeats the purpose of using an iterator. if you are trying to do whatever to a collection, once is not going to work. I can't believe these people got paid over 1.5 million dollars to create this dysfuctional clusterfuck of an application, and now I have to figure it all out and fix it. grrrr. 030225 ... Whitechocolatewalrus What is an iterator? 031107 ... Whitechocolatewalrus I do like clusterfuck though, it seems to me that you might call an imbecile a clusterfuck. 031107 what's it to you? who go blather from