insight_into_capricorn Dafremen "Riders on the storm Riders on the storm Into this house we're born Into this world we're thrown..." -Jim Morrison and The Doors "Riders on The Storm" Ahhh Cappy. Such is your fate from day one it seems. The silent riders. plodding along through life's trials, bearers of burdens and sufferers of setbacks. One would feel sorry for you, but let's face it, no sign is better equipped to face the harshest test that their ruling planet Saturn has to offer in quiet, reserved dignity than you folks. Besides, whining and complaining isn't particularly practical now is it? No, better to straighten one's shirt, dust off ones pants and continue on. The admirable strength of Capricorn people and their surety of purpose, practicality of vision is more often than not, a steady pillar for the rest of us, less stable types. Why not? No sign is better organized, more endowed with the vision and executive ability to carry a plan to it's conclusion than Capricorn. These Children of the Earth Element, they say, are born old and get younger as the years go by. It is said that they have the practicality and wisdom of old men and women shortly after birth, soft spoken and reserved, practical and responsible, and that the slow transformation that allows them to return to the magical realm of the child in their later years, is a gift from Father Time...Saturn itself. However, Saturn is also a demanding influence who asks that we discipline ourselves or face being disciplined by the trials of life. Nowhere is this influence more apparent than in the lives of Capricorn people themselves. They teach us, by their very nature that though the tests of time may be harsh, they are fair, necessary and that the rewards are almost always worth the effort. Cappies are cautious, dependable, sometimes stern and grumpy, but always with a hidden sweetness that they only VERY carefully reveal, and THEN only shyly, in half expectation of rejection, for such is their conservative nature. Cappies are PROBABLY not too impressed with most of my silly, inconsequential air-talk.(Like my reactive tail-chasing arguments, for instance.) It is too impractical, to superficial and fluffy for them. It has no SUBSTANCE most of the time and Capricorns want MEAT with their potatoes, they require things to MATTER in order for those things to be worth their time. In fact, Capricorns don't WANT the potatoes, just the meat. Leave the petty trivialities to others more inclined to that sort of thing and good riddance! Capricorn is too busy working HARD to be silly OR superficial. Chit-chat simply will not do for most Cappies. Enough said, because redundancy probably doesn't sit too well with them either. It's just not PRACTICAL and down-to-EARTH enough for the Goats. Dependability, trustworthiness, family (especially dear Ma-ma), realistic perspective and practical deduction are what matter to Cappie. Good work ethic, ability to learn from their mistakes, stick-to-it-iveness, adherance to priorities, patience, generosity (with loved ones or close friends usually, and then only up to a practical point), tenderness of heart, self control/composure, and the ability to keep their personal secrets better than ANY sign...EVEN Scorpio or Cancer, THESE are some of Cappies qualities. Dependability means SO much to Capricorns in fact, that QUITE often, if a Capricorn friend feels that he didn't come through for you, he will apologize PROFUSELY. "I'm so sorry, man. Sorry. Seriously, I'm sorry." My buddy ICE (who I adore as a human being and respect as a friend and family man) was constantly doing that, even though anyone who KNEW him, knew that he had done EVERYTHING in his power to follow through with what he had said.(He also has the offical Dafremen museum in his basement, I'm willing to bet money it's still their...unless his Aquarian missus chucked the stuff. Heheh) Cappies are the best of people, even when they're being the worst of people and it's just very hard to dislike one for any but IMPRACTICAL reasons. How I do drone on..enough! I'll let Professor Seward tell you more about the wonderful Goats of the Zodiac. 021020 ... Dafremen These people will never show their real worth until they are left to assume some definite responsibility, and once they feel this resting upon their shoulders they will arise to the emergency of the occasion. They must be told, in effect, "It is up to you to make good." feeling that certain obligations rest upon them, and that they are expected to produce results, they work with renewed energy. They then throw themselves with much enthusiasm into great prokects and enterprises which promise material returns in proportion to their magnitude. The superior mentality of the Capricorn nature, its fixity of purpose and continued activity, usually brings their huge undertakings to successful completion. Those born in these degrees of the Zodiac are naturally studious and inclined to deep thinking. Many of the world's great philosophers as well as business men, have come out of this sign. Some of the most prominent are Sir Isaac Newton, Daniel Webster, William E. Gladstone and Woodrow Wilson. As a rule, they have a high admiration for inellectual excellence, and an ambition to emulate it. Even among those of ordinary education there is a consuming desire for more learning, and they are not content until they have gained all the knowledge possible. Education and culture are essential to proper development of the Capricorn nature, and with these they become broadminded, liberal and tolerant, and are capable of accomplishing the great things of the world. They have great confidence in their ability to manage their own affairs. Capricorn people practice economy to a greater extent, perhaps, than people of any other sign. Always being able to devise ways and means of meeting obligations, they are among the best financial managers. They have a strong desire for power and wealth, yet they are not always successful in aquiring the latter. Still, their pride never deserts them in poverty. It is unfortunate if they chance to be born in poverty, for failing to receive or achieve those things to which they believe themselves entitled, and not being inspired to effort by results that might have been sufficient to others, they permit themselves to sink to the lowest depths of despondency. The desire of the Capricorn nature to maintain a prosperous appearance and to keep pace with fashionable aristocracy and to live in luxury and ease, with aspirations to be above the level of the masses, frequently causes them much embarrassment and distress. When Capricorn people are aware of the true ideals in life and strife to attain them, they become very set in their religious ideas and do not readily accept radical statements on the subject, and frequently become tireless, enthusiastic and effective workers, being most valuable members of the church of their choice. Saturn, the evil planet, brings to these people many ups and downs in life and it is seldom, if ever, that their affairs run smoothly for any great length of time; and while they invariably climb to the top round of the ladder in the business world, yet it is not often accomplished without great difficulty. Thrift and energy enable them to pull through many hardships and trying circumstances, the burdens of which they bear unflinchingly. The natural faults of this sign are distrust of self and vanity. When these faults are analyzed it will be seen that they arise mainly from too constant mental dwelling on the material needs and desires, and from considerable self-love. These people seem to imagine their worries and anxieties to be not only of the most importance, but also that they are of great interest to others. Then they are led to indiscretions of speech as to the quantity and manner which cause them considerable trouble. Those who make careful and critical study of themselves, thus discovering their weak points, and who set diligently to work to overcome these weaknesses, are the people of this sign who achieve success and honor. - The Zodiac and Its Mysteries Capricorn Chapter 021020 ... Dafremen Almost every Capricorn is devoted to relatives and family, sometimes grudgingly, and with a sigh of resignation, but nevertheless, devoted. Once in a while one of those typical family-worshiping Cappies enters an associaton or relationship with the rare kind of Goat who has, for heavy and soul-wrenching reasons, cut ties with his or her family. The first or typical Cappy will deeply sympathize with such a situation, and have the good sense not to nag the other about it, but he or she will be secretly very deeply affected and will treat the Goat who is separated from "family" with unusual gentleness and compassion. From youth through adulthood, until the reverse aging syndrome begins, Capricorns are dyed-in-the-wool realists. They face life squarely,without flinching. When life socks it to them, they don't whine, complain or try to pin the blame on someone else. They simply get up, dust themselves off and make a practical decision about how to turn their failure into at least a semblance of success. These people will figure the most deviously deliberate ways to attempt to salvage something of value from any kind of wreckage of their plans. When I said they won't try to pin the blame on anyone else, I should have added that they also dislike to shoulder the blame themselves. That's because they never make mistakes. Or if they do, they are not enthusiastic about admitting these rare slip-ups. They may glance around a little nervously, chastise themselves privately with great severity, but they will seldom publicly say "I'm sorry--I was wrong--forgive me." Capricorns feel that the best way to handle a goof is to bury it, make a firm metal note never to allow it to occur again, and do nothing to call undue attention to it. after burying a mistake, the Goat will not set up a road sign with an arrow pointing to the spot. Only now and then will a Capricorn with an afflicted Sun or Ascendent say or do something against his or her own nature. Most of the time the Goats will take a rusty failure, the nail and broken glass of defeat or ridicule, and do their darnedest to Scotch-tape or glue them together into something usable. They don't always succeed, of course, but they are determined, and they usually won't back down unless they see a steamroller headed toward them. Then Cappy will move. For these people are, to repeat--practical. They're extremely shrewd at estimating the extent of their difficulties and the basics of the situation, whatever it may be. Note that I said "estimating," not guessing. Capricorns never guess. They estimate. There's a difference. The former is chancy, the latter is based on data and deduction. Unlike Taurus people who will shove despite all obstacles, and who sit obstinately while the steamroller runs right over them, Capricorn is level-headed and wise enough to know when retreat is the only solution short of total disaster. If there's one thing Goats try to avoid at all cost, it's total disaster. They'll utilize every aspect of disappointment, every twist and turn of fate to some sort of advantage before discarding it--as Nature's billy goats will find something of nutritional value or chewing pleasure in whatever you offer them. This is why, when two Capricorns get together, they can make gigantic successes from only small scraps of possibilities. They plod along, side by side, not wasting anymore time speculating than absolutely necessary, getting things in the proper perspective and paying strict attention to priorities. After a reasonable length of time, they reach their combined goals--and no one deserves an achievement more. They worked for it, earned it and waited for it. It's hard to resent a Capricorn team's success or begrudge them their security, because you know they paid their dues to get there ( but not a penny more!). Goats are not really stingy, they're genuinely generous with their real friends ( all three of them ) and their families--just a little reserved with the cash when it comes to anyone else. - Love Signs Capricorn/Capricorn Chapter 021020 ... Dafremen Finally, in lieu of the whole sexually responsive area thing that I did in the other sign's insights, I thought it was only appropriate to give you Cappy folks some information that could be of much more PRACTICAL benefit. Like some of the likely possibilites for exploring those and many other areas of your life with that perfect person: "In love affairs Capricorn people are not fond of demonstration except from those they really love, and as these are few, they want them all to themselves; when this is not possible, they become very unhappy. This being an earth sign the love nature is deep and not on the surface. Saturn's influence in this sign causes its subjects many reverses, usually in middle life. Much of their trouble coming through marriage and love affairs. In contracting marriages, people of this sign should seek alliances with those who are on the same social and intellectual plane as themselves. They should select a partner born in the sign Cancer if they wish vigorous offsprings. But on account of Capricorn being a cold and dry sign, as a rule the women are blessed with but few children. Marriages with Virgo and Aries are usually harmonious and congenial." - The Zodiac and Its Mysteries Capricorn Chapter Marriage Section 021020 ... please what about capricorns with geminis, huh? 021020 ... freakizh yes! let's have vigorous offsprings! c'mon here, you capricorns! 021020 ... cancerian freakizh sorry. i meant. 021020 ... Dafremen Practical and realistic meets mentally free-floating and dreamy Home loving settler meets freedom loving wanderer Conservative money savings meets liberal spending habits Always dependable meets rarely dependable Sober, sensible speech meets dramatic verbal fireworks Argue the logical point of view meets logically argue any point of view Know what I want and determined to get it meets think I know what I want until I get it Down to Earth meets Head in the Clouds Capricorn the Goat meets Gemini the Mercury Bird and hopefully, the above contrasts help illustrate the difficulties facing these two in any kind of relationship, but PARTICULARLY in a love relationship. That's really the first thing any Capricorn will notice about a Gemini person, is that as convincing as they may be about almost anything, they don't ever seem particularly convinced themselves about anything. Gemini people are hot one day and cold later that same day. What Cappy may or may not see is that Gemini is both hot AND cold ALL of the time, it's just a matter of which one surfaces. This is confusing for a Capricorn who is VERY realistic in their perspective, very reasonable and (must I say it again? Yes, I must) PRACTICAL. Geminis are only practical as it suits them, and rarely convinced that ANYTHING is as it appears. They belong to the realm of imagination, of what could be, not necessarily what is. It isn't that they can't face the facts, it's that they keep a handy set of their own in their back pockets which they brought back from the Never Never Land that is their ONLY permanent home. But, see THAT'S just what a Gem might find attractive about Cappies; they are very stable. Like a familiar branch to land on between flights, the Mercury Birds probably would find that influence to be a calming effect in their rapid, flashes-by-before-you-know-it lives. Cappy on the other hand, would probably be VERY impressed by the amazing mental gymnastics of which Geminis are capable. They can take the most complex mental pretzels and almost effortlessly untwist them. What's not PRACTICAL about admiring an ability like that? There are other problems lying in their path, however. Take the tragedy of the Gemini "will-O-wisp wants" syndrome. Geminis frequently fall in love with the unknown, because of what it COULD be, because of their innate curiousity to know what lies just beyond the next hill. They are also quite often disappointed with what they find, mainly because it rarely meets the expectations of what it could have been. Unfortunately, in LOVE that usually translates to fickleness, and for people as naturally equipped to talk and charm their way into anything that they want, that usually means a trail of broken hearts left behind them. Not necessarily a rough edge that life couldn't sand to a passable smoothness, just a potential pitfall. For Capricorn, a mistake in love is an unthinkable tragedy usually. These people have a VERY deep love nature. When they give their love, they give it for real and hopefully(thinks Cappy), for keeps..not like most of us who talk for keeps, but don't mean it as sincerely as we want to think we do. Cappy has thought about it before committing him or herself to it. They are extremely cautious and conservative in demonstrating love for this reason. Cappy won't make a mistake if he or she can help it, and they usually can. Capricorn folks are very self disciplined, they also won't be trifled with. A Capricorn who has truly given his or her heart to a Gem that soon after takes flight (having reached the greener pasture, but finding it browner than they thought it would be), will be changed forever in the area of love and in a very profound way. This could make it VERY hard for the next person who comes along to convince Cappy of the sincerity of their love. A shame too, the Gem didn't MEAN to hurt them in this way, Gem just has a hard time looking past Gem most of the time. It's not bad, it's not good, it's just Gemini being Gemini. Cappy can be domineering when in love. Cappy doesn't like to share the object of his or her affections with ANYONE, not friends, not anyone...except maybe family. Gemini can fly away if domineered. Air doesn't like to be trapped. Freedom is probably the one thing of greatest importance to all three of the Air signs (Gemini Libra and Aquarius.) A day inside without anything to do or stimulate the brain is torture to all three, above and beyond what it is to other types of folks. (Aquarius usually has the easiest time of the three, then Gemini, then Libra(unless Libra's in a comfy cozy relationship).They all usually find being penned up intolerable for any length of time.) My advice, if I were to give any, would start out with this reminder: Astrology doesn't tell us what will or will not work out in love. In fact, that is one area where I most admire Linda Goodman as an observer and an astrologer. Many books and astrologers will say, these two types of people have no chance, or these two do. Not her, she looks deeply into these people and sees that EVERY relationship has hope and possibility(typical Aries), it's just that some take more work than others, more willingness to compromise. She even looks at the possibility that highly compatible types will have problems that other astrologers overlook. She seems intuitively to see into their motivations and then act them out as if there were a relationship, even though it only exists in her mind. She also reminds us of the rewards of overcoming our difficulties in a relationship, stating that quite often the most rewarding relationships are those that work out between the least compatible types of people. She is correct in stating that it is in these difficult relationships that we are given the GREATEST opportunities to improve ourselves as human beings and the greatest rewards in love. I should know, Libra-Cancer is called the most difficult of all relationships(most books just call them highly unlikely or improbable, warning people of these types against getting involved with each other). Well, that is the type of relationship that I have been involved in for the last 13 years and you know what? It WAS HARD AS F*CK in the beginning(I use the F word with reservations but with good reason...cuz it WAS hard as f*ck!) WE fought ALL of the time. ALL of the time, constantly. It never stopped, we pissed each other off incessantly, but slowly, surely, we grew as people. (My discovering astrology two or so years ago helped our understanding a GREAT deal. Thank you Professor Seward!) Along with the growth that we saw in ourselves and in each other, grew a love that is deeper and more rewarding than any that I have ever felt before in my life. I'd like to think that the missus agrees. Now instead of CONSTANTLY fighting, we do so about once a week, a big bru-ha-ha once every 6 months or so, but even more startling, we are ALWAYS being stopped on the street by older couples who comment on how they haven't seen a couple as in love as we are in years. Seriously, it happens a LOT, and THAT is worth every moment of agony that we went through and occasionally still go through. I see myself with this woman until my dying day, and hopefully, she feels the same, I think she does...her eyes say so anyhow, and the way she rubs my tushy in the morning does too. (Yea, she tells me to shut up and winces when I speak...sigh, but she loves me.) So my advice is this: Gem, stop..slow down, as unnatural as that may be. Smell this rose before you pull it up from the ground. Decide for yourself whether it will smell as sweet once you've plucked it for wanting to possess it. How long will that sweet scent last once it's in your hands? Better to smell it where it lies until you are SURE that your heart can enjoy that scent for a lifetime. If you can't, leave it there, for some other to appreciate, someone whose heart's desire IS a lifetime of that rose's perfume. Fair enough? Cappy, if your love is Gemini's trophy and Gemini's love is YOUR trophy, then understand, the Bird might fly away leaving you empty handed if you don't wait until you have YOUR trophy well in hand before handing over Gemini his/her victory. Not that Gemini won't sing just the SWEETEST song you ever heard. Try not to get hypnotized no matter how long he/she might sing it, it's just a song (followed by a stunning piece of footwork, no doubt.) It's about what the bird IS, not what the bird seems to be. Don't hold it in your hand too tightly, you will make your Birdy want to fly away. Don't scatter the tasty seeds you have for it either, open your hand and wait for Gemini to land there..then gently stroke your Mercury Bird so that it will want to stay. This Bird will not sit in your hand for long in either event and so if you would keep a Gemini, you might have to fly with them. That means occasionally abandoning the practical and just indulging in a little nonsensical flight of fancy once in awhile. Think of Gemini as a movie director and you can be his/her famous star, but you MUST be on cue. Gem has no time to wait, (and here's another thing to think about)the budget for the film is usually low. Gem can make money, to be sure, but Gem can also spend it like it was rice at a wedding. Gemini is a child at heart and as such, could use your wisdom as much as you could use the Mercury Bird's flights of fancy and magical way of seeing the world through a child's eyes. What's not practical about that? Love, fame, travel and human achievement. All possible, if you TRY to understand the nature of the Bird. Well good luck in any event, you two. : ) 021021 ... daxle it's strange... about the money thing... being a gemini and having been with two capricorns now- neither of them were particularly careful with money, other than being concerned when they were almost out of it. I, on the other hand, occasionally make frivolous purchases, but would never ever run out of money... I'm very careful. the other thing is how gemini's are supposed to be very social and bubbly. i've never been either, really. some of the stuff seems on, some doesn't, and some is unclear. 021021 ... Photophobe Oh come ON! I'm a cappy, and you just described everything I'm NOT. I'm not dependable, I'm carefree and lghthearted. I'm only careful with my heart because I used to be free with it. I feel little to no sense of duty, as my parents constantly point out. Sorry, Daffy, but your insight into cap was full of shite. I'm none of the above. 021021 ... Dafremen Photophobe, Do please give me your date of birth including year and perhaps we'll discover why. Sun sign descriptions will PROBABLY describe your character, BUT if you have a Moon or Ascendent(Rising sign) that tends to exhibit opposing characteristics, you can find these descriptions ridiculously off base.(Probability being the key idea behind Sun sign based ANYTHING.) The idea behind Sun sign descriptions is that they will fit MOST people of that Sun sign, the sun being the strongest influence of all of the influences. Ascendent and Moon being second and third. Seriously, email me your stats and perhaps we can improve your opinion with more of the picture that is you. see also: 021025 ... Daf too ANSWER_FOR_ASTROLOGY_SKEPTICS 021025 ... niska i'd love some insight into capricorn... he drives me nuts. 030405 ... Dafremen I need to revise this. My understanding has been expanded. I will elaborate later. First off, not ALL Capricorns are reliable nor are they all practical. (Thanks Photophobe and Leon for showing me the way to the light.) I'll revise this later. I want to give Sagittarians their turn first. 030405 ... niska well, really i'm more interested in what happens when two capricorns fall in love... (ok, is this sappy enough?). 030412 ... librawithacancer YES! Libra/Cancer is difficult, but definaltely the best relationship I've encountered so far. It's not that it's work, it's just that it's a lot of understanding. 030412 ... Dafremen And compromise. By the way...Photophobe, if you're still alive(knock on wood and sock a duck.) Let me know what happened. 030722 ... rubydee capricorn with a taurus you should see us when we lock horns... all in all a fabluous combo, in my humble opinion. 030722 ... Dafremen Indeed. Very capable of climbing up the social ladder and aquiring much wealth. Shhh...but let's go slow, easy and carefully, letting opportunity come to US as much as possible..huh? If ANY of you Cappy people would like your birth chart done, just send me your birth date, time and place of birth at dafremen@hotmail.com it takes me about 5 minutes to get em done these days. P.S. Please...for your peace of mind and mine...don't include your real name. 030722 ... dafremen I promised many moons past to update these insights in order to bring them into better alignment with my current understanding of the Capricorn nature. First off, I'd like to recommend that ANYONE of ANY Sun sign spend a mere 12 bucks and get this book: You're Every Sign by Phyllis Firak-Mitz ISBN:9781558749634 You will find that much of the extraneous crystal consciousness bullshit has been stripped away, leaving very accurate, to the heart of the sign information. Simple inquiry and observation after that should leave you with no doubt that astrology could very well be the one neglected area of your education. A very profound key to unlocking the mysteries of truly relating to the other human beings in your life. Just a thought from one who has been exploring this esoteria. The main feature of the Capricorn nature is not practicality or sensibility, although these play a firm part in the pursuit of the goal. (That goal being the cruz of the Capricorn nature.) That goal is reputation and the pursuit and maintenance of such. Now I'm not saying that Capricorn people care what YOU think about them..what I'm suggesting is that WHATEVER a Capricorn person decides is their IDEAL group..they will strive unerringly to raise up their reputation in that group, to protect and nurture that reputation within their group of "peers." The stoner Cappy will have good weed, and cool paraphernalia when possible. The skater Cappy will have a deck that is above reproach and will try to perfect their tricks, so as to be seen as someone who is a "true skater." A business Capricorn will wear the right apparel, be on time, make the right decisions according to the dictates of their chosen lifestyle..etc. THIS is the primary trait of Capricorn people which seem not to vary much from one Cappy to the next. see also: ANSWER_FOR_ASTROLOGY_SKEPTICS 080713 ... not not 080713 what's it to you? who go blather from