think_about_your_worthless_job Kuffed and Cooped i would prefer not to have a job than have a job that contributes to a fucked up world. I know i will be back stabbed for this but some people prefer to be in a PR or marketing job than look after an orphaned child that has not been shown what love is. This is what i call selfish and self-centered, simply because you wouldn't want to go to a party and tell someone that you are looking after a child for a job, you would perfer to let the child be deprived of love, stick your nose up and say that you work for posh corporate company in the city. I DON'T RESPECT ANYONE THAT HAS A MARKETING JOB SIMPLY BECAUSE I THINK YOU WASTE YOUR TIME, IT'S BETTER TO STAY IN BED AND DREAM OF A BETTER WORLD. IMAGINATION GETS YOU A LONG WAY, DAYDREAMING OF A PLEASANT PLANET TO LIVE ON IS BETTER THAN FACING THE TRUTH AND REALITY OF PEOPLE KILLING EACH OTHER IN WAR. BUTT i suppose it really depends if you are too busy thinking of yourself and your career than the state the world is actually in. WHAT TO DO ? Well, i've tried to face it but it got me depressed, i figure it is better to be insane, taken as a loon and a fool than to be a part of a world that is mostly sad. maybe i have given up but my heart still pounds and its worth more than money, it's time for me to do something about it. the question is what and how? 070913 ... Lemon_Soda Respectfully, you are displaying attributes in your thinking that I associate with what I believe cowardice to be. Are you railing against what your own potential is, because you see no way to attain it, or perhaps reflexively deffending your own lifestyle to yourself? Or maybe your just having a bad day. 070913 ... Kuffed and Cooped if there word words powerful enough make someone like YOU understand i would use them. if you are shallow enough just to read on the surface of what i have written then that is you being blind stupid. You only look what is on the surface, you only wear clothes that flaunt your outside and not your soul, why don't you snap out of your own present wrapping? 070913 ... unhinged (ls means well but can be grating sometimes. he is not blind or stupid; just trying to help by poking and prodding you into a slightly different way of thinking) having a job that you think is positively contributing to society does help. since most people spend a good amount of time at work, if you aren't happy with what you do at work, by and large you won't be happy. sometimes it takes some sacrifice to put yourself on the right path but it will be worth it in the long run. in the past year i worked a shitty job answering phones at a pizza shop for an owner that was a disgusting human being and started teaching violin at a music store where i can make little kids smile and help them develop some self_esteem. i am immeasurably more happy with my second job. 070913 ... unhinged most people in the modern world are stuck on the capitalist wheel to obtain things they think they need to be happy while indirectly and maybe even directly hurting others. doing nothing doesn't change anything. one person DOES make a difference. your example for instance; one person adopting an orphan makes all the difference in the world to that orphan. who cares if the people around them understand or except the sacrifice that person has made to adopt a child. they are doing what they can to make their corner of the world a better place and that's all that matters. i'm sick of post modern apathy. its laziness. its easier to be a selfish asshole for sure. doesn't make it right. if everyone got off their ass and did something to make someone else happy everyday, just those single people performing those single acts would slowly and surely change the world for the better. smile at strangers. it makes a difference. 070913 ... Lemon_Soda (ty unhinged) I have lived on the two ends of the spectrum, from sleeping in doorways and on friends couches, to my own home with rooms for rent. I once cleaned human waste off of the walls of fraternities for a living, and now I am a commercial real estate advisor. I do not consider myself material minded nor a cog in the capitalist wheel pursuing empty pleasure. I love my job, believing both that it contributes positively to the economy and allows me the oppurtunity to attain my goals. These goals are not based on simply acquiring for the sake of acquiring, but more along the lines of providing for my family(blood and non blood relations)improving my community, and philanthropy. If you have the oppurtunity, I would suggest reading a book entitled "The Richest Man in Babylon". It does an excellent job of explaining what wealth is, how it moves, how it can be grown, and why some have it and others don't. I understand that your feeling frustrated so I won't pick apart the hypocrisies of some of your statements in response to my own, and simply say that if you see a problem, research its solution and implement it. You will have a wonderful feeling of confidence and fulfillment that *may* spark you to keep doing more of the same. And whether you choose to believe it or not, I have typed nothing in *this* particular string of posts designed to specifically irritate and upset anyone. Remember that comprimise is the key to diplomacy, and diplomacy is the key to acceptance(which is a cousin of love, if you ask me). Though many wouldn't realise it, this is the crux by which we all can strive to improve our perceptions of the world around us, and ultimately, our perception of ourselves. 070913 ... mosquito inc. poster numero uno: get your ass off the weed. daydreaming about your future does not make you one or helps anybody. the world is fucked up yeah it's true but you shouldn't cry, you fucking hypocrite ripping the benefits of a 1st world economy, you wouldn't change your life, as shitty as it sounds, for the life of a third world child. you don't want to work for a corporation, that's fine. you don't respect the superficial assholes that normally work in the high tech and entertainment industries? fine. but don't fucking tell me that wasting your life like a fucking bum is better because i got news for you motherfucker, life is hard. it's obvious that shit is been handed to you all your existence. when you love yourself you don't give up. go one make a difference, you can if you wanted to, you're just too fucking lazy. 070913 ... Kuffed and Cooped why do you have a Marketing job or something? 070914 ... Your Frenemy Kuffsleeve, I (who have frequently been one of your detractors) agree with much of what you have to say here. I don't agree with all of it... and you must remember that many people were socially conditioned in a previous era (not necessarily LS or uHi et al) and will probably never change. Though I share your frustrations, there's not much else one can do but live your life as nobly as possible and encourage others to do the same. Furthermore you must remember that those who cannot see through "the system" are usually (but not always) dumber, which means that your attempts to convert them through arguments will only confound You and entrench Them further. So, you must outthink them. I may not always agree with you but you aren't stupid; do what you can to plant tiny mental seeds of change that someone else (who you'll probably never meet) will hopefully grow into the roots of introversive revolution (which you'll probably never personally witness). Also, remember that most people (including your elders) are little more than aged babies; I'd estimate the number of actually matured Men and Women to be about %1.5 and %7.5 of the population, respectively. Good luck and keep fighting, but remember they are humans too. This world is not the fault of aliens, the freemasons, Satan, the borg, men, europeans/africans/asians/etc, (whatever). The problems in this world are a result of %95 of people using, on a daily basis, their lizard-brains for rational manipulation and emotional repression. See the mind of an alcoholic. The smarter one's intellect (both rational AND emotional), the more horrid some aspects of this world seems. You seem to find it quite horrid.... Stay rational, AND emotional, AND spiritual, and this world cannot ultimately defeat you. Keep these faculties strong within yourself and death will bring you wonderful things, things you can share with whomever you like. It's refreshing to know there are others out there (such as yourself) with abundant passion. "Clebloinkula" to you, my beloved frenemy. 070914 ... Your Friend I take it back... you're my friend, not my frenemy. It seemed like a good idea when I typed that last part. I stand by the rest of it, however. 070914 ... Kuffed and Cooped can you help me who ever you are..... ? i understand that we all need to survive therefore need jobs but the bitterness in the world is coming from places and people that go about their lives without thinking or caring what they are putting into it. There is a lot of negativity in spending your life in a stressed Marketing job (as an example) the reason for this is it the product you are most probably selling is not needed or simply makes people ill in their body or minds. Just because you are not the owner or boss of the company you work for, does not mean you do not play an equal part of making this product available to the public. I am using Marketing as an example, there are many such jobs that only seem to cause pain or harm. I feel shitty that i don't work right now but the state the world is in has pushed me so low that it is causing a fear and depression within me. Why is depression such a huge and growing probelm in the modern world? No one wants to know someone that is seemingly lazy or depressed. I can't eseem to help myself or the world that we live in, instead i will simply recycle my salt and taste the sadness on my lips. can you help me ? 070914 ... Kuffed and Cooped to: mosquito. inc. you can call me a motherfucker all you want The point that i was making, was that i would prefer not to contribute anything to the world rather than contribute something negative, i am not so unselfless, i should be more kind to myself i agree but i will not do so if i harm others. I would prefer not to play a part in this world at all simply because being selfless means understanding your purpose of being alive or are you as lonely as i am ? 070914 ... Lemon_Soda Choosing to take no action is an action unto itself. If a good person sees evil and does nothing, they then, are no better. 070914 ... unhinged make your corner of the world a better place; that's all you can do. love the people and the world around you. maybe try your hand at ecofriendly and sustainable measures in what you eat. alleviate the suffering of a stranger. volunteer at an after-school program or a shelter or something like that. if you want a job that makes a difference, then you have to decide what you think makes a difference. teaching, kids or adults, is a wonderful vocation because you can directly effect the lives of a lot of people. i teach music which tends to make people happy. if you are an artist, put some beauty back into the world around you. find a non-profit near you that you like their mission and go to work for them. i don't know dude. *shrugs* i've been snuffed_out myself lately, but my job is one of the few things that keeps me going because i feel like i am making a difference in my community. (and the pay's not bad either which unfortunately or not so unfortunately is obviously a bonus) we live in capitalist societies so we have to fit into them as much as we don't like them. having financial security allows you the brainspace to do better things. you just gotta find something that fulfills both aspects. if you like kids, try working with kids. they shed instantaneous happiness. their lights shine brighter because they don't feel like they have to hide them yet. but having a job that means something to you does wonders at chasing away that heavy feeling of hopelessness. i've been there myself. 070914 ... The Gods "None of you are worthless. However it is you who decide what you are worth... and as the aeons pass, you shall someday find what you are seeking...." 070914 ... (Such words help no one!) Telling someone to get themselves off the weed is ridiculous, and illustrates a lack of emotional intuition. Not only that, but is there relevance in such allegations? Dubious, and unconstructive. 070914 ... Kuffed and Cooped Lemon Soda, - no action is also an action, Gandhi often did nothing, just sat in a room and stopped eating, but i suppose that is some kind of action to try to make people listen to him. 070914 ... daxle someone who is not working at all must be sopping money off of someone(s) to be surviving. whether it's the government, the people you spange off of, or your grandma, it all has ramifications, and is originating from those who do have, or have had, shitty jobs. that said, the world does contain meaningful jobs. why not bust ass and work towards getting one of them? so far the answer seems to be "the world has made me too depressed for me to do that" Well, I've been exactly there and so I feel qualified to tell you that you're full of shit. it's just easier to say that things are fucked up and do nothing about it. doing the right thing is hard. it's tedious. it doesn't pan out very quickly and so requires a lot of tenacity. what else are you gonna do though? just fuck off your whole life being miserable? 070914 ... Liker of Fiery People Playing the victim card might not be very helpful, but then again, nor is a callous attitude towards the distressed. I, too, have been there, Daxle, and by your own logic, I am thereby qualified to tell you that YOU are full of shit. It isn't black and white anymore, kid. Kuffsleeve's predicament is one which we may have all shared, but there is no common solution. What WON'T work, though, is shoving off YOUR anger at the world onto him. Just like his shoving his anger off onto marketing people won't solve much, irksome and insidious though they may be. Per this displacement of angers: I've seen you do this here at blather plenty of other times, and have called you on it before, so I know your reaction will be to deny everything and pretend like it is *I* who acts without heart or mind. That said, Daxle, I admire your tenacity, and that you managed to recover yourself from trouble. You are definitely fiery and I like it. 070915 ... minnesota_chris daxle isn't a kid 070915 ... mosquito inc. "Per this displacement of angers:" ... what the fuck? eat a bowl of shit please. anyway, i am no pro capitalist, that is to say, not more that i am pro socialism. but the fact is, as my friend unhinged already stated, we live in a capitalist society and we must adapt to it as much as possible. it's possible to do it ethically. as individuals there are things we can do to make our worlds a little better and find meaning in our lives. it's wonderful to think we can change the world by becoming a fucking asshole and waste off like a homeless person "because the world makes me tooo fucking sad to appreciate anything good about it." how romantic. nihilism is so two centuries ago and it's really the attitude of cowards. you can, however, make a big difference in YOUR life. that's right, with a change in attitude and with a little fresh air. you don't have be a genius to understand how much better you have it compared to the majority of people in the world. there are people dying of hunger in countries you can't even pronounce, millions dying in the middle of fucking wars no one can afford... if your life is got no meaning go find one, the world is full of it. you have it so much better man, so when you whine like a little bitch because you're too fucking cynical to see the good things around you, it makes me want to smack you over the head so that you can open you eyes and be just a tad more humble. you're still a motherfucker. 070915 ... daxle I'm sorry but I don't know how you found any anger or callousness in my post. Feel free to highlight the parts you think are relevant. That said, it also occurred to me, upon reading the original post, that the poster said that they thought caring for orphaned kids would be worthwhile. Well, that's a possibility, and something that's very easy to get in to (not necessarily easy to do well, which is where training comes in). Look up your local programs for abused and neglected children. At the very least you can start doing volunteer work right now. As you gain more education and/or experience, it could turn into a paying job. 070915 ... Humored Mosquito Inc., your insults don't even mean anything, because you are clearly a bundle of anger. No wonder you disliked my "anger displacement" comment to Daxle - you're a case study in it! I apologize to Daxle because I should've directed that post at you instead. Daxle, she has nothing on you when it comes to such things. So, having exported insults and anger, O blood-sucking disease-carrying insect, it isn't hard to imagine what you'll import. Please make an effort to sophisticate yourself a bit - such toxicity gets no one anywhere, and I suspect deep down you know that. You can do better. (By the way, I agree with your apathy toward capitalism and socialism alike, as well as your disdain for nihilism.) And to Daxle, if you *aren't* a kid, and I suspect not, then you must surely realize that telling someone they are full of shit - based upon what you ASSUME to have been their argument - and while claiming to have been there - lacks sympathy and undermines your otherwise excellent points. Sympathy would've gone a lot farther, as it usually does. Nevertheless, I agree with most of what you said. And clearly I was hasty in assailing YOU, as mentioned moments ago. My apologies to you, dear lady. I will not make such allegations unto thee again. Kuffsleeve, your indignation with stuff is shared by others. Know that. 070916 ... jane knowing daxle & her writing, her post wasn't Aimed callously toward anyone. and anyone who is offended by it, it is their own personal choice as a reaction. -that- seems more childish to me, to choose to react that way. end of fucking story. & daxle, good to see you here again. 070916 ... . oh, i see. it's our fault for interpreting "...so i feel qualified to tell you that you're full of shit" in a mean way?!? thanks jane, now its crystal clear that she meant it in a friendly, bridge-building kinda way. seriously. 070916 ... REAListic optimIST if we can quit bickering over unintentionally connoted barbs unedited down to harmless curves, there are some real words of insight, beauty, and compassion in here; words reaching out to another intent on shedding light and understanding on some of life's most naked questions such as the search for meaning and the hopelessness of being blind to it or numb to it. to feel the ache of meaning's absence is to yearn for feeling a positively interconnected human, but don't use the fact of your feeling for responsibility toward increasing the happiness and healing in the world as an excuse for not finding a way to bring it about. you are going to have to give up some of what you feel keeps you sane and safe in order to find what you seek, but you will get back so much more in return. and no, i don't think i have the answers. i'm just trying to further the constructive interaction happening here. may peace get unlocked through your actions. god_is_a_verb and namaste. one of the best things you can do for yourself if you want to change your mindset and momentum is to journal. i just began journaling my hopes, dreams, and intentions in the mori 070917 ... REAListic optimIST if we can quit bickering over unintentionally connoted barbs unedited down to harmless curves, there are some real words of insight, beauty, and compassion in here; words reaching out to another intent on shedding light and understanding on some of life's most naked questions such as the search for meaning and the hopelessness of being blind to it or numb to it. to feel the ache of meaning's absence is to yearn for feeling a positively interconnected human, but don't use the fact of your feeling for responsibility toward increasing the happiness and healing in the world as an excuse for not finding a way to bring it about. you are going to have to give up some of what you feel keeps you sane and safe in order to find what you seek, but you will get back so much more in return. and no, i don't think i have the answers. i'm just trying to further the constructive interaction happening here. may peace get unlocked through your actions. god_is_a_verb and namaste. one of the best things you can do for yourself if you want to change your mindset and momentum is to journal. i just began journaling my hopes, dreams, and intentions in the morning, and then recounting my progress and coming up with action plans in the evening. this won't work for everyone, but it's a start. 070917 ... misstree nearly anyone who works for another is a whore. if it's not something you would do for free, someone is buying away your time. that's a hell of a thing to trade away, but sometimes it's better than others. unfortunately, no job means that you are pulling resources rather than sharing them. it takes a huge toll on you mentally, not to mention the fallout it can have in your life. but it happens, and there will be times when you can help someone else who is where you are now. i understand the point that you were aiming for by using marketing as an example, but what about those who make commercials for causes or products that they believe can better the world? or adopting an orphan but being unable to properly care for it, or worse, abusing it? it's all greyscale. there is no perfect job, but there are those that are more tolerable than others, and sometimes you have to knuckle through the nearly intolerable ones until you can find something better. in my experience, my sense of self worth and general happiness takes a hell of a beating during extended unemployment; perhaps even part time at a video store would put a bit of gas into the motor to help you reach your next destination? and there are good jobs out there, i swear. i clean shit off of walls, though in a different manner than ls used to... i happened into a job at a vet clinic, and after just four months working there i've become much more than laundry master... i just finished an expensive 3-day class in radiology safety and am learning how to assist in surgery when the tech isn't in. i'm still in the honeymoon phase, so it's still vibrating against my deep and passionate love for animals, sharp things, blood, learning things, staying active, making a difference, and being away from the general public. i don't know how long it will last, but i know that when this one goes away, there will be another job, somewhere, sooner or later, that i will hopefully love as well. even waitresses make a difference in the world. i hope this all made sense; my words are kind of rusty. forgot to oil 'em when i put them in the attic. you know how it goes. 070917 ... minnesota_chris I agree. Any job can be worthwhile, just like any job can be a learning experience. 070917 ... somebody nice to see some harmony 070918 ... Kuffed and Cooped NOT any job is worthwhile, what is worthwhile about Marketing fake sugar that gives people cancer? Someone that thinks any job is worthwhile is someone that reads a newspaper from cover to cover and then thinks that they are intellegent because they know about all the filtered and seleceted crap in the world. Intellegent robots have a mind of their own; my plug does not fucking fit your adapter. Just because you are finding a way to feed yourself does not mean that you deserve a free living space. Do a job that fucking does good to the world or go pay your fucking mortgage. 070918 ... minnesota_chris hey I like that cancer sugar and keep your plug away from my adapter 070918 ... The Old Man From Scene 24 Ahh, to be so young, full of ideals and so fucking self-righteous again...getting old sucks 070918 ... Lemon_Soda Bitter much? 070919 ... The Old Man From Scene 24 Not terribly, no. i was being facetious i remember being so certain of my own certainty when i was younger, so full of energy that i pissed away berating people who did not see things my way that i saw a flash of my younger self in Kuffed's rant. I don't wish to be rude, but i can understand sometimes why our elders shake their heads in bemusement at us when we fume and roar in the fiery and often unreasoned passions of youth I'm not so old that i have forgotten, but not so young that i could be so brash any more 070919 ... somebody I've seen more than a few "elders" fume and roar unreasonably, and there are many youths with well-articulated (and justified) rants and passions. Generalizations thrive at any age, I see! 070919 ... to "kuffed and cooped" BE THE CHANGE YOU WISH TO SEE IN THE WORLD you can't do anything else. 070919 ... frequent blather advice I must learn to heed, myself 070919 ... fuffle one day i want to go to Nepal and Tibet, i just watched a film on it, it looks so amazing and beautiful. 070919 ... . volunteer!? 100506 ... daxle I'm willing to admit that more sympathy and less harshness might have been more persuasive, at least more compassionate. On the other hand, sometimes I wish someone had called me out sooner. Not that I would have listened. I just would have looked back and said "hey, that douchebag was right after all" 100506 ... minnesota_chris do you see how they found anger or callousness? 100507 ... no reason how can you not think about it? i wouldn't say mine is worthless but i feel worthless at it sometimes, in that what i do will never be enough, even though i work all the time. but i don't want to earn the rep of someone who quits after three months. 100507 what's it to you? who go blather from