perfection deb engagement is a strange bird, fluttering about, wings flapping giddily while soaring in the clouds for quite a while then you wake up and realize your love is far far far away and no matter how you miss him, he can't be there just now but he's perfect, in every way, the match i'd never find -instead he sat beneath a tree and grinned, pen in hand, hoping i would notice him and smile- the 2 years between now and our wedding-march gapes between our hearts but there's nothing better than waking up to find the man you love dearly is no longer 900 miles away, but in your room with a smile and a rose and the sweetest hello... just... ::grins:: wow 000818 ... gaudior is so difficult to find and so valuable once found. congratulations, deb. 000917 ... Jon Well done you're dead 001006 ... splinken i think it gleams like polished bone, then congeals in the bottom of the bowl like hours-old grits. hey now. i listened in high school english when we went over metaphors. hey now. hey now. those aren't metaphors, they're similies. i spelled that wrong. wait--one is a simile, the other is a something-else. fuck this english language. fuck it with its socks on. 001006 ... moonshine Lady of Shalott read in conjuction with stairway to heaven. 010126 ... kx21 The_Power_of_Creativity of SHIT engaged with the_Gene_of_Nothing of STAR... 010126 ... deb i'm not perfect i wish i could say i was but i'm not- there are scars in me so deep that they no longer merely scratch the surface; they have become canyons upon my soul, the acid river of self-pity burning deeper with every moment- i try to play it off and say it doesn't matter anymore but there are days i don't want to get up, i'm so absorbed in what was- and this temper of mine, um... ::laughs nervously:: yeah, it's a bomb just waiting to go off- i wish i could be someone else, sometimes, just so i wouldn't have to deal with all that goes along with being me- i'm so scared there's so much wrong with me; in me- and you've seen it all, and you still think i'm perfect- how, i'll never know but it just makes me love you all the more~ i'm not perfect, but i know this: i'm perfect for you in the same way you're perfect for me 010312 ... peyton dear God Deb.. that's beautiful I hope Rhin reads it.. she will know what I've been trying to tell her all along.. :) 010312 ... dafremen As beautiful as that may have was deb, it goes a long way towards saying NOTHING. No I mean it, that was a truly beautiful expression of devotion. Unfortunately all that devotion and a quarter won't even get you the perfect peach cupcake or a newspaper. You know what perfection is? Truly is? No matter WHO you are or where you're from. No matter if you're alone or with someone else. True perfection can be found right here, right now. Wait no NOW...damn missed it...ok NOW! Well hopefully you get the idea. Why on earth would I say now is perfect? Well because, man, perfection is a state in which no further improvements can be made. Right here right now, that's as GOOD as it gets at this moment, period. Go ahead, improve on now if you can, I DARE YOU...no wait...now...damn missed it again...NOW..crap ok...1, 2, 3...NOW..sheeit...now......dammit...I keep missing it, ok NOW...grrrr 010312 ... Db Heh heh. Yeah take that. 010312 ... dB to attain perfection, you must first cast aside your humanity. Then your mortality. Then your morality. them emotions. then all things physical, including your body. But even then you havn't even begun to scratch the surface. To be human is to be flawed. Weak. Insubstantial, and because of that it is impossible to attain perfection. 010312 ... twiggie the sweetest perfection... 010313 ... mikey to call my own... 010313 ... johnny west a butterfly with the face of a cow. 010313 ... nocturnal jesus christ, johnny! one of these days you're gonna make me pee on myself. then I'll be pissed! no pun intended. 010313 ... johnny west I honestly don't find myself funny most of the time. Funny. I guess I'm only funny when I'm not trying too hard. 010313 ... nocturnal and that is humour perfection. 010313 ... kx21 Practices make perfect? Not really. Just can't imagine you are practicing same old silly & stupid things again and again with absence of thought and awareness... It's Perfection of practices...that make Perfect... 010313 ... mikey learning from mistakes leads to perfection. 010313 ... dB No. Learning from your mistakes means that you won't fuck up as much, or at least not in the same way. It doesn't mean bollocks in the perfection stakes. 010313 ... mikey well really there is no such thing as perfect. its a word made up by humans. we made it a word so therefore something has to be "perfect" i think not. everything is everchanging. we base everything on words which WE made up as a description. 010313 ... dB It is a word that is used to describe that which is exactly right. Like "This new key works perfectly." in that sense, perfection is an approriate term. The problem arises when you start to use the word to describe humans. 010313 ... Dafremen I hate to burst both of your bubbles, but I AM perfect. I perform the task of being me FLAWLESSLY. Do I make mistakes? Well yes, but none of them fall outside the requirements of being me. In fact, since by definition I'm human and prone to error, I would be IMPERFECT if I DIDN'T make mistakes!! Dafremen is SUPPOSED to make mistakes, without em, you wouldn't really have Dafremen wouldja? Nope I'm Dafremen perfection personified, and I think if you look carefully, you'll realize that each and every one of you is the perfect you TOO. Heheh kind of goes back to the perfection of right here,right now. 010314 ... dB Ok, if you look at it from that perspective you are correct. But, as an outsider looking in, I only see a generalisation of humans as a whole. As a species, they are not perfect, but no species id. Humans however, could do much better as a society than they are at present. 010314 ... kx21 Given that your Mistakes / Errors are Mother of Perfection. Who is your Father of perfection? 010314 ... dB um... you? 010314 ... kx21 Your faith, morality? 010314 ... dB I have no faith, and only basic morals. They are not a crutch to me, unlike some people. 010314 ... kx21 Your Belief & Morality? 010314 ... kx21 Your Beliefs & Morality are Father of Perfection... 010314 ... kx21 An acid Test of Perfection:- "do unto others as you would have done unto you" 010314 ... dB In what way is that a test? It is not a trial or anything. It is merely an action, or lack of action depending on the situation. It's not a test, it's a fucking rile. 010314 ... kx21 Do Unto Others (DUO):- The Universal social ethical practice for M_Religion? Baha'i: "Desire not for anyone the things that ye would not desire for yourselves." Baha Ulla LXVI Buddhism "Hurt not others in ways that you yourself would find hurtful." Udana-Varga 5:18 Christianity: "Do for others what you want them to do for you." Matthew 7:12 Confucianism: "Do not unto others what you would not have them do unto you." Analects 15:23 Hinduism: "Never do to others what would pain thyself." Panchatantra 111.104 Islam: "Do unto all people as you would they should do unto you, and reject for others what you would reject for yourself." Mishkat-el-Masabih Jainism: "In happiness and suffering, in joy and grief, we should regard all creatures as we regard our own self." Lord Mahavira, 6th Century BC Judaism: "What is hateful to you do not to your neighbour. That is the entire law.." Talmud, Shabbat 314 Native American: "Respect for all life is the foundation." The Great Law of Peace Sikhism: "Treat others as thou would be treated thyself." Adi Granth Taoism: "Regard your neighbour's gain as your own gain and your neighbours loss as your own loss." T'ai Shang Kan Ying P'ien Unitarian: "We affirm the inherent worth and dignity of every person, and the interdependent web of all existence..." Zoroanastrianism: "That nature alone is good which refrains from doing unto another whatsoever is not good for itself." Dadistan-I-Dinik, 94:5 (Taken from Vocation For Justice: Autumn 1998 Volume 12 No 3) 010314 ... kx21 Can you name anyone who managed to pass the DUO Test? 010314 ... DB But it has nothing to do with PERFECTION. Hello! Current topic! I think you may be after the ETHICS discussion. You can do what you bloody like, but a human will NEVER be prefect. Even if it was attainable in spirit, they'll never be the perfect ORGANISM. There are too many flaws in people for them to even cosider attempting to attain perfection. Let's face it, the human race is flawed, weak, dumb, self-destructive, unimaginitive, and a whole lot of other things that I can't be bothered typing out. The question is not ethics or morals. It's physiology and phycology. 010315 ... Dafremen Db, humans could NOT do better as a society than we are at the present. For this is how we ARE as a society at the present. Which makes it the best that we can do at this time. Now LATER we might do better, but at the present this is the best we can do. (Remember the NOW thing? Heheheh) P.S. Don't even ATTEMPT to answer kx's questions, it's a can of worms without end! : ) 010315 ... dB Dafremen you are right, and wrong. Society could do better NOW. It just doesn't want to. It'll take another thousand years before it get's the shit together that it should be doing now. And kx21, well, sometimes informative, sometimes abstract, sometimes outright dumb, but you gotta hand it to him though. He never stops being a fountain of knowlege. 010315 ... kx21 What is the Stupidest Q_As on Perfection? What is the Smartest Q_As on Perfection? 010315 ... Dafremen Besides Db, the mediocrity of society only serves to bolster my apparent Perfection in comparison. Oh thank you crappy society for being the backdrop upon which I can SHINE like a supernova!!! P.S. I have a cat named si-si P.P.S. I love you Si-si! P.P.P.S. I don't REALLY have a cat named si-si, that's just something I tell people to impress them. 010316 ... kx21 The_Power_of_Creativity of STAR engaged with the_Gene_of_Nothing of SHIT... 010317 ... TurtlePrincess constantly striving constant strife who told me I had to be Perfect? I inch toward my goal biting and clawing but for each inch I travel it travels miles further away. The quest for perfection is a journey with no destination. 010506 ... distorted tendencies Is not this perfection? This web of words all connected together? This empty yet full space? A place of sanctity in all possibility? If you couldn't be here at the end of the day throwing forth unsaid words, thoughts, emotions do you think they would imprison you? And if you were imprisoned, what would you do? Try to get out no less. Try to find a state of perfection that only you could possibly enjoy, hoping that other people would appreciate and enjoy it as well. (And they do, no less.) 010820 ... kx21 Ten_supreme_heart, the Spring of Perfection... 010820 ... kx21 Ten_supreme_hearts, the Spring of Perfection... 010820 ... Inanna Perfection is being in control of your dreams. 010820 ... pralines&cream is in the way you mouth your words, in the dimples when you smile, it fills your body when you flex. Your perfection shakes me to my core, so strong, it is. 011112 ... duran blather here goes. 011119 ... Effingham Fish For the life of me, I could never get all those pieces in before the timer went. Stupid game! 020216 ... kx21 Intelligence = Rationality? 020217 ... blown cherry I should bloody well think not!