punks The Truth The time has come to blow the whistle on "punks". Ok, listen up punks, I am going to let you in on a little secret! You are so proud of the fact that a punk rock image will make you an individual, and different. Someone who doesn't conform to the norms of society. But guess what, if you gather all of the skater punks from across the land and put them in one place, you'd have a norm of society. All of you with your blue hair, and your little dicks and titties pierced are so blind to this following fact: If you all look the same, talk the same, act the same, believe in the same concepts, and preach non-conformity. Guess what. you are trendy! trendy trendy trendy conformists, all you want is to be accepted by the mainstream, while pretending to rebel against it! I am sorry to have to be the one to tell you, but that's just the way it is. 010420 ... The Truth Just a note: I am not saying anything about the music...I like (most of) the music. And I am secure enough with just being myself, that I can like the music without piercing myself or whatever else to conform to the mainstream punk image...I dress how ever I wanna dress. 010420 ... mmm fuck you loser. u don't know wht ur talking abouti dress punk because it best suits my personality, it is who i am. unlike you and all the rest of the sheep, who dress like you do because its cool. and as for the music, i guess you really are a dumbass, half of the music makes fun of sheep like you. 010420 ... The Truth The Truth sometimes hurts, I know. It'll be ok... Don't worry, you'll grow up and realize certain things, are beyond your scope of awareness. 010420 ... The Truth "If you wear the uniform, you're a member of the club." --- The Truth.4.20.01 010420 ... mmm yeah sure try and be all high and mighty... i may change in the distant future but trust me i'll never join you and becom a sheep waiting for the slaughter 010420 ... me I think this guy got raped by a punk or something..... 020426 ... ghost of blather past he went away (thankfully) when it was proven to him that like everyone else, he was only an opinion 020426 ... phil then, why am I the only person doing what I do? 020426 ... misstree gets sick of repeating herself for a good "non-conformists are just conformists" bitch-smacking, go to goth and fing the piece "in comparison". 020426 ... silentbob hmm thats kind of stupid. because... not every punk does things because he/she wants to be an individual. for the most part its a rebellion against themselves. they want to be different from what they used to be. and not all of them have a complex about the mainstream. you've taken a majority in a minority and attributed characteristics to all of them. and i really like how you just let everyone know afterward that you're secure with yourself and your individuality. apparently you're insecure about SOMETHING if it caused you to outright attack a fashion. anyway. this was directed at "the Truth" even though its a year late. oh well. 020427 ... phil comformity does not deal with just your outward appearence. It's a life spent ignorant. RIP RIP RIP attempt to escape social class, free minds of hate, stare at sociality, and screw...everybody. .-. .-. ._. ._. 020427 ... silentbob and i don't think punk conformity is as bad as the other one. because... its like you kind of fall into the interest. some people don't actually like the music and say they do, but for the most part i think they actually do like it, for a while, and then they stop and just kind of stop caring about what they are wearing. and its mostly 15 year old kids. its not like their personalities are the most defined things yet, they are still learning and forming themselves. i don't care who you are, NO ONE was cool at fifteen 020428 ... phil I would have to agree with that maybe I shouldn't even be talking here, I am 21 and even when I was 15 the concept of a "fad" was vague 020428 ... stacey punks are awsome! they are easy to get along with, and they dont go behind your back. this one guy i know hes a punk and he is the swetest guy ever! and hes hott! punks make the best boyfriends, they're fun, hott, and down to earth...they're not going to sit there and make fun of someone..well maybe occasionally they will, but not bc they r different. so always remember this....LONG LIVE PUNK! 030216 ... silentbob sigh lets go over this one more time... not all punks are the same... not all are loyal friends who will stick up for you and wont go behind your back some will just as some jocks can be good friends and some preppie kids aren't assholes... its about individuality, not what you're wearing while doing it. 030216 ... i love bubble wrap ugh...stereotyping is a bitch huh.....here we go,if your not ignorant and repugnent you can see that "punk" is basically in the eye of the beholder. it can be what you wear or listen to but its just basically being against a majority of something, not *just* different but intenionally protesting...in which case in the 80's when the *first* "punk" attitude came to be noticed: mohawks, leather jackets, spikes and obnoxious music is what left a on mark on societies view of different, just the look was protesting. but now days there are so many different styles and the world is so much more open to fashions that the "punk" style is no longer so different, its up to your additudes guys.and you people that stereotype the "punk" look annoy me. thats just my opinion dont take it offensively. later 030515 ... /anon I hate all stereotypes but they do exist at least in my area and group there are groups. They intermingle and are usually friendly to eachother (with the exeption of punks and preps who are polar opposites.) punks preps freaks outcasts these are the groups I have observed. Preps split off into sub groups of jocks at least they do here. I am a freak I think. Outcasts are the smallest group. They are the kids no one like. I feel sorry for them. My area however is very rich so most of the kids here are considered preps but only by the other groups. I have seen that most preps dont try to be that or are proud of it, it is just normal life to them. Same with freaks and outcasts. This may offend some of you but this is only and observation and some inference. I think punks try to be different and not conform. That is not a flaw, just a trait. They defy society and the reason differs from person to person. All of the kids in these groups have different personalities and none are exactly what the stereo type says. I know many friendly preps and punks and outcasts. I also know many freaks who are jackasses, and the same is true of all the groups. Some of the splitting may have been caused by the income of the persons family or just by how they looked and if they were attractive, I do not know. Again it differs. Now this is all based on abservation and some inference so its probably different in different areas that arent so rich. 030515 ... /anon Now remember I hate all stereotypes I wish they did not exist but they do so I dont complain I just try as hard as I can to stay out of them but its hard when everybody labels you as a freak! 030515 ... blow ass u bitch!! get to know ppl b~4 u run ur mouth!!understand that me beeing an individuall get labelled as punk i dont go strut it around n if thas the style of syuff iw ear n simillar 2 my attitiude hen thas fine!! n the god damn preps n this world wanna think they r so much better n so much dumber well get a fucking life n clue!! 030716 ... ferret i am whoever i want to be, maybe today maybe tommorow you'll see me running into the sea the dregs of glad, the dregs of sorrow 030717 ... User24 ok, steroetypes don't just get made up out of thin air, they exist because of the majority trends of a group, but they reflect changes less; if 20 years ago goths/punks/townies/whoever were stereotyped as being something, even if the majority view has now changed, the stereotype will remain. Stereotypes are a bad thing, generally, because, as has been said, they rule out the individual, typecasting people on no sound facts, and believe me, trendies are just as capable of individuality as punks or any other group, if you think they're not, you're the one who's stereotyping. The reason that these groups exist is soemthing of a mystery; how is it that people who think in a similar way dress in a similar fashion, and like the same types of music and activities; surely if we are individuals, there would be no common ground; we'd all be out 'doing our own thing', however this is not the case; yes there are a multitude of new social movements (NSMs), but these NSMs are enjoyed by the vast majority of people - almost everyone belongs to a group. Is it our tribal ancestry? The need to belong? Even if so, the question of why still remains, we are tribal now because we used to be tribal is no answer, why do have those tendancies? perhaps we are not as individual as we think. 030717 ... mila I think your correct! I've always had friends who were "punk" but if i took them and made a group...we have one big conformity! i had a lot of fun reading your page. :-) 030930 ... misstree "similar sensitivities, similar tastes, ostensible conformity among unique individuals." /anon and user24's posts earlier made me notice something about stereotypes and such... there's a difference between saying "punks are this and that" and "lots of punks have this or that in common." the metaphor that won't leave my head, especially with the example of high school groups, is the difference between holding a three ring circus and making sure everyone is in their proper ring, and letting people play in a park and what different trees they choose to shade them. and even then, you get to see how different people repose in such shade; stalking about like lions, laughing at the leaves playing, climbing vigorously, or just simply milling about. the moral of the story is, don't shove people in cages. they're much more fun to watch frolic in their natural environment. 031001 ... "poser" so ive been reading alot of the comments made about punks, most of wich are harsh!.....can we say STEREOTYPES.....i agree you should get to know someone before you pass judgement on them, its pretty fucked, i listen to punk music, punk music has become a very big part of my life over the last 2 years, so when i was walking through the mall the other day and a "PUNK" girl whom i have never seen before in my life called me a poser, i laughed.......it was because of my piercing, my AFI shirt, and the simple fact that i dont look like a "typical" punk, which in some ridiculous state of mind ppl think that if you dont look a certain way, you cant enjoy a certain type of music.....its complete bullshit!i love AFI because its the "cool" thing to do...give me a fucking break.....i listen and dress the way that makes me comfortable with myself, i dont do it for other ppl. and i do notice just going shopping ppl dont understand and they like to talk shit! and as far as tattoos go, i love all of my tats, and i wouldnt get rid of them to save my life, its me expressing myself, on myself.....i dont do hard core drugs(only cigs and alcohol), i dont have sex, what else is there? i love who i am more than i ever have in my life, i like being the only one out of all my friends, that has tats and piercings, and listens to punk!......its who i am, and it took me along time to find myself....i went through highschool, being the abercrombie girl, and it literally makes me sick to think of what i did to be part of the "in" crowd....i never want to go through it again......stop ragging to ppl because they are who they are! 031002 ... "poser" another thing to consider, you could be missing out on an awesome friendship/relationship with a really awesome person, if you judge them! 031002 ... misstree indeed. a closed mind