what_could_happen_to_blather amy the kx21 thing has been unacceptable for quite some time. imagine if another person like this shows up, or two. should we clamp down security and have logins, barring access to anybody who, by consensus of the community, has begun to overrun the place? i know that sucks, but blather is definitely vulnerable. comments are appreciated. 040825 ... pete i disagree 040826 ... Bespeckled I don't feel that a username/password system needs to be put into effect. I feel that this problem is one that needs to be addressed with the only person who is guilty of creating it: kx21 (and his other aliases) I don't think it's something that we blatherers or you awesome newdream people should expect to encounter from anyone else. My thinking is: Is there some way you can warn kx that what he is doing is not okay with the blather_gods, and that if he continues to show such rudeness and disrespect for the creators and participants of blather, he will be banned (and then actually ban him ... if he continues to violate your request, that is)??? I think that would be the best way of solving this issue. Thanks for your interest in it, also. 040826 ... kx21 must die coalition What's_the_'Point'!!! 040826 ... somebody How does one go about becoming a member of this coalition? 040826 ... u24 I think the idea of voting to ban someone is a good idea, but firstly I'd suggest barring his IP - if that does the trick then all's well, if not, then we can start looking into logins etc. 040826 ... kx21 Oops... "Vote" or "Ban" NO evil? Absolutely_NOT... 040826 ... . iLINK- The_NO_evil_Rule 040826 ... another dumb american the Point: you speak philosophy, kx21, while the rest of us are just speaking. we have no point. we're playing around. we don't take the problems of the world upon us to solve. we drive ourselves crazy, and then we let it taper off... i'm sure you have something very worthwhile to offer to the world. the feedback you've gotten from us is that you need to improve how to communicate these things better, in ways that also validate the people with whom you communicate. it's not up to you to figure out, by yourself, how justice must be served in this fucked up world of ours. i think i saw you quote "let it be" somewhere. let it be. manage your aggression. discipline your strife. do a blather fast, still your mind. 040826 ... stork daddy i'm not going into one of my longwinded hard to follow diatribes. but i will say i hate any of these ideas. they strike me as the same as the patriot act...defending our blather by destroying it. if you want a long-winded argument from me, i'm not too hard to goad, but otherwise just ignore me, and let my voice be one vote to the contrary. 040826 ... The Heretic IT PUTS THE GOOGLE IN THE BLATHER 040826 ... birdmad i prefer occasionally looking up blathes in google, i'm not all that fond of looking for google results in blather 040826 ... ever dumbening metablather i'm basically with the stork here. it is tremendously annoying, but 1. we risk cutting off the b to spite the lather and 2. the guy will die or go away eventually, just like all of us, so whatever. i'm racing towards having been here at the b-town for three years, and i've watched the rise and fall of _tons_ of annoying losers. they _all_ eventually stop and/or go away. the reality, too, is that even the most annoying skites are liked, at least in part, by some other skites. i was extremely happy to see daffy leave, but i know many here loved him. meh. who knows? i wrote kx21 a letter a while back. it didn't do much; he didn't respond. maybe you could try. my advice, as always, is to just keep writing quality shit yourself, cuz that's all that matters. and until someone starts fucking with the infrastructure, there's no reason to call upon the blather_gods. cuz i don't think they care on this particular issue. 040826 ... kx21 What's_the_'Point':- "sick_of_kx"... And "Stop" NO evil? Absolutely_NOT... 040826 ... :) Start NO Evil... Amen. 040826 ... kx21 Oops... a fresh_and_green Random_dot:- w___h_____y_______... Why_NOT? 040826 ... kx21 To_be_precise:- What_could_happen_to_blather? *** * M_revolution_21 - Blather *** w___h_____y_______ and Why_NOT "Spin", twist_and_turn; "wired" and "wireless" around and across_the_Universe - Finger_and_Moon of the Heart_and_mind Blather Spaces... Copyright 2004 (M_revolution_21) kx21.com 040826 ... . '...across_the_Universe- Heart_and_mind of "Finger_and_Moon" weaved and wrapped in Blather Spaces...' 040826 ... misstree stork, damn well put. personally, i haven't read much of kx21's stuff because the titles are relatively easy to spot, so my annoyance level is pretty low. here's a great theory for you; if you don't like it, don't read it. this isn't like cupcake or one of the fruitbats is pissing sprinkles on every page (my personal twitch, individual twitches will vary). s/he isn't defacing blather in any way other than filling up the recent page more. and i personally would not be a part of any community that ejected members because they were "annoying." my opinoin of kx21's writing doesn't matter, and nor should yours. each voice here is valid, and while you can bitch all you want about how much it annoys you, actually suggesting that s/he be silenced, your judgement inflicted on another simply because of majority rules, is fucking repulsive, pardon my french. see: the_beauty_of_anarchy, which i will get around to writing someday. 040826 ... TK Ever think he's doing it to intentionally piss us off? Not to long ago KX didn’t really get that much attention from us (at lest not to the extent s/hes getting it from us now) I mean we would speculate about the origins of his/her name but for the most part unintentionally ignored the KX, so maybe its the whole "Bad attention is better then no attention at all" thing, I mean we're definitely noticeing him/her now, lest more so then when we use to in the past, so that may be his/her ploy... ......OR Its like a marketing thing, like how commercials of various products try to get our attention by being wacky and strange, and by doing this he's not trying to sale us some doodad we don’t need or an expensive car, no instead he's using that odd form of communication as a –gimmick- to get our attion and not just to say "hay look at me" but to direct your attention to thing's s/he considers to be of importance, such as the war, or the question of life or what have you, I mean it's along the same line of when s/he was s_e_e_d_s___o_f___l_i_g_h_t s/he was trying to get your attention yes, but also trying to get across a meaningful message as well, seeing that when s/he was just talking regularly we didn’t really pay him/her too much mind s/hes now doing this instead so we'll notice the message s/hes trying to convey. I mean rember when Mahayana first came to blather and how she spoke/wrote so differently, she automatically captured our fascination (I'm still fascinated and captivated by her) and was able to keep us captivated w/ the way she wrote (well more then just the -way- she wrote their tended to be a lot of substance and humor in what she had to say) maybe seeing the attention and adoration we lavished onto Mahayana KX though that s/he'd kinda try the same thing to get our attention and notice the Message and Meaning in what s/he was expressing. Unfortunately this has back fired, and why s/he continues to try and communicate to us in this fashion is beyond anything I could speculate. 040826 ... falling_alone ugh...no passwords, i'd only forget mine 040826 ... Elmo Ok, my opinion doesn't matter for toffee cause i've only been here about 2 weeks, but here's my take on it all. Blather is blather, it's for people to put down what they feel like putting down when they feel like putting it down. BUT, just like anything else, it can be abused. From what i've seen and heard, KX is abusing blather. Someone made a good point in another thread by saying that every time KX posts a news thread, it takes up webspace. Maybe not alot by itself, but when you add them all up i'm sure you'd be surprised. The thing is, if people want news, they can go to a news site. We don't need someone to force feed us news through a website where we're trying to relax, it's just not condusive to the right atmosphere. I think a login system may be a good idea, that way abusive posts, and the posters themselves can be removed quickly and easily. But the only problem with that is, blather would then turn into some mutant forum (it kinda is already but it's just unique enough for it not to matter). I dunno, just my two pence. 040827 ... thunderbuck ram Even after only a few days in here, it is obvious that blather is a BIG place. Plenty of space for everyone. Also, never underestimate the human capacity to ignore that which pisses us off. 040827 ... witchesrequiem Now I am a computer idiot! But what if the person/s that keep up with/pay for blather etc.. say to hell with it all and we are one of those web sites that the system can not find/no longer exists. The reasons ...could start a whole new blath anyway.... but the point is I guess Blather does exist (for now) so let just fucking enjoy it, an stop being pessimistic! 040827 ... Bespeckled Misstree, much as I have spoken out against what kx is doing and stated that IP-banning seems to be the next logical step, it simultaneously breaks my heart to actually think it would come to the point where someone, anyone, would be "banned" from blather. What blather ISN'T is a messageboard with logins and passwords and IP-banning rules. I love blather, I respect blather, I owe a lot to blather, and I love all of the people here. And it is because of this profound love and respect I have for this place and these people that it angers me so deeply to see kx sowing his wild oats. I love his regular posts, the ones that were too complicated for most of us to understand (except for maybe dosquatch, on occasion), the ones that made a "point". But the recent onslaught of re-posted posts, newslink posts, dribble and drabble and crap, infuriates me. I do realize that banning the person responsible for that would also be banning the same person who produces such awe-inspiring and even beautiful writings. The simplist solution here is for kx to realize self_censorship. (See anti_censorship.) I just wish he could convey himself to us, or at least to me, why he continues to do what he is doing, in terms I may understand. Kx, my email address is aphrodite7717@hotmail.com. 040827 ... kx21 "produce" NO Evil... 040827 ... .An "amazing" newslink * produce_no_evil * 040827 ... . Bespeckled (Moving this response to a new page to avoid getting what_could_happen_to_blather off topic ...) kx, don't you think that "producing evil" is what YOU are doing? 040827 040827 ... kx21 *** * Water_droplet *** Produce_NO_evil iff Speak with "Fact" / "Truth" 040827 Tell One why_NOT... And_I_will_tell_you_how_wonder_you_are... 040827 ... Elmo Maybe it's a deliberate trolling move? I'd be very dissapointed if it was but you never know what some people are capable of. If we could get a coherant sentence out of KX it might help us to understand him/her better. Please do not mistake this for an attack, what i'm saying is maybe this thread is neither the time nor the place for riddles. 040827 ... kx21 yesterday's... 040827 ... Lila Pause I'm_tired. 040827 ... ☺ i_found_god ... 040827 ... Elmo Ok KX, i think this has gone too far. I'm sure you realise who made this post and why she made this post. She is the or one of the creators of blather, and if I were her i'd be extremely offended about the lack of respect for the service she is providing you. Blather gives us a conduit to voice ourselves to the world at large, for free. Yet you seem not to care that she cannot let the situation you continually create to go on. You are wasting valuable space and destroying the overall atmosphere of blather as a whole with your irritating news posts and refusals to give her a straight answer. It's unbelievably rude. I think it's only proper that we get a real answer out of you, and soon. 040827 ... p2 i support an ip ban but if he knows as much about computers as his name suggests expect to ban at least 10 ip's just for him and even then it may not be enough 040827 ... p2 note: i am not here to argue if it's philosophically right or wrong to ban anyone on blather amy from newdream.net has asked for our opinions on how to restrain kx21 perhaps the decision to bar kx21 has already been made 040827 ... stork daddy and thus from the law of nature came the law of man 040827 ... sahba holy fuck that kx21 dude has typed to be exact on 1821 words 040827 ... stork daddy you do realize that this is more about one blatherer right? because what it amounts to is a declaration of what kind of activity is allowed on blather and what kind isn't. once the ability to ban has been granted, it follows that this ability can again be used and who decides the reasons for the use of this tool? Do we vote on it? And then does unpopularity become a standard for banning? Do we think ourselves capable of establishing reasonable standards and rights from the onset which we'll all hold ourselves to? I'm not a libertarian when it comes to human lives, but human expression in a limited enviroment like this is a different situation alltogether. Also when we're voting do we just take into account our interests, or do we take into account the interests of everyone who has ever blathed as well as those who could have discovered the site in the future? banning an ip address gives us a solution to just getting rid of kx21, but doesn't it also set a sort of precedent for what is and isn't acceptable on blather? is misstree going to move to remove blathes like "my dog is really really cute" everytime some teenager posts countless inane observations from their life (which may to them be the gems of their existence). And so it may be with kx21, who obviously spends a lot of time linking and connecting for whatever its purpose may be. I'm just one voice, but I really think we should look at what kind of principles we're implicitly supporting here before we move to get rid of kx21. were i to publish a novel on this site, it would perhaps take up pages and pages, perhaps it would even conceivably be a burden on the providers of this space, and would it then be bannable? it may be reasonably observed that kx21 believes what it is doing has some merit. we have to ask what the desires of the creators are of course, but we also have to ask what we assumed the purpose of blather to be from the getgo, and what its actual structure suggests it is, as well as what we want it to be since we form an essential part of its existence. there were no passwords at its onset, and passwords would seem to change its very form. i would assume, though it's arguable, that the creators have the right to change blather with or without our permission. It is instructive though that they asked our permission. We form an essential part of blather's existence and continued evolution, and so you have to ask yourself, what did you think blather was when you first saw its form. No one here would argue that kx21 hasn't made creative use of the hyperlink feature so unique to blather. so what kind of rule are we setting? 040827 ... sahba somehow his main line is "produce no evil" and we dont produce it it isnt a consumer good that you can just produce and you know to all them people like you who dont have anything better to do than sit around and fuck up one of the few good sites around infact "you are" producing disgust and what the hell is problem in the first place what you cant stand to view people unbiased and unadultrated view on whatever the they want to write about is it so hard for your mind to accept that yes people can say whatever they want here but no that DOES NOT mean you go running around all over the place typing shit because you cant handle the freedom this place offers all you can think of is "hey i can do whatever i want here oh i KNOW let me go fuck it up" 040827 ... sahba i must apologise i shouldnt have typed that 040827 ... sahba but seriously getting a login system for blather would be terrible it goes against the idea itself 040827 ... silentbob My opinions are: we don't change blather. Blather is chaos and anarchy. The experiment is to see what takes place, to see where we take it. We, as in Kx21 is taking it to flooding us with random shit unnecessarily. We, as in the rest of us who flood blather with mindless poetry and bullshit want it to stop. Therefore, the experiment has taken the turn of just us blathering what we want to be done, and not what actually will be done or even should be done. The best we can do is ask kx21 to stop. Where is the person behind the letters and numbers? is kx still 21? kx21 hasn't really displayed his/her own emotion, just the emotions behind the cutting and pasting of liberal links. but i'd hate to actually think that kx21 is feeling pained by all of this. i mean we're annoyed, but we're not in pain. kx21, i don't want you to feel pain. you are doing this to yourself. 040827 ... p2 the result of chaos and anarchy is_someone_deleting_the_political_pages if this were truly a free-for-all blather_crash and blather_white_screen would be more frequent instead the blather_gods & u24 (blather_demi_god) stepped in to fix things we do not have free reign here freedom is an illusion 040827 ... p2 oh yeah and as to who decides who gets banned the answer is the blather_gods amen. 040827 ... stork daddy of course there is not unrestrained freedom. freedom's just another word for nothing left to lose right? and we definetly have something. but the question is what? you really think only the people who created blather have a say when they created it with open useage, and when so much of its character is due to its denizens? i'm not saying that's not a valid stance, i'm just pointing out the implications that has. 040827 ... silentbob Someone has the power to blank out pages. but they took it upon themselves to stop. I meant chaos in that we can't stop anyone from doing anything. KX21 is the perfect example of what i mean. that is chaos. granted, the blathergods can step in, but those are the blather gods. im talking about us. we can do anything in our power to do. and its in our power to stop doing it. and we can do that too. unless something happened that i completely missed. 040827 ... :) Bespeckled 123 Amen. 040828 ... u24 I've never blanked or removed anyone's pages. In fact I've even unblanked a few of kx21's. Actually, that reminds me. I unblanked them because I was worried that blather would degenerate into a 'war' of sorts. Banning or removing logins is the same concept, just offically sanctioned. Which is just as bad, if not worse. So, in a complete turn-around of opinion, I don't think we should do anything. Blather's greatest appeal is the fact that it's a level playing field, anyone can say anything, with no feared implications. adding the prospect of being banned, or having your posts removed brings into question whether we'd need an 'acceptable use policy', and that's not a road I want to go down. Another possible solution - I'm not saying whether I think it's a good idea or not - the folks at newdream (if they're honestly that bothered) could create a new edition for kx21. That way he's happy, and we're happy, and it doesn't take any more space on their servers, because if it wasn't there he'd just post it here instead. I don't think that's going to be a popular idea, though. While we're talking about changing blather - could you fix the html insertion bug - it's fun to create test pages, but after the recent abuse I don't think it's such a good idea to keep it hanging round. 040901 ... globalfruitbat petty equals? me picking up on the comment that misstree made about *ahem, toeing the ground in a bashful way* fruitbats pissing sprinkles on eveything? Just wanted to say that if my enthusiasm for blathing and my fear of comments on anything that was slightly more personal offened her, I apologise. i really respect her writing (she's one of the cool kids, y'know?) and it sucks that if she did notice me, it was becuase I was blathing on and on in an annoying way...a little like this. off topic and irrelevant, so apologies once again, but there ya go. 040901 ... daxle how do you dissagree with a question? there's so much misinterpretation between people that sometimes i wonder why we bother at all. 040901 ... stork daddy did it ever occur to miss sassy pants that the disagreement was with an answer to the original question, proposed multiple times in the blathes above? 040901 ... pete is this disagreement in question my original disagreement at the very top, which is a disagreement with the very proposal at hand... it would be better for the blather gods to end the experiment than to allow any sort of censorship as proposed her to exist, especially over a member who is operating at a level above most people are comfortable thinking at. 040901 ... stork daddy actually to avoid misinterpretation, it would seem you're referring to pete's original blathe. still, in a question which proposes something and then asks should we, a disagreement can be seen as a negative reply to that proposition. Should we is usually similar in most human interactions to saying do you agree we should, and so it is here since it can be reasonably inferred from context that amy may be leaning towards this option, or at the very least that this option is the focus of our consent or dissent, since a more open-ended question such as "what should we do about kx21" wasn't asked. how come no DDR pics? 040901 ... stork daddy yeah pretty much what he said. 040901 ... misstree storkers, that was one helluva sentence. took me a minute to pick through it. and i'm still not sure what you said. today is a dumb day. and globalfruitbat, mine apologies, fruitbat was just a treespeak invention combining fruitiness with babybat (young goth) associations, and in no way was it meant to be a dig. sorries, and thanks for pointing it out. u24, though the concept of another edition just for kx21 sounds somewhat appealing, i'm not sure that he would use it, especially as there appear to be others that converse with him (so it would actually be an edition for them, not just him), and i don't see how it would save any space on the newdream servers, unless someone else were to host it. (might just be me having a dumb day, like i said, but i hadta ask.) 040901 ... amy i just wanted to blow something up. no worries, no real action was being planned. i feel so good about myself when i exert power to save our citizens! 040901 ... TK If nothing is being done then how is that saving us (and who’s to say we need to be saved?)Was this concocted by you just so you'd feel powerful and authoritive? sheesh 040901 ... extrapolate cube_is_a_retard 040901 ... ... . 040901 ... daxle the tension mounts and the result is a little flag hanging out of the barrel "bang!" 040901 ... globalfruitbat@hotmail.com oh good! I'm glad I was over-reacting rather than being an annoyance... much rahter be a drama queen than that horrid one whom everyone rolls their eyes at and wishing would just stop rambling on and on and on...once again, like this. 040901 ... u24 aw, amy, you shouldn't have admitted that. it could have turn into a great debate. misstree - he'd use the same amount of space, whether it was in this edition or another. I wasn't saying it would save space, but it wouldn't cost any more. If he didn't use it, it could be deleted. (moot point anyway, now...) 040902 ... kxxx69 You're right, he would never use it. He would miss his captive audience too much. 040902 ... Bespeckled *Pretending for a minute that she didn't read amy's latter post* Okay, my final thought on this kx business, and I'll never speak his name again (...don't quote me on that): You (a few of you) have convinced me; kx should not be banned; it's not the blather way, and it represents a wrong greater than that of kx's doing. I still highly suggest and laud self_censorship. And since we all know that kx will never practice self_censorship, and IP-banning is the greater of two evils, we are left holding our collective dicks in our hands. So it goes. 040902 ... kxxx69 You're right, a group wank is just about all that can be done at this point. 040902 ... :) The M of Flip_Flop_and_Flip:- Tit_for_tat in the Blather Space 040902 ... stork daddy collective dicks are fuckin hot! 040902 ... p2 a special edition blather wouldn't work i liken kx21 to a flasher it's not enough to sit at home and masturbate he's got to show it to the world disregarding whether anyone is interested or not 040902 ... who me? go bollocks blather is huge it is for everyone! who are you people who claim you should be able to ban someone from using blather, you fucking scum! this disgusts me to see people planning on ganging up on someone you people have turned this into a chatroom sort yourselves out if you dont want to read kx21's posts then fucking ignore them you pathetic cunts, leave the poor sect freak to blather his/hers twisted ramblings about shits and stars. what could happen to blather you say? well it could get turned into a damn chatroom where people start making friends, once the mystery around it and the nonsense but sometimes profound ramblings brought me back, now people plan this banning bollocks. sort it out you fucking geeks. 040902 ... misstree and your presence is, of course, valued. your unoriginal obscenity, blanket insults, and incendiary reactionism truly illuminate through contrast what gems free intellectual communitites can produce. 040902 ... p2 mr. bollocks you, sir, are a faceless coward what you are not is a newdream admin therefore do not presume to tell me what blather is or isn't you are also not paying for the storage or bandwidth or cpu cycles that could be used elsewhere someone from newdream asked our opinions and we gave it so unless you are saying kx21 is free to blather his crap but we're not free to have our own opinions bugger off 040903 ... Strideo well said ... 040903 ... ... 1,2,3,4 I smell a flamewar. 040903 ... pobodys nerfect I came to blather tonight to check out the recent page and got all excited when i saw this thread. I wish i hadn't read any of it though, because by the time i got to the end, i was completely disgusted with most of what all the passive "kx is a person with feelings too!" liberal crap that i read. BAH! =P *goes back into non-posting mode* 040903 ... minnesota_chris mmmm, misstree, I thought you were too big for sarcasm... 040908 ... three words jesus what_could_happen_to_blather the_gates_to_helsinki 050503 ... sad_bitch kx21 needs some attention because he is a sad fucker - if you want him to go away just ignore him. most of us have a political view of the situation(s) but we don't shove it down people's throats. so kx21: FUCK OFF AND DIE. now igonores your stupid ass. 050503 ... 0^0 POT21k 050503 ... POT21k "hearts_entwined" 050503 ... meta meta 060511 ... Bespeckled Interesting revisiting this debate in the era of reddit and shadow-banning. 171205 what's it to you? who go blather from