kx21_a_final_question daxle In all that you have written, I have seen nothing but questions. It is true that sometimes your questions become answers. Although at one point you discredited the theory of relativity, what I have gotten from your writings is that all is relative. Does enlightenment come from realizing that there are no truths/answers? Are you satisfied and happy? Why do you continue to live when it is possible to choose not to live? How do you decide what to do every day when it isn't necessary to do anything? 020826 ... kx21 PCA:- The Answers of your questions are somehow dependance on your limit of Truth... 020826 ... kx21 Note:- The theory of SR/GR is not really relative, given its postulate:- The speed of light is an abosolute constant / the mass of light is exactly equal to Zero. 020826 ... daxle No PCA's please... what are YOUR answers? do you have any truths, kind or not? 020826 ... v come on, he doesn't have any fucking answers. he poses elementary philosophical questions with quirky broken english, and that's about it 020826 ... kx21 Dear Daxle, Refer to Scientification_of_God for the_Truth... M_thank for your Q_As... It good to note that kx21 is the founder / designer of MP21- The Physics for the 21st Century; and & One of the Leaders in M_matter, M_question & M_answer... Happy reading & exploring the M of kx21 & have a fantasy, fun & fresh day... 020827 ... kx21 (Revised version) Dear Daxle, Refer to Scientification_of_God for what is the attribute of the_Truth... M_thank for your Q_As... It's good to note that kx21 is the founder / designer of MP21- The Physics for the 21st Century; and & One of the Leaders in M_matter, M_question & M_answer... Happy reading & exploring the M of kx21 & have a fantastic, fun & fresh Memory... 020827 ... kx21 Thus I have heard / Posted:- On Enlightenment:- Nobody can force Old Cow to drink water even for its Good... On the beauty of Inaction:- Refer to M_Theory for the M_answer... 020827 ... v M_bullshit 020828 ... daxle I guess I shouldn't have expected any more than this... kx, like most of us, has found nothing more than any of us, but has wasted a lot of time thinking about things. About now, all I really care about is how to stop thinking about things. I think I know the "answer". 020828 ... v damn straight. he's regurgitating bullshit in a gimmicky way. it would be far less annoying if some people didn't think it was brilliant 020828 ... th Walrus down on the farm You CAN force Old Cow to drink water. Just hold his head under the water, and then run around behind him, and suck on his ass! 020828 ... ~gez~ LOL that made me laugh so hard. thanks dude 020905 ... Tildan Perhaps the value in kx21's work is not the answears he seeks, but the process of questioning. You're taking it all wrong - the learning process is whats important, not the actual result. There is no quick fix truth. 020905 ... v lots of people ask questions. the ones he asks aren't particularly thought-provoking or insightful, and are certainly not original--they're just written with a strange style. some people seem to think his "questions" are brilliant, but i don't. it's far more style than substance, and i personally find his style annoying 020905 ... daxle first of all, you don't need to be judgemental. how do you know I'm "taking everything all wrong"? you say it's a learning process, but what is being learned? how to ask questions? logical thought patterns? I think most of us around here are quite proficient at that. 020905 ... kx21 Can one get rid of all the Quantum Fluctuations in the Cosmos logically, physically, emotionally & spiritually? 020905 ... kx21 Specifically, Does Absolute Truth really exist in the Cosmos, given the Quantum_effect(s) / Butterfly_effect(s)? 020905 ... kx21 Which is more important:- Time or Money? 020905 ... daxle no, no, and neither are important. the butterfly_effect simply confirms the nature of the universe: one thing was caused by another which was caused by other(s) and so on. any given occurence is just a point in the web of all occurences, affected by all, affecting all, by some degree of proximity. 020905 ... kx21 Which is lighter:- Photon or neutrino? 020906 ... kx21 Is God the Master of all Trades? Why & why not? 020906 ... kx21 Does God's equation really exist? 020906 ... daxle photon, god does not exist, and again, god DNE 020906 ... Tildan ok sorry- didn't want to try to label you daxle. I just happen to find his questions thought provoking, if not enlightening. 020907 ... kx21 *** * Square Peg & Round Hole *** How many square pegs can fix perfectly on a Round Hole? 020907 ... Photophobe If a man who can make anyone laugh tells his jokes to a person who is unable to laugh, what will happen? 020907 ... kx21 What are the Sensors of Smile? It's more than Mouth / Face. For instances, Eyes, Mind, Heart & Soul... 020907 ... daxle biology of smiling: brain chemistry. sit down and do some research. 020907 ... kx21 Tell me how to weave or string a a genuine Smile with the absence of Mind, Heart & soul... And_I_will_tell_you_how_wonder_you_are... 020908 ... daxle mind, heart, soul, and smile are not seperate things. they are different sides of a whole. just like the north face of a boulder is not a different boulder from the south face... just different aspects of the same thing. 020908 ... kx21 *** * M_Theory on Smile *** Each genuine Smile is an Universe... Proof:- Spoken yet unspoken... This completes the proof. Copyright 2002 kx21.com 020908 ... kx21 M_question: What is the Origin of Causality? 020908 ... daxle see: causality 020908 ... kx21 M_answer:- Acausality? 020909 ... kx21 What caused the acausality? 020909 ... shhh another causality 020909 ... [.:..The SeeR ..:.] What kx21 seeks to attain is ...:.. perception ..:... The quest for understanding is obstructed on all sides by cloudiness. He cannot see all things, for his perspective lies within the very universal concepts he is trying to grasp. Just as organisims living on the gears of a clock will never understand the true reasons for there turning and grinding, human perspective is unable to ascertain the Creator's view. But since the element of Time has been added to our existence, our quest-ions now become a journey. And what may seem unanswerable now, may seem obvious later. 020910 ... kx21 M_theory:- Each particle or String is an Universe... How many Universes are wrapped in each Human creature? 020910 ... xxxxdaxle it is not a fixed number 020910 ... v if each particle is a universe, then the amount of "universes" in each person would be equal to the number of particles in that person. but so fucking what? 020910 ... kx21 PCA's answer(from God?):- If you ask this question, you deny your own chicken-nature. Reference: Your search: why did the chicken cross the road Web Page Matches 1 - 20 of 258,000 For instance, http://www.univox.com/writer/chicken.html 020910 ... sfjjf;sa perhaps if you would elaborate and expand your word band (using words other than conjunctions and nouns?) we could understand your words better... 020910 ... asdfjsa ahem... 'word BanK' 020910 ... v exactly. what you're saying isn't intellectually complex, it's just annoying to read. how about breaking character for a second? ...nevermind, the style is your whole schtick anyway... 020910 ... kx21 What is the Origin of Computer? 020910 ... kx21 What is the origin of Human Creature? 020910 ... kx21 especially. ' v '? 020910 ... daxle human is the origin of computer. evolution is the cause/effect chain which led to human. began with cells, began with membranes, began with molecules, then atoms, etc. 020910 ... kx21 What is the origin of atoms & its particles:- ' Let there be light ' ? 020911 ... kx21 What is the origin of atoms & their particles:- ' Let there be light ' ? 020911 ... elxad matter/antimatter quark trace backwards 020911 ... kx21 Can the M_Matter (e.g. Quark) evolve without the spark of Light? 020911 ... daxle new question: does it matter? is it necessary that we know? 020911 ... [.:..The SeeR ..:.] what matters is that we possess the ability to form questions and ponder answers. Once you are able to realize the significance of our ability to quest, you'll understand the purpose of our nature, as well our inheirent design. Why is it significant that humans can stare up at the sky and ponder their existence? 020911 ... daxle it is significant because they can use their incomplete knowledge to arrive at incomplete plans of action for their lives... so in reality it doesn't mean anything... 020911 ... daxle I didn't quite explain my point... it's that we exist because of past cause/effect. We don't have a purpose... we exist because we exist (because we evolved, because of the events which started our evolution). 020911 ... kx21 How many ' Ancestors ' did each Human creature have? M_Hint: There are roughly 10^22 atoms in a square centimeter 020911 ... v oh, so we can tell how many "ancestors" each person has by realizing how many atoms fit into a given volume? that's fucking retarded 020911 ... kx21 A M_bubble contributed by v... 020911 ... v yes, an m_bubble. whatever that means. that doesn't change the fact that you have nothing to say 020912 ... kx21 A simple M_Theory, on ground Zero, Speaks more than a Thousand sophisticated M_bubble... 020913 ... [.:..The SeeR ..:.] So, Daxle, say we're not pondering our own existence, but instead a... blossom on a cherry tree... for instance... Why does the Cherry blossom exist? You would say there is no purpose? it just exists because of past relationships? 020917 ... daxle yes, I would say that. oh and that was a great way to get me talking... mentioning plants. I won't go into too much detail, but the cherry blossom exists because of evolution:past events. Flowers exist to attract pollinators- the petals and fragrance of cherry blossoms. Cross pollination is necessary to create unique genetic make ups of offspring, so that they have the potential to be better and surviving/reproducing than their parents. Which also explains why flowers/their ovaries --- seeds. Plants originally had free swimming "sperm" (male gametes) which were subject to being dried up and wasted. To go from water to shore to drier areas plants had to evolve past that --- conifers. See, all the unique organisms have evolved to be able to live and reproduce as well as possible. This is circular. We are born because of reproduction and for reproduction. It only happens because it happened. Thus, there is no ultimate purpose. 020917 ... [.:..The SeeR ..:.] So...it's all like a big string of dominoes? ... The domino falls because it's knocked over by the dominoe before it fell? 020917 ... [.:..The SeeR ..:.] If so, what caused the first domino to fall... and where did the "dominoes" come from? What caused the first birth? Your answers only lead to more questions... If I kept asking these questions, would we ever reach the roots? That is to say, if we trace back through the process of evolution to the very begininng, Would we ever find the beginning, or just another end of an even deeper beginning? 020917 ... [.:..The SeeR ..:.] What about humans.... The cycles of life are ecologically balanced, except for the presence of humans. All life contributes to the balance of nature... Except we humans destroy the balance of nature... Clearly we are partially alien to this environement. Why would nature evolve a means of destroying itself? ... How can pondering our own existence aid in the reproduction of our species? Why did our species evolve spirits? 020917 ... kx21 M_answer:- Causality / Acausality of the excitations of the particles, vibrations of the Strings, given Spirit = Free_will... 020918 ... daxle We're only beginning to understand the physics of subatomic particles. It will be quite awhile if we are ever able to discover whether there was an original "cause". However, I think due to the nature of the universe there can be no beginning. Just as time goes infinitely forward, it goes infinitely backward. Most people reject that because it's hard to wrap your mind around. Time is just another relative way of measuring things. There's a hole in your questions about humans and why they exist. You are calling upon some incarnation called "nature". There was no personal will involved in our creation. Nature did not make us. We have evolved to be as effective at reproducing as possible. Think about this: species do die off when they aren't competent enough. I reckon that's our fate. Perhaps we'll evolve enough to be intelligent to avoid it, but who knows. Self awareness can both help us survive and hinder us. I suggest some research on the matter. How do you know there is such a thing as a "spirit"? What does that word mean to you? Answer that and you'll answer your question. 020918 ... [.:..The SeeR ..:.] Well... Unfortunately most scientists disagree with you... They seem to think there was, in fact, a beginning of the universe which they call the big bang. Physicists know a great deal about this event down to the very first nanoseconds. Time and matter were evolutionary processes that grew and developed during the embrionic stages of universal creation, but they both "occurred" simultaneously. Scientists can pinpoint events that occurred,both before and after the existence of time and matter, and HAD to occur in order to make the universe exist as it is in its present state. The ancient greeks do agree with you, however, they believed in the "steady-state" model of the universe, that it has always existed, and always will exist. Of course, the attendance dropped at this school of thought soon after observeratory telescopes were invented. I guess I would refer to "nature" as a being, or an "incarnation"... The Earth Most Certainly Is Alive... The entire rock thrives with the stuff! And the OCEANS teem with life! Nature is the Mother who gave birth to us, and all life on earth. She abides the laws of Earth... kill or be killed. Although she is beautiful. We all know who the Father is. I'll spare you that bit of what you would consider ranting. How can you say there was no intelligence involved with the creation of the universe! The entire thing is built! with blocks (atoms), based on math! It Grows, It Developes, It Dies. Many who can understand the quantum physics behind the universe can arive at no other conclusion except that the universe came into being by means of intelligent design. Nature did In fact make humans, and all forms of life on this planet, the process is widely known as evolution. But there are some aspects of evolution that defy science... And thus lead us seaching upward... If humans are simply a collection of cells whose sole purpose is to reproduce and promote the species, then why do some humans choose not to have children? I mean... We're not drones servicing our hive. We have a Free_Will and we have a sense of purpose. I believe I have a spirit because I have felt it... I believe I have a heart too, though I've never seen it. I believe I have a subconscious mind. They are as real to me as my own hand. My spirit allows me to generate love. my spirit allows me to create as I wish. Wow kx21, when I first read that I all but dismissed it, but you definately are on to something there with that spirit = Free_Will thing... 020919 ... daxle The problems with your arguements are the assumptions you make. Since I don't believe in a lot of these assumptions, I find fault in your reasoning. But I'll get into that tomorrow I guess... but I don't really feel like it. What do I care if you understand what I think? [drifting off...] 020919 ... [.:..The SeeR ..:.] The beauty of your arguments is that they are necessary, and essential to the complete exploration human philosophy. 020919 ... v that sounds a bit patronizing, seer. the mother earth philosophy makes sense if you can accept that "nature" and "spirit" are entities and not just abstract constructs of the human mind. but you have to start with those beliefs as assumptions. it's reasonable to look at the earth as a living entity, but it's also reasonable to look at it as an unliving rock hurtling through space, covered in living things. is either case inherently stronger? i don't believe so. maybe the mother earth philosophy is more comforting, but personally, i go with the hurtling rock one. but anyway, since either philosophy is supportable, why is it that we choose our worldview (if we choose at all)? 020919 ... daxle I don't know if that was supposed to be patronizing, but I'll take it as an attempt to create a positive feeling discussion because I'd rather it be that way. I wasn't trying to be insulting with my comments either. So now, with renewed energy... I didn't say I didn't believe in the big bang. My point is that they don't know what caused it. I don't think that it's valid to attribute it to a mystical being. After all, that's what we did in the past, and then we found out the real reasons. Time and matter are measurements of our own. Therefore, they began when we started using them. You are false about me having the same philosphy as the greeks, and that was a very patronizing statement which I didn't appreciate, by the way. I don't believe our universe has always existed. I thought that was pretty obvious. Our universe "evolved" so to speak. Created by past events. You stated your belief in mother nature as a value judgement, because there are living things. There is no evidence or logic behind it (that you have presented). I think there are living things because living things evolved and I can't see what that has to do with a supernatural force. We don't all "know who the father is". That is your belief. Thank you for sparing me, though. I translate your next statement as "you should believe that there was a creator because the universe is too amazing to have happened by cooincidence". I maintain that it isn't. Think of all the "time" that passed... and what that could allow to happen... Math is another of our constructs which we built because the universe obeys it, not the other way around. People arrive at the conclusion of a "creator", as I said, and as you said without realizing it, because they don't know what else to believe. Is that really a good reason? I think it hinders our progress in understanding. Some humans choose not to reproduce because they feel it is most beneficial. I am one of them. I think that all living things would benefit if we would decrease our population size, thus giving us more chance for Survival and Evolution. I understand that you have faith in this idea of a spirit. However, from what I have seen, I think it is more likely a matter of brain/body/biology and its interactions with the environment. You say that your free will allows you to do as you will, but think about this- consider a simple decision, such as to eat an apple. This depends on So Much, such as, where you live, where the nearest apple is, how your past experiences and cultural environment have made you feel about apples. I think there is not one reason, but a conglomeration of past events which lead you to that moment. If you could have made any other decision, why didn't you? 020919 ... daxle In the first paragraph when I said "that's what we did in the past" I meant that we once believed that "the gods" made it rain, controlled our crops, and whatever else we couldn't explain otherwise. It was a mistake then to do that and I think it still is. 020919 ... daxle and about the idea of a steady state universe, no I don't believe that, because there is infinite space and time. to imagine it as a closed system with no inputs or outputs makes no sense. 020919 ... kx21 *** * What Constituted Free_will? *** 020919 ... [.:..The SeeR ..:.] Patronizing Schmatronizing... who gives a flip, The Earth is a basically a rock with a some water droplets hurtling through space, as you said, v... which I completely agree with... But what I'm saying... is that our planet has this "StufF" on it that make's it different from all the other planets... our planet *IS* special and unique compared with what we know about the rest of our galaxy (so far). This "StufF" changes things, it contains a great deal of energy and is extremely efficient, while simultaneously behaving harmoniously, artisticly and beautifully, although sometimes deadly. This "StufF" is LiFe! LiFe is different and unique, because unlike the rest of the universe, which also is simply hurtling through space for no reason (which I refuse to believe !) (The no reason part). (Don't read the contents of these parenthesis, Thank You!), LiFe Breathes... LiFe uses the universe as a set of tools. I don't want to get too deeeeeeep here analyzing LiFe, but It is pretty amazing that life even exists... Then think about your names... What I wonder, is where did LiFe come from? Because, it is so different... 020920 ... kx21 What is Life? Life is the Memories of Strings / particles... ( Extracted from M_Theory on Life ) 020920 ... [.:..The SeeR ..:.] Everything we know, or think we know, is basically an assumption... What we know could easily be altered. We believe whatever we choose to believe. And there really is know way to ever grasp the paradoxical dimensions of reality. Our perceptions are defined by our own minds, Our brains interpret the captured stimulii based on how we "____" (there is no word for what I want to say, but it would be like :Communicate Revolutions of Relationships...) with our environment. Basically, We Vibrate and Rotate. Time is not infinite, ask your local physics teacher, or look it up online... Again though, this is an assumption, how can we be sure that our understanding of physics is accurate? Would we percieve a change of universal proportions? How could you know? The logical answer would be Mathematics! But that is still only a belief of an assumption. After all, We could be dreaming all of this... ALL OF IT! I'm not out to write a novel, some of my ideas will not be fully explained, that doesn't mean I'm omitting details or misrepresenting facts though...If I'm reading things right, It appears as if I was misunderstood at some point. Sorry. I believe We Choose our world views, but only because we are predestined to do so. The way my mind works that way seems only logical and probable, even necessary for it all to work. Of course that's just my belief Based on my assumingly collected memories (assuming I really exist) and experiences, things I was told were true in school, things I learned were lies through-out life, genetic predisposition towards glial cellular activity in the brain, Extreme fascination with the discovery channels, and a small batch of events in my life that completely eliminate any shadow of a doubt that there truly is a God. 020920 ... kx21 *** * God = '? ' ... *** (Extracted from:- Scientification_of_God ) 020920 ... v we're predestined to choose our world views? doesn't that sort of determinism preclude any belief in free will? it seems that it's possible to create any abstract philosophical construct to explain our existence as long as it's not provable either way. for example, what if i said that an evil force created the world? we've all seen "evil" (or at least deviant/destructive human behavior). some aspects of life can seem random and pointless--what if a cruel, voyeuristic god created our universe to amuse himself with our collective misery? i don't really believe this, but it's reasonable, isn't it? i guess it doesn't fully explain the joy and beauty of the human condition, but then again, the belief in a benevolent god doesn't really explain misery and cruelty. (okay, it's possible to explain away cruelty and misery through a benevolent-god-supporting rhetorical construct. but converse rhetorical constructs could be devised to explain away joy and beauty in the "evil god" worldview.) anyway, both of these metaphysical realities seem equally reasonable to me. but belief in god and spirit and other literally-existent abstract concepts are based on *feeling*, not reason (though inevitably, they are supported by reason when verbally expressed). however, other people might sincerely believe (or feel) a completely opposite metaphysical reality. how can two opposite metaphysical realities both be true? to me, this sort of devalues the whole "feeling" method of discerning metaphysical reality. also, to me, judging metaphysical reality by subjective experiences or personal learned truths seems inadequate. what if your metaphysical worldview only *seems* consistent with your experiences and truths? couldn't it all be coincidence? how is absolute certainty ever possible? 020921 ... [.:..The SeeR ..:.] Remember, everything we experience is purely a matter of perception. And the key to Free_Will is perspective. From our perspective, we see our choices and act upon them based on reasoning. But from an omniscient perspective, knowing the future, the past and all that exists at present, our "free_will" would appear as predictable, obvious behavior, especially since what we choose, any time we ever make a choice... It totally alters the rest of time and the universe, forever... And in order for future events to be forseeable, the past and the present events must line up accordingly. Maybe, there is a *range* of potential futures that could be forseeable, (by God), who knows? And, you're right,it is "possible to create any abstract philosophical construct to explain our existence as long as it's not provable either way". Our history shows that. And some people think that because it's possible to create any story we wish... then all stories are merely inventions. And scripture, for instance, is merely a work fiction. [This type of thinking forms the basis for many atheist's views.] The ancient astrologers used to predict celestial events in order to "perform" them in front of their tribesmen, thrusting themselves to the top of their status ladder...But I guess that's beside the point. Humans are, for the most part, easily controlled. One could make up any creative tale one wanted to and see if people would believe it. And one could have money, power, status, and total control over whatever one desired if people believed it... But how hard it must be... Devising a tale that explains ALL of life's questions, explains how life evolved, contains timeless wisdom, extremely accurate history, knowledge of the future that actually comes to pass, a complete, total moral code of ethics, and a psychospiritual owners manual that has faithfully withstood the tests of time and scrutiny. Especially since everyone who you try to pursuade with your tale is CERTAINLY going to reject it based on it's lack of tolerance for their immoratlity. I think it would take more faith to believe in THAT then it would to believe that there is a Creator, an Intelligent Being, and that for whatever reason, It wants to communicate it's purpose for creating us. It's all part of the plan. I believe that coincidences are significant reminders of recurrent patterns within reality. Once everything is broken down to math...it all becomes either a One ( true, yes ), Negative One ( false, no ), or Zero. And these patterns either grow or die based on their basic charge. Everything has a formula... an equation... we're all just walking numbers.... our energy can be simplified and reduced at any time. My Point? Don't ask... Something about how true is really true in all forms of perspective. 020921 ... kx21 *** * Existence of God's equation *** Does God_equation really exist, logically, physically & mathematically /scientifically? 020921 ... kx21 Given Human... Life is a M_string of Human_Rights & Terrorist_acts on sentient / non-sentient beings... 020921 ... :) Ten_supreme_hearts_rule_the_world 040705 ... One OM... 040705 ... One OM... 040705 ... One OM... 040705 ... news skeptic are you john rappaport's brother? 041221 ... Yahoo! Search From John Rappaport's website: www.nomorefakenews.com 041222 ... - With all the propaganda floating around, it's a good idea to read the words of an American super-patriot, a man who was REALLY there. Not just a civilian. His name was Smedley Butler. He enlisted in the US Marines in 1898. He worked his way up from nowhere to become a major general and finally commandant of the whole Marine Corps. He fought in wars. He was, to many, THE hero of his time. After his retirement, he thought things over and wrote a little book called War_Is_a_Racket. If you can get it, it's worth perusing. 52 blistering pages. 041222 ... a "point". "War is just a racket. A racket is best described, I believe, as something that is not what it seems to the majority of people. Only a small inside group knows what it is about. It is conducted for the benefit of the very few at the expense of the masses." The_Graces_from_Heaven 041222 ... :) We_are_the_Universe... Amen. 041223 ... mp21k Bush_and_Saddam_shared_a_common_ancestor_'w_proof' 041223 ... epitome of incomprehensibility Nostalgia time? If you enjoy reading debates, but want a brief respite from the present... ..and although kx21 could be repetitive, my teenage self was probably sillier, injecting needless puns into we_are_the_universe and then wondering why no one took me seriously when I tried arguing why physics didn't imply a solely deterministic universe because multiple avenues of movement are possible at any given moment. (I *think* someone could make something of that which makes sense, but I'm not the one to do it, not being at all knowledgeable in the field.) Anyway, I like how one question turned into a series of them, and how the conversation evolved beyond the original participants. 220203 what's it to you? who go blather from