nirvana psyki the state of being extinguished like a candle 000224 ... BoofPixie a bad band. an overrated band. a millionaire's paradise. 000312 ... Brad Musical geniuses? no. Marketing geniuses: Geffen records. COnvinced a whole generation it's hip to not know how to play your instruments. 000312 ... birdmad maybe not geniuses, but not deserving such outright contempt (in my opinion) the markedly visible despair on Kurt Cobain's face at the Mtv Unplugged taping during the last phrase of the last song on the set. "Where Did You Sleep Last Night... My girl, my girl Don't lie to me Tell me where did you sleep last night? in the pines in the pines where the sun don't ever shine i will shiver the whole night through My girl, my girl where will you go? i'm going where the cold winds blow. in the pines in the pines where the sun don't ever shine i will shiver the whole night ..............through." I understand now. 000509 ... daxle was it good was it bad does it matter? either way it seems that kurt had a very significant effect on the face of yesterdays and I think he was genuinely in pain when he screamed and I'd rather have that than a bible under my arm and a glassy smile on my face or britney in my discman same thing really but in some ways I know he was a failure at life, so does that make his music a failure? I don't know 000509 ... Brad Sure he wa sa failure at life. This doesn't mean his music was a failure... however, i still feel his music was a failure. All it communicated was contrived angst and marketability at a particularly sensitive juncture in pop culture's perception of hip. At this time, it was possible and easy to convince the youthful record-buying public of validity even where there was little. The general public has no basis for creating a standard in literature art and music because of a weakened education system in these areas. The industry knows this, and takes advantage of the fact by producing a relatively low-cost, low-depth product with a high turnover rate and maximized profits. Rock bands to the standard of Nirvana's musicianship and intellectual depth are plentiful. The supply therefore outweighs the demand, so it is easy for the larger percentage of such "musicians" to be cast aside and the relatively arbitrarily selected "lucky few" to be elevated to the rank of pop culture icons. With the supply exceeding the demand as such, record companies can take advantage of even the "lucky few" by creating contractual standards which lower the perceived ideal of monetary compensation. With the price curve of music being relatively fixed; i.e. what the public will pay for a CD, the only foothold record companies have on profit manipulation is a convoluted method of, effectively, lowering monetary compensation by the "artists" themself. Furthermore, this is legitimized by an illusion of artistic or intellectual superiority where in fact there is none; the artists with true vision are subjugated even further by this process in that they are forced to take whatever business opportunities made available to them by scrupulous, fringe recording companies. It's more complicated than you think.... 000509 ... Brad so HA! : ) 000509 ... MollyGoLightly Have trying to figure out the exact formula we use to determine who our icons are. 000510 ... dican heaven 000511 ... MollyCule regardless of whether or not Nirvana and/or Kurt were geniuses, sellouts, or possibly both, I will always like them a bit simply for the song "Molly's Lips" 000519 ... gregg quite obviously, Nirvana (the band) has created quite an impact on some here for when the name is mentioned, the band comes to mind, and not the actual meaning of the word. personally, i like a few of the songs...all an artist does is add a new angle to communication, and if someone, a group, or whatever speaks to many people, is that wrong? granted some many musicians are no talent bores, but i am an artist without formal training in perspective and color mixing etc etc, does that mean that my paintings suck? no, it doesnt, if i've achieved my goal of communicating to my audience, then ive achieved my goal. (and it's all symbolic anyways right?) 000519 ... Splinken What's funny to me is how the dour-faced little man became a Face, like Marilyn Monroe was a Face, though I'd take her misery over his any day. 000614 ... guitar_freak Buddha, karma, a great band 001013 ... blocks blown out 001117 ... tourist Long John Baldry, Did A Song named Black Girl Which bears an uncommon resemlence to "Where Did You Sleep Last Night". The Final Lines Being... ...My daddy was a Railroad man Killed a mile and a half from Here His Head was found in the Driving Wheel And His Body Ain't Never Been Found It seems like Nirvana just borrowed other peoples stuff like so many other Musicians have, the business is ruthless, relentless in the push to sell product.But I have no point to make here. 001117 ... god those were great compositions. the music was incredible IMHO. 001117 ... psychobabe why did the band have to die with kurt? He was so kick ass, then god just had to take him away, why? 001122 ... birdmad found in the driving wheel actually, if i remember correctly, Kurt did attribute the song "where did you sleep last night" to someone other than his own band. only vanilla_ice and michael_bolton (in my most recent memory) have ever been stupid enough to claim something that was so very clearly not their own a good portion of the Unplugged show was the band paying tribute to the bands that had served as their influences 001122 ... lilitu Does anyone else notice that whenever you look at Kurt Cobain's eyes no matter where on a poster, real life if you met him...his eyes where always so sorrowful and sad. It's such a pity no one helped him 001216 ... unhinged jim carroll wrote a beautiful poem about kurt...i'll have to put it up when i get back to school. 010107 ... kx21 GOD's HEAVEN = SATAN's HELL... 010107 ... unhinged 8 FRAGMENTS FOR KURT COBAIN 1/ Genius is not a generous thing In return it charges more interest than any amount of royalties can cover And it resents fame With bitter vengeance Pills and powders only placate it awhile Then it puts you in a place where the planet's poles reverse. Where the currents of electricity shift Your Body becomes a magnet and pulls to it despair and rotten teeth, Cheez Whiz and guns Whose triggers are shaped tenderly into a false lust in timeless illusion 2/ The guitar claws kept tightening, I guess, on your heart stem. The loops of feedback and distortion, threaded right thru Lucifer's wisdom teeth, and never stopped their reverberating In your mind And from the stage All the faces out front seemed so hungry With an unbearably wholesome misunderstanding From where they sat, you seemed so far up there High and live and diving And instead you were swamp crawling Down, deeper Until you tasted the Earth's own blood and chatted with the buzzing-eyed insects that heroin breeds 3/ You should have talked more with the monkey He's always willing to negotiate I'm still paying him off... The greater the money and fame The slower the pendulum of fortune swings Your will could have sped it up... But you left that on an airplane Because it wouldn't pass customs and immigration 4/ Here's synchronicity for you: Your music's tape was inside my Walkman When my best friend from summer camp Called with the news about you I listened then... It was all there! Your music kept cutting deeper and deeper valleys of sound Less and less light Until you hit solid rock The drill bit broke and the valley became A thin crevice, impassable in time, As time itself stopped. And the walls became vises of brilliant notes Pressing in... Pressure That's how diamonds are made And that's where it sometimes all collapses Down in on you 5/ Then I translated your muttered lyrics And the phrases were curious: Like "incognito libido" And "Chalk Skin Bending" The words kept getting smaller and smaller Until Separated from their music Each letter spilled out into a cartridge Which fit only in the barrel of a gun 6/ And you shoved the barrel in as far as possible Because that's where the pain came from That's where the demons were digging The world outside was blank Its every cause was just a continuation Of another unsolved effect 7/ But Kurt... Didn't the thought that you would never write another song Another feverish line or riff Make you think twice? That's what I don't understand Because it's kept me alive, above any wounds 8/ If only you hadn't swallowed yourself into a coma in Rome... You could have gone to Florence And looked into the eyes of Bellini or Rafael's Portraits Perhaps inside them You could have found a threshold back to beauty's arms Where it all began No matter that you felt betrayed by her That is always the cost As frank said, Of a young artist's remorseless passion Which starts out as a kiss And follows like a curse Jim Carroll 010115 ... god that was too good. 010115 ... kx21 The_Ultimate_Bliss? 010116 ... unhinged i thought so too the first time i ever read it. jim carroll writes some good stuff. maybe i will put some of it up when i get the time. 010315 ... Sol is not attainable, because if you seek it you are self orientated and impure, you must however truly know yourself and have vanquished your 'self' for your 'soul' to reach it. 010418 ... yummychuckle the whole religious stuffs... but the band nirvana rocked. i miss kurt cobain, though i never knew him to begin with. Of course, obsessing over him and having many books, CDs, movies, and posters of and about him suits me well. 010601 ... jane it wasn't so much sadness or pain as it was hopelessness. 010706 ... casey Nirvana was a great band. The music video for Smells Like Teen Spirit represents my high school very well 010706 ... black-dyed gel product I still firmly believe that courtney love had kurt killed. 010707 ... yummychuckle and you should. she either pushed him to suicide by being the huge bitch she is, or she got sometone to kill him. 010707 ... Berlappen I don't think she had anybody kill him. I think he just possibly saw what his band had become in the mtv world and got depressed. If i was him and i had to be around and deal with the filth of our race everyday, not to mention his wife, i would be severely depressed. Who knows, he might have just waken up to the reality of today and saw how much of a virus his race really is to this world. I love kurt's his music and i felt through listening to his lyrics that he was not asleep to this reality. 010726 ... jem so he's dead. woop de doo, horray for drugs. remember the ramones? they were original. everything else is just a pawn. i dont even like the ramones anyway. 010726 ... black-dyed gel product "I have killed. I have killed others. I have killed a part of myself. I cannot change this. I must seek buddha. I must seek christ." "You must seek therapy." 010726 ... kx21 god's_breath? 010727 ... psychobabe god DAMN curt was a hottie 010912 ... psychobabe I'm so proud of myself!!!! I can actually play nirvana on my bass guitar! *smiles in great happiness* --come_as_you_are --smells_like_teen_spirit AND --In_bloom I amazed myself, behind my image, i am actually pretty good. with more practice maybe i'll be better. *smiles* 011117 ... sabbie and his tired voice sings 'jesus dont want me for a sunbeam' it must have been hard to be a squizzillionaire. 011220 ... pushpins hm, well i doubt molly will visit this again, but... mollys lips was just a cover from that vaselines song. so really, you don't have to even like them for that. 011221 ... Rael. ...& I guess they meant something to me. Meant everything, really, for a time. Kurdt. he was, he is, still beautiful. But you can't help but be mad at suicides... it's. It's like a slap in the face. a Fuck you. Suicide says to your loved ones, your 'fans', your family & friends, it says Your love, this life. It's not good enough. It doesn't sustain me. I'm leaving you.