mexico unhinged you could see me reaching so why couldn't you have met me half way? you could see me bleeding and you would not put pressure on the wound. YOu only think about yourself...you only think about yourself.... you better bend before i go on the next train to mexico you could see me breathing and you still kept your hand over my mouth. you could feel me seething but you just turned your nose up in the air. you only think about yourself...you only think about yourself... you better bend before i go on the next train to mexico incubus 011221 ... freakizh true.. nice song. apparently wrote in here, as i remember. VIVA MEXICO, CABRONES! :) i love my country. people are kinda stupid, but what the hell. and i love how we need to support USA for fear of being bombed/attacked "accidentally". oops, we bombed a civil hospital. oops, we bombed hiroshima. oops, we killed ten thousands of afghans. by accident. i'm glad people are not its government. otherwise i think we would be pretty fucked up by now. 020702 ... daxle where the rich look down on the poor and laugh where the natives are so beaten, stolen from, and diluted that they're hardly recognizable where goverment is a game of money and justice is a joke quite a bit like the US 020702 ... cheer-up-emo-kid I had a match but she had a lighter. I had a flame but she had a fire. I was bright but she was much brighter. I was high but she was the sky. Oh baby I was bound to mexico. 020702 ... Photophobe glittering I don't know much about, Cinco DeMayo. I'm never sure, What it's all about. But I said I want you, And you don't believe me. You said you want me, But I've got my doubts. Oh Baby I was bound for mexico. Oh Baby I was bound To let You Go. Da - Da - Da 020702 ... Dafremen Having lived here on and off for years, I have to say that daxle's statements are exaggerated half truths in that they are views of a different way of life through American eyes. This country has it's problems to be sure, but the rich give to the poor, the poor give to the poor and the starving starve because they are too proud to ask for food, not because it isn't given to them. The natives lose because they don't speak up, but when they do, they win...almost universally they will not let their spirits be stomped into dust and the fire of their passions be extinguished as easily as Americans will and do. La Revolucion, Cajeme, Chiapas...the people stand up when it is time, and as corrupt as their governments have been, when the IMPORTANT things were in risk of being lost, they stood up, almost to a man, and shouted to the Palacio, NO...NO MORE..you will take no more from us. Which of us would do the same? (For the pledge of allegiance? No we would not let our oath of allegiance to big brother our protector be taken from us would we? Our rights to privacy? To not be taxed on our earnings? Who needs those rights!?) In the states a four way stop is about WAITING your turn. Here it is about TAKING your turn. He who doesn't is left WAITING while the others continue to TAKE their turns. THAT is the indomitable spirit of freedom, what we ignorantly BLEET is injustice from our pens and corrals. But justice is slipping 5 bucks to the cop because you ran a stop sign, not 100 dollars and a day off of work. When the price of even PERCEIVED criminal activity is a possible reality, members of society take greater pains not to APPEAR to partake in criminal activities. Although I am a firm believer in "innocenct until proven guilty", Napoleonic standards have their advantages as well. This is one of the finest societies that I have had the privilege to take part in, and I've lived in a few, on both sides of the Pacific. Everyone's welcome to an opinion, there's mine. 020703 ... freakizh here's my two cents for you daffy: i agree a little bit more about what she's saying, though i know you have a point when you mentioned it was exaggerated. poors do ask for food-- yeah, instead of offering themselves to work. it's a pretty fucked up country you know. i was having this socioeconomic class where they taught me that mexico's GDP is mostly located in the possession of 10% of the population of the country. funny. 10 millions' satisfaction are no way 100 millions' happiness. justice sucks.. the laws are full of flaws.. just like when this drunk guy hitted a car with 4 girls at night.. one of them died. but it couldn't be considered a "cruel" or a "serious" crime because it needed at least 2 deaths. so the guy didn't went to jail, only payed a fee, a fee for killing. something among other thousands of cases, which are only the half of the reals one, because low class people are afraid of being abused by authorities. government IS a game of money, as daxle said. those guys win 2,000 dlls monthly just for NOT doing their job.. and they said the national budget is low.. because they spent it in fucking hawaii trips! not that i want the perfect country-- there's no such thing. but hell, sure i can complain about mexico's bad habits without any remorse. 020703 ... ilovepatsajak that's where you wanted to go with me remember? i just want you to find everything you need in me. 020704 ... Dafremen What makes OUR view of a JUST system the correct view of a just system? Do you realize that the rich are always complaining that only 5% of the people pay 96% of the taxes in OUR country? 10% wealthy sounds like a much more even distribution to me. I was in a restaurant the other day. This guy started with a taco stand. He now makes close to $5,000 a day after costs. THAT'S the American dream and it happens right here in Mexico every day. Personal incomes are not taxed down here. Nothing wage related pays much...but then again nothing costs much either, explaining why T.J. is flooded with pharmacies where Americans buy pharmaceuticals manufactured by the exact same companies as in the states, but at a fraction of the cost we pay. The criminal system? They dont believe in death penalties here. They believe in personal revenge. They don't wait for the government to protect them and protect their families and their interests, they protect themselves. They are self sufficient. They don't believe in frivolous lawsuits, so costs remain low for all and liability insurance for companies is practically non existent. This, once again, keeps the cost of doing business low, keeping the cost of living low. You do NOT pay property taxes on a modest home. You do NOT pay sales tax unless the owner of the store wants to push his business' income taxes off on you. Businesses pay taxes on profits. Many cops are crooked, but many are not. Justice is swift and reasonable. Live and let live is the motto down here, and if you're lucky enough to become one of the super wealthy, why should anyone hold it against you? (Notice how it's ok with some of you when it happens in the states...but not when it happens down here. F*ckin hypocrisy run amok.) People watch their kids, they care for and nurture them and build strong family bonds. Folks generally trust...at a safe distance...but they trust. They lend, they repay. When was the last time you walked into a major grocery store and asked them to let you bring them the 10 bucks later? It's certainly everyone's prerogative to go spewing about something they learned in "socio economics" class. Glad you're willing to take the word of a stranger who learned his facts from a stranger. I've been immersed in Latino/Mexican culture for 12 years now. I've come to know that corruption is a reality in any system where there is a concentration of money and power. Duh. But I've also seen how a society can systematically rape it's own people and have them bending over and asking for more and I'd rather take my chances with STOPPABLE corruption than THAT kind of systematic brainwashing of the masses by the corrupt in power stateside. I don't need a socioeconomics teacher to teach me what I can see with my own two eyes and hear from the lips of the people themselves. Their words, deeds and eyes say that they are proud to live and die in Mexico, rich or poor. We Americans only break out the flags for special occasions, like a wars, holidays or terrorist acts. We wave them like crosses at vampires, hoping that our temporary patriotism will make our fears go away. 020704 ... freakizh good one daffy. i would love to argue that but i'll have to surrender and let your words stay. nothing that may come up from my mouth may be as strong as what you said.. specially because i'm young and most of my comments are not that wellbased. yet.. i know people love to live in mexico. i DO. the people is good, the place is great. however, there's something very hard about living, that makes difficult even for middle class (mexico's middle class) to survive. our view of the system is not the right one as you said. there's no right or wrong, as in most of life's cases. but when you can sense that most of the people is dying because of hunger, that the average education is not higher than junior high, that the minimum wage is 3 dlls (proposed as a limit but it DOES applies in some cases), and our rotten culture's values (beer,fucking,living) can make you think that not everything is doing alright. it happens everyday everywhere, and as a resident of the country i can assure you mexico is a good example of that. if it doesn't sound that convincent or extreme.. it may be because we've been staring at the abyss too long that we no longer recognize it as potentially evil or different from the reality we all really want. a kiss to daffy. 020704 ... freakizh changing topic a little bit, in a more relaxed style, just for the record, i'll tell you more about those mexican law flaws that make me laugh so hard.. i read in the newspaper that DNA tests as evidence for cheating(adultery?) are not valid. if a couple is having sex in a range of 6 months, it doesn't matter if your child is identical to the milkman or even if your wife is pregnant from him. THE FACT THAT THE HUSBAND CAN FUCK HER AND KNOCK HER UP MEANS THAT THE CHILD IS FROM HIM. hehehe. and about rotten values.. today i talked with my father. he's actually watching e.r. with me, but he's not looking at what i'm typing. while we were driving to work, he told me that, to hire a person, he would never choose a person who's hobbie is black magic or favorite sport dominoes. neither he would pick a guy with artistical and social prefferences as results in psychometric tests because it may turn out to be gay. and according to my father, you've to think in long term effects, and being gay is a potential problem. and that's "not what a business wants and needs". he added a couple of things that established him in the very center of racism. meanwhile i tried not to look at him to the eyes, because they were filled up with hate and betrayal. for those who don't know me, i'm a bisexual girl. so hypothetically, if i was never meant to be his daughter, i would never be hired to my actual job, nor even close to be my dad's friend. it's sad, sad. and i'd love to blame mexico's culture for it, rather than accepting that my father is a total and complete idiot. 020704 ... daxle Sigh. I'd love to give a complete counter arguement but earlier I decided to give up my point just because I didn't want to jog my brain by going into the details of plant breeding so I certainly can't see working my brain for this. Can't I just be like 90% of people and stand by my views without ever having to back them up? Can't I just say "this is right and that is wrong" and not realize that there are no absolute truths? Sigh. No, that works. There are no answers, therefore, there is no reason to argue. 020705 ... daxle and speaking of songs titled mexico, I recommend beck's and I'll just throw in that I know a lot of people who have lived most of their lives in mexico and would highly disagree with daffy- take that as you will 020705 ... freakizh :D it's not easy to be hanging around without any bases hugs to daxle. 020705 ... Dafremen I have an entire colonia here that would disagree with you. Most of them probably don't have more than a Junior High School education, but they make more than 3 dollars(about 5.50 a day is minimum wage...50 pesos...they make more