words_that_cant_sound_cool kookaburra tutu pickle boo boo pee pee gingevitis monkey birdie horsey 040727 ... whyiotta bush plushy penie stem 040727 ... witchesrequiem Hey, I got a friend Monkey..and he's cool... 040728 ... The Heretic REPUBLICAN 040728 ... Strideo HATEFUL ... 040728 ... pete "I don't want a pickle I just want to ride in my motorsiiiiiiiiiiickle" 040728 ... kookaburra hey! i love that song! just woke up... 040728 ... silentbob merch poopoo pics ( not allowed anyway ) 040728 ... : armpit 080526 ... margaux toothbrush 080527 ... sameolme molten 080527 ... wait... but molten sounds cool next to lava! however, the word "molting" (or whatever it is that birds do) sounds rather odd 080527 ... Soma awkward moist 080527 ... featherduster "moulting" 080527 ... sameolme Moulted feathers rolling round me mouth feel cool till stuck molten like to the roof still cooler than thou. 080527 ... unhinged breasts tits boobs (why are there no good words to describe them?) 080527 ... ever dumbening who needs words? hands and tongues describe them better. 080527 ... jane i like the way you think. 080528 ... unhinged damn that's what i was thinking too *sigh* 080528 ... unhinged (i think it also has something to do with the fact that men are fascinated with them and women could generally care less about them or find them painful and annoying) 080528 ... dafremen feeble decrepit suppository seersucker amputee 080528 ... z horoscope chart sign 080529 ... . oh, you are biased by your skepticism, z. i think the words horoscope and chart sound quite nice. and i don't put much credence in horoscopy. 080529 ... z nice, perhaps, but can they sound cool? i am not a skeptic. i am an empiricist. i don't believe in the unproven. skeptic sounds like i entertain the possibility. i do not. regarding bias, everything about cool advances from our value systems. 080529 ... unhinged just because something is unproven doesn't mean it doesn't exist 080529 ... dafremen In fact, it sounds like you haven't done much research at all..like most "empiricists." I have a computer program that can generate an English interpretation so accurate that it'll either get you curious or shut you up if your "empirical" sensibilities can't handle the shock of being wrong. That's all it took for me...that and about 250 interviews and counting. I've presented the case for astrology here at blather often enough..pointed out where "empirical" researchers failed miserably in their attempts to "test the validity" of astrological lore..and provided a correction that is unbiased but still allows the SINCERE researcher the flexibility to use whatever "tests" they deem necessary. It's quite simple really. If you don't know how something works..but instead take your buddy's word for it...and your buddy ALSO doesn't know how something works..then you have chosen to play blind man's bluff while searching for the truth of that thing. Here are some examples: Empirical Myth #1: Astrology must be poppycock, because the recession of the constellations has changed the original positions of the constellations. The Fact: Astrologers do not rely upon the constellations to determine the positions of the signs. The positions of the signs are fixed and form a 360 degree circle in the space around us which is divided into 12 sections. Any first month astrology student would know this..indicating that empirical researchers did not even look into how astrology works before designing their tests. The use of constellations comes from a time when there were no clocks, calendars or computers to mark the passage of seasons and the positions of signs. A quick investigation by any TRULY open mind will reveal this. Empirical Myth #2: Astrology states that there are 12 types of personalities. The Fact: Astrology states that no two people will be born with the same characteristics for at least 2.5 million years..and by that time society and genetics will have changed even those people enough to make them unique. Astrology asks the astrologer to take into account cultural and hereditary influences as well as astrological ones. Astrology blends many aspects and is INCREDIBLY complex in its workings. 10 years later..a software engineer is still enthralled by the complexity of it. Empirical Myth #3: Research has already been done which proves that astrology is superstition and/or mumbo jumbo. The Facts: Researchers..content with their flawed understanding of how astrology works..designed flawed tests. A simple remedy for that would be for them to take ONE astrology course..or read ONE beginning level astrology book..to learn where they went wrong. OR, alternatively they could use a pre-screening method that I suggested several years ago which basically removes prospects whose charts contain conflicting influences. Again, any FIRST WEEK ASTROLOGY STUDENT could perform this pre-screening. All they have to do..is make sure that the Moon and at least 2 of these influences (Venus, Mars, Ascendant) are in the same sign as the Sun. Then they can perform any Sun Sign tests that have already been designed and performed, with startlingly different outcomes. Empirical Myth #4: Astrology states that the planets mysteriously influence our behavior. The Facts: While some astrologers may embrace this notion, most do not. Neither perspective changes the mechanisms of astrological interpretation. Most astrologers believe that the planets simply serve as the hands of a clock which is in tune with universal cycles. Much in the way that a clock which reads 12:01 PM doesn't influence human feeding patterns, but observing the position the clock is at does give an indication of when humans will feed..so do the positions of the planets indicate to astrologers where we are at in certain universal cycles. Empirical Myth #5: Ancient peoples developed astrology as a way of interpreting the stars influence on people. The Facts: Ancient peoples knew of astrological influences first by observing the people around them, then looked into a sky filled with trillions of stars at the correct times of the season and found shapes that reminded them of the symbols that they had found in nature which most reminded them of those people's behavior. Being so in tune with and close to nature..it was much easier for a shaman to teach his apprentice by saying, "These people are crab-like in their ways. Remember the crab and you will remember much about their behavior..find the crab in the sky and you will know when that time is here." Empirical Myth #5: There is no logical connection or physical explanation for any similarities between people born around the same time of the year. The Facts: People born around the same time of year have the following in common - The are all approximately the same distance from the Sun at birth, and thus affected by similar gravitational and photo-progressive effects. Newborns don't filter out much of the sensory input that comes into their still-forming brains. It doesn't take a great leap of faith to realize that behavior patterns are established by sensory stimuli as interpreted by the brain. Before the brain has begun to filter and establish biases..behavior is dictated by purely environmental factors such as those mentioned above. (Elaboration is available for anyone who has difficulty with this simple concept.) Conclusion: Empiricists no nothing about how astrology works because they don't care to and are blinded by biases introduced to them early on by other humans who know nothing about how astrology works. They are lazy when embracing preconceived notions. A rational person who is truly interested in getting to the bottom of a thing needs to check into that thing before deciding that it is not worth looking into. Otherwise that person becomes the blind being led by the blind. That is all. Word that can't sound cool: poppycock 080530 ... . ok, z, here's whats up. i appreciate that you are a rational guy, "an empiricist", etc. usually this is fine. but sometimes it is too much, sometimes it is misplaced. and sometimes it is damnably pretensious. see, here we were having fun. "fun". as in "lightheartedness." everyone's word contributions were words that are clunky and generally unpleasant sounding. then you politicized it. i mean, come on. you had to know that daf is an astrology buff, and that he is as hyperreactive as potassium. whether you meant it or not, your post reads antagonistically. then you want to split hairs with me about the precision of "skepticism" when i know you caught the nuance. generally your style is much more refined but this kind of thing makes you seem a bit conceited and at the same time, petty. furthermore, the reason daf (and others) put credence in astrology is because for them, their test runs with astrology return consistent correlations. whether you agree or disagree with their conclusions is irrelevant. since you yourself have complained about the lack of continuity/quality in some blathes, it seems strange that you would knowingly provoke the inevitable 100k firestorm that always comes from daf (*sigh*) over this sort of thing. now look at this blathe. ugh. you did not like it when others sabotaged meta; but here you have deliberately invoked the dilution of "words_that_can't_sound_cool". i love you both and have enjoyed many of your words and look forward to enjoying words from both of you in the future, but z, here you are definitely behaving villainously, because we all know you are much too intelligent to have accidently stumbled into this. that, or you truly cringe when people refer to meteorological diagrams (chart) or pass by those thingies indicating one should stop (sign), both of which are incredible. and to return some semblance of order to this previously unpretensious and "fun" blathe... "scurvy" 080530 ... dafremen (I'll use any excuse to get up on my astrology soapbox. This wasn't all on z. I've made it a personal mission to take on all comers in the "is astrology valid?" arena..having been a hardcore skeptic myself once.) Oh..and 'dilapidated' is pretty uncool. 080530 ... unhinged dilapidated is not an uncool word wait.....maybe i am uncool. a dork even. *sigh* 080530 ... . i know you will use any such excuse, and z must know that as well. that is why i object to his decision to beget more of what we've all had more than enough of already, which he must have known he was begetting because he is, in general, a bright individual. 080530 ... dafremen Fair enough. Denture is certainly a word with dubious "cool" value...no? 080530 ... dafremen I think there is a pattern emerging. Has anyone noticed that many of these "uncool" words haven't been blathed under? *heads off to the seersucker blathe* 080530 ... z lopsided expectation of decorum, that allow for poor behavior and rude, output from some skites but require the curtailment of self expression from others, is not something i will engage in. my reasons aside, the words that i have added are my opinion. are you asking me to self-censor? i am not inclined to, especially not to spare the feelings of a self described asshole who, demonstrably, would not do so for me. no, i don't think so. but thank you for your sincere and direct thoughts. 080530 ... sameolme z is a guy Z is an empiricist Therefore, guy=empiricist well maybe not, but I consider myself an empiricist, who is skeptical about astrology, yes skeptical but not dismissive. My experience seems to have an annoying habit of contradicting my beliefs. Ancient belief systems,for instance, acupuncture may not jive with modern scientific thought but still have credibility. I used to be dismissive of astrology, but then somebody did my chart and it pretty revealing in ways that have fostered self knowledge. So, I try to be ampiricaly open minded. 080530 ... z regarding astrology: anecdotal data is not the same as empirical data. it never will be until it is confirmed empirically. then it will be fact. 080530 ... dafremen For the record. I have no problem with what z did here..and find it amusing that he used his response to indirectly call me an asshole. Looks like z is looking to be part of another production. ; ) (Izzums holding a grudge? Awww...that's so precious. Poor widdo z got his ego hurt on religion_vs_philosophy. Get used to looking stupid if you want to keep coming at me, by the way. You have no idea what you're doing here..and so will continue (for as long as you make your ego and intellect your priorities) to flop around impotently like a fish on the deck of a trawler when you engage me. Ever thought of taking up politics? You know...sneaking around with words..engaging in unnecessary power struggles..etc.) 080530 ... dafremen z...if head up their ass empiricists like you won't look into it..how would anyone ever find empirical proof? Given the same funds that they give to the mutally back-patting academic ding-dongs that you so seem to admire..I guarantee I could provide that "empirical proof." Guaranteed. See...I thought about it. I looked into it. It's called a brain...try using yours for something besides trying to puff your sunken chest out..k? By the way...please pull your pants up..it's making me nauseous and stinking up the place. Oh wait..you were talking..and breathing. Makes sense now. My bad. Can you at least cover your face then, since you aren't using your piehole for anything useful? (Ohhhh..should I give this guy a break and let him know that he's actually retaliating against everyone EXCEPT me on this blathe? Naww..why spoil the fun?) 080530 ... sameolme Experience is the only source of empirical knowledge. 080530 ... sameolme I gotta admit, that as usual, I haven't been reading this blathe thoroughly. Some sort of feud is going on that I don't need to take the time to understand. 080530 ... unhinged DAF for once in your life, let_it_go . telling him how stupid he is is not going to get z to look at things from your point of view. don't be a dick. z i think you should read 'the universe in a single atom: the convergence of science and spirituality' by h.h. the dalai_lama . scientific materialism and religious fundamentalism are both dangerous worlds to dwell in, both sides of the same coin. atoms, photons, electrons, physics all existed long before scientists had the ways or means to define them. empirical data does NOT prove the nonexistence of religion and astrology and faith. and the dalai_lama makes a very scientific empirical case for that argument. (tibetan buddhist dialectics are very similar to the scientific method) YOUR perception creates YOUR reality, but it does not negate the truth of someone else's perceptions or reality just because they do not coincide. 080530 ... daf Fine do0d. I suppose. You know I've been watching your transformation with a great deal of interest. You KNOW now...I'm so glad to see you happy. As for convincing z to see things from my point of view..you should know me better than that. We can't convince anyone of anything..we can only plant the seeds and move on. This was just for amusement. I thought we were going to get a second episode of religion_vs_philosophy. Sigh. As you wish, my friend. Dern. *kicks at the dirt* 080530 ... daf (By the way..brilliant use of energy. You make me so proud. : ) 080530 ... unhinged i wasn't trying to convince zeke of anything other than the fact that empirical data alone does not the truth make. you can't just offhandedly dismiss something cause it doesn't line up with how you think...that means you too asshole (daf). and for the past week i've been quite miserable as a matter of fact. there is a little bit of truth to the biology/chemistry/psychology thing. i wish this wouldn't happen to me anymore; the big wet blanket that descends on my life. but i know how to get out from under it quicker now. which has nothing to do with this page whatsoever. 080530 ... dafremen Ooooo someone's testy. I wasn't talking about you convincing zeke, do0d. Go back and read. You suggested that I was trying to convince zeke. I gave up trying to convince people a very long time ago. Now I just plant the seeds..and occasionally come back to water them. Don't be an asshole do0d. Take a deep breath. Take your own fucking advice...maybe in suppository form if it helps. Don't be like me and zeke. The dahli lama for gawd sake. Sheesh. ; ) 080530 ... dafremen (Ok, for those of you just tuning in.. Folks are trying to give advice and what-not left and right and then telling each other to fuck off. Unhinged doesn't like folks trying to pigeonhole her and possibly took my "I'm so proud" the wrong way..triggering the "Fuck you asshole" reaction.) (I'm proud to know you..dumbass. ..and could care less what you think of me. You should know that by now too. "Courtin!" remember? Did you really think I'd use that phrase in casual conversation? It was so funny it made me cry when you winced at it. I've got a cruel bitchy streak that comes out...just like yours did. Take a chill pill Jill.) 080530 ... z unhinged: i will read that, because you recomended it. 080530 ... . z, i simply do not believe that you acted without intent to antagonize. however, i suppose you are entitled to imflammatory behaviour as much as anyone else. lord knows i've been imflammatory, though nothing on the order of the spastic Daf. generally z you are quite peaceful; there are many things i admire about you and that is one of them. but it was unfair for me to expect you to stay within the confines of a trait existing only in my own perceptive realm. and no, i do not expect you to self-censor. see, you've set high standards for yourself, which is good, though it makes one's foibles all too visible. i may not know you in person but i do know you as a blatherskite and i feel confident that your objection to the words "horoscope", "sign" and "chart" is what they SIGNIFY, not how they SOUND. in this you have made a hermeneutical error. i have the same reaction to the name "JESUS", "ABRAHAM", "MOSES", "MOHAMMED", and that whole lot of scoundrels. the symbolism surrounding those names irks me greatly, but it isn't the *sound* of the names themselves. anyway, i am the big fool here, for having tried to avert another tedious, longwinded post from Daf, which probably would've come anyway, but in this instance i guess i should've let barking dawgs barque. word that sounds uncool to me but others seem to like: "bling-bling" and i apologize to all for having been careless with matches in our ever-dry forest of blu-ity. i'll unwittingly do it again in june, i'm sure. 080530 ... dafremen Heheh. I wonder what I missed by not reading this. (Ok, so not really. Mostly just the blah blah blah. The cacophony of a billion voices talking but not listening. Preaching but not playing. Considering themselves sophisticated and worthy...but consistently proving otherwise. Can't wait for the wave. Hope it's big. See you next time around.) 080530 ... z dot: you are correct about my hermeneutical error, it was significance that drove the remark. and yes, maybe the choice of that entry was driven a bit more by reactivity than i would normally allow myself. thank you for the compliments. i appreciate them, especially knowing that they come from you. perhaps i should submit a new entry to this list: zeke 080531 ... dafremen Much as I hate to admit it...zeke is actually a pretty cool word. : ) 080531 ... roflmao do i hear ass bein kissed? 080531 ... dafremen you wish..and read me like a dyslexic myopic with a book pressed to the back of her head. you have to NEED the approval or cooperation of others to want to kiss ass. I was born under the sign of the monkey, and basically raised myself alone. i have no need for your approval..or anyone else's. My OWN approvals are good enough for me, thank you very much. However, I'm also a Libran..and fair is fair. Zeke is a cool word. You got a problem with that anonymous slinking turd without the balls to put your name to your words? Speaking of cool words..so is murmur...but that's not the subject of this blathe. 'chancre', however is RIGHT in line with this blathe. EWww..not cool. 080601 ... Humored "Methinks thou dost protest too much." From a psychoanalytical standpoint, you probably have the biggest need for acceptance of anyone here, but it has gone unmet for so long that now you mask it beneath a squawking veneer of not needing it at all. There are dozens of pages here where you piss off others, then proclaim you were just playing, then proclaim their ire to be unwarranted or part of your ploy, then proclaim you do not need the approval of others. Your actions, however, speak louder than your words, and from what I can tell, no one around here believes you. 080601 ... Humored This disbelief then causes you to react with desperation, usually coming in the form of insults directed at others. For someone who does not need the approval of others, you engage in more aggressive persuasion than anyone else here, by far. Now, why would that be? The only answer can be: you long for praise and reassurance. Try a different route, and you just might find those things. 080601 ... daf i think you're pretty. what do you think of that? 080601 ... daf ok..it took me awhile to get up my nerve to do this...but what the heck.. will you tell me who you are so we can be friends? i dont have any friends at blather. mostly everyone hates me. My girlfriend barely spends any time with me..and my band mates..well shit man..it's JUST NOT ENOUGH!!! I need YOU! YOU and only YOU! I've never met ANYONE who read me so thoroughly. (Do you snore? Which side of the bed do you like to sleep on?) Oh and just so you know. I've never met you. This is like..totally romantic. Please? Cmon..it's not a big penis...but it's willing to learn. 080601 ... Temporary Enemy of Daf It fascinates me to see that someone else has adopted my style of observing Daf. I am "humored", shall I say. From Daf, I will need to see more than one blathe before I react to such statements as the latter. 080601 what's it to you? who go blather from