the_wisdom_of_all_modes Thus have I read / heard. We_are_the_Universe... 041013 ... :) 'Both mice and men shared a common ancestor, a creature about the size of a small rat, that lived during the time of the dinosaurs between 75 and 125 million years ago.' Amen. 041013 ... p2 define 'all_modes' there are quite a few religious folk who would argue with your 'wisdom' (i.e., creationism) 041013 ... Eliza kx21 Who are we? Grains of sand, motes of dust, droplets of water,... 010713 ... kx21 The flickers of fire, The breezes of wind, The sounds of music, etc. 010713 041013 ... p2 run for the hills but the hills are alive so where to run to? 041013 ... Oops... Why_did_the_chicken_cross_the_road? 041013 ... p2 to_get_away_from_the_blasted_ilinks 041013 ... p2 it_was_stapled_to_the_superstringtheory 041013 ... p2 it_thought_it_was_a_mote_of_dust 041013 ... p2 there_is_no_spoon_road 041013 ... p2 the_road_crossing_promoter_was_sick 041013 ... :) Buddha: If you ask this question, you deny your own chicken-nature. Amen. 041013 ... a "point" Dollars_and_Cents 041013 ... p2 if you quote buddha you deny your own buddha-nature 041013 ... Eliza kx21 If you only think in terms of dollars and cents, you limit your possibilities. ______________ Dianne Hensely 041013 ... p2 every decision you make limits your possibilities what's_your_'point'? 041013 ... :) * The_NO_evil_rule * Make NO evil... Amen. 041013 ... Thus have I read / heard. * a_point_in_time * Never_slighting_Bodhisattva:- ‘I dare not slight you, for you shall all become Buddhas.' 041013 ... p2 it is against the buddha-nature to begrudge a slight slighting 041013 ... kx22 possibilities, an infinite set? does one limit open a million possibilities? does one non-limit open a million limits? does buddha care? 041013 ... p2 it is possible to have a limited infinite set of possibilities though the number of possibilities are infinite there do exist such things as impossibilities this set is the limit of the infinite possibilities and buddha is beyond all worldly concern but that does not mean he doesn't care 041013 ... kx22 if a decision enters a limited set, with less limits than the prior one, through an apple or an orange, can possibilities really be said to have been limited? = every decision expands your possibilities. corrolary: any set other than the universe? only impossibilities limit, not decisions. 041013 ... kx22 buddha cares? 041013 ... kx22 if decision tree branch to apples has 10 supreme branches but branch to oranges has 1 unified branch 10 choices is the most decisions left from the original 11 unity, 10 supreme branches. is the universe a decision tree to the buddha? specifically - does buddha care? 041013 ... p2 you're close but you're no kx21 i can still understand you consider point in time x starting at time x on any given fork in the road the possibilities are completely open to you you could turn left (x-1) and go home just in time to get that call from that cute boy/girl from school that you've had such a crush on at which point (now point y) you have another decision to make where you either tell him/her how you feel (y-1) and allow them the chance to tell you that they've felt the same but was too shy to say anything or you bottle up your feelings (y-2) and give him/her the homework s/he asked for never revealing your true feelings or you could turn right (x-2) and go to the mall and see that weird guy/girl from school sitting all alone in the food court at which point (now point z) you can decide to talk to him/her (z-1) and develop the closest friendship of your life with the most interesting person you'll ever meet or you can walk buy this person (z-2) and never find out that s/he secretly likes britney spears just like you do this is an over-simplified example but the point is that at point x y-1, y-2, z-1, & z-2 were open to you choosing a path didn't open anything up it simply closed others now it's true reaching those points is still possible somewhere down the line but that was always the case so those possibilities still existed at point x as for buddha i never said he did or didn't care i simply said that it's possible that he does 041013 ... kx22 do decisions exist? add time to the decision tree. add parallel universes. if points are still available at point x, have limits been set? is decision tree multi-directional? if all possibilities exist at x, must too all impossibilities. if so, can any decision limit, when the decision does not create the limits but acts within them. some branches mutually exclusive? or do branches exist at all. if the universe is a decision, we then are limited by it, the decision is not ours. in truth even buddha is born limited, but learned to not limit self. your example...block of marble, highschool yearbook, start with more end less. but do decisions get pruned away from onset, depends on nature of space and time. probability of order decreasing in universe is great. gemini universe. possibilities increase, regardless of our decisions. even when others decisions also shrink. buddha answers. 041013 ... p2 considering all this talk of trees this blathe should be called the_wisdom_of_all_nodes i am not one for pre-destination so i must emphatically answer yes decisions do exist they must in fact exist for this discussion to be relevant time is the great pruner of the possibilities tree once your time runs out there are no more possibilities unless you believe in life after death but that should be a separate discussion parallel universes is a sketchy subject at best and if possible i'd leave it out of our discussion since we live in a linear fashion i knew i shouldn't have said "open to all possibilities" i meant open to all possibilities outside of those in the set of impossibilities imagine point x as a point in a plane and all possibilities are represented as points where the y-axis value is greater than that at point x and all possibilities are represented as points with the y coordinate less than at point x (if you wish those equal to at point x are the parallel universes) every decision made i.e., every step that increases the y coordinate value, decreases the total possible values above your current point in the plane despite the fact that it is still infinite 041013 ... p2 dammit and all *impossibilities* are represented as points with the y coordinate less than at point x 041013 ... kx22 the buddha says, you are the one asking the questions. 041013 ... kx22 apples and oranges to possibility? entropy increases possibility more than our decision limits it? answer and i will tell you how wonder you are. 041013 ... p2 i have not yet accepted as fact that entropy increases possibilities no matter what entropy seems to open up those possibilities already existed though perhaps obscured 041013 ... a "point" face_and_border 041013 ... kx22 at moment in time x when decision is made, entropy has yet to increase certain possibilities. do they exist? if so, all possibilities exist from beginning of universe? only decrease? all possibilities there = materialism? did the buddha decide on enlightenment? did enlightenment just happen? answer and i will tell you how wonder you are. 041013 ... kx22 if you decide to know location, can you also know momentum? do the two objectively exist? specifically, which did the buddha know? 041013 ... Thus have I read / heard. What constituted "Tathagata_Store"? Finger_and_Moon across_the_Universe... 041013 ... yes A sadist at heart devoted to his craft. 041013 ... and futher a functional deviant for all blatherskites to malign. 041013 ... not to mention A pile of cards in a game of snap for us all to slap. 041013 ... and likely Maggie_Gyllenhaal's flank to spank. (another indirect James_Spader reference) 041013 ... One What's_Reality? Time_and_Causality_of_Karma:- 's Invididual_karma / collective_karma... 041013 ... but not least The blather mascot resplendent in furry costume. Our own personal scapegoat. The Condoleeza_Rice of newdream.net. 041013 ... . To_be_precise:- One's Individual_karma & Collective_karma "wired and wireless" around_and_across the_memory_of_the_universe... 041013 ... "ha ha ha" Kx21: your own personal voodoo doll. Stick the pins in!!!!!! STICK THEM IN! 041013 ... !!!!!!!!! You presume to follow your own train of thought. You do you think you are? 041013 ... fact The sum of our collective cruelty is only proportional to your calculated lack of response/contribution. STICK THE PINS IN!!!! 041013 ... again i say STICK THE PINS IN! 041013 ... reply No sympathy. just stagnation. silence. Go and play your yahoo chess then. 041013 ... :) * The_No_Evil_Rule * STICK, COLLECT, REPLY & PLAY "No Evil" Amen. 041013 ... I have considered your reply and... STICK THEM IN!!! 041014 ... !!!!!!! I will out-kx21 you kx21. 041014 ... curse you! May your right hand be condemned to an eternity of minesweeper. 041014 ... :) OM_ah_hum_vajra_guru_padma_siddhi_Hum Amen. 041014 ... One OM... 041014 ... no I'm sorry. That is an insufficiently interesting response. Please try again. 041014 ... a "point" The_great_compassion_mantra 041014 ... Lyrics The Great Compassion Mantra:- Na Mwo He La Da Nwo Dwo La Ye Ye Na Mwo E Li Ye Pwo Lu Jye Di Shau Bwo La Ye Pu Ti Sa Two Pe Ye Mwo He Sa Two Pe Ye Mwo He Jya Lu Ni Jya Ye Nan Sa Pan La Fa Ye Swo Da Nwo Da Sye Na Mwo Syi Ji Li Two Yi Meng E Li Ye Pe Lu Ji Di Shr Fwo La Leng Two Pe Na Mwo Nwo La Jin Chr Syi Li Mwo He Pan Dwo Sa Mye Sa Pe E Two Dou Shu Peng E Shr Yun Sa Pe Sa Dwo Na Mwo Pe Sa Dwo Na Mwo Pe Chye Mwo Fa Te Dou Da Jr Two Nan E Pe Lu Syi Lu Jya Di Jya La Di Yi Syi Li Mwo He Pu Ti Sa Two Sa Pe Sa Pe Mwo La Mwo La Mwo Syi Mwo Syi Li Two Yun Jyu Lu Jyu Lu Jye Meng Du Lu Du Lu Fa She Ye Di Mwo He Fa She Ye Di Two La Two La Di Li Ni Shr Fwo La Ye Je La Je La Mwo Mwo Fa Mwo La Mu Di Li Yi Syi Yi Syi Shr Nwo Shr Nwo E La Shen Fwo La She Li Fa Sha Fa Shen Fwo La She Ye Hu Lu Hu Lu Mwo La Hu Lu Hu Lu Syi Li Swo La Swo La Syi Li Syi Li Su Lu Su Lu Pu Ti Ye Pu Ti Ye Pu Two Ye Pu Two Ye Mi Di Li Ye Nwo La Jin Chr Di Li Shai Ni Nwo Pe Ye Mwo Nwo Swo Pe He Syi Two Ye Swo Pe He Mwo He Syi Two Ye Swo Pe He Syi Two Yu Yi Shr Pan La Ye Swo Pe He Nwo La Jin Chr Swo Pe He Mwo La Nwo La Swo Pe He Syi Lu Seng E Mu Chywe Ye Swo Pe He Swo Pe Mwo He E Syi Two Ye Swo Pe He Je Ji La E Syi Two Ye Swo Pe He Bwo Two Mwo Jye Syi Two Ye Swo Pe He Nwo La Jin Chr Pan Chye La Ye Swo Pe He Mwo Pe Li Sheng Jye La He Swo Pe He Na Mwo He La Da Nwo Dwo La Ye Ye Na Mwo E Li Ye Pwo Lu Jye Di Shau Pan La Ye Swo Pe He Nan Syi Dyan Du Man Dwo La Ba Two Ye Swo Pe He 041014 ... Lila Pause For all the technology and communication faculty's most lavish praise, I realise that our favourite leisure activity of modern-day wonder, even with its fostering of voracious appetities for even more varities of blonde pussy, is nothing more than a sad blackhole of sophisticated neutrality, without feeling, without pathos, without much at all really. Somewhere in the night a half-hearted pseudo passion-fuelled battle burns out on a little-known internet message board hosted by The Promise Keepers. Constantly updated, constantly surpassed- the hypertextmarkup will not shut up. Furious yet bored soldiers make sacrifices to their various gods of discontent, developing RSI for this cause; blowing out the health care budget, and claiming it on worker's comp, while minimizing their yahoo! chess windows- less the boss catch a glimpse. (Chess...what cache!, what smarts!) I had a yahoo ID once. It was "I don't read the classics". It was my own individual way of saying "fuck you". - I thought it was cure in an anti-intellectual sort of fashion. But now I think I see this fuzz for what it really is. I'm filling out my application to join James_Spader and his leauge of flesh-eating sensualists. The lovable-geek dreamers are not so dreamy in the harsh light of actual sunshine. It hits you that maybe the nauseating common-sense of the self-help genre isn't so nauseating afterall. Life is short...?. Life is short!! Maybe it's not short enough. -But it's short. After a while our fantasies of youth, our dream world, our dream girls, they all begin to turn into the peversions of a dirty old man. No more of this retreatism! We hate the world. WE HATE IT. - This is true. But tonight I realise that I would rather die than live another day on this life support...developing my rsi just a little more each hour, renewing my vows daily to this cable wasteland like a junkie who now drops through the convienience of a permenantly-installed IV. In this world what were once pleasant dreams don't become nightmares- more so, the pixels just fade away until all that is left is a pristine blackness more hellish than the velvet interior of the coffin itself. 041014 ... Lila Pause {enjoy your time online tonight) 041014 ... p2 entropy's effect is dependent on perspective if x = possibilities and y = decisions/time and z = entropy we can still eliminate the need for z by using x's infinite resources to pair with z so if m is the limit of z f(n) = x(n % m) + zn examples: f(0) = x0 + z0 f(1) = x0 + z1 etc... since all z has been represented by x all entropy has been represented by possibilities the possible flaw is that m does not exist but then neither does x's limit this presents a paradox: can one infinite number contain another infinite number? i think we already have proven that it can if set a is represented by " 4" and set b " 6" the infinite a can encompass the infinite b one might say that entropy and possibilities are not on the same scale as 4 and 6 are however i propose we reconsider entropy after all what is entropy but paths through a set of possibilities? do they not then belong on the same scale? thus i conclude entropy does not add to possibilities at a later point of y 041014 ... p2 dammit f(n) = x(n / m) + z(n % m) where (n / m) is rounded down to the nearest integer 041014 ... p2 dammit dammit set a is "> 4" set b is "> 6" 041014 ... kx22 agreed, entropy always increases, so possibilities always increase back to first step? however, if possibilities always existed before entropy had occured there was no way possibilities could not have happened, entropy was set, are possibilities still possibilities? hence materialism and so there is predetermination did the buddha conclude? 041014 ... kx21 *** * Body, Heart_and_Mind *** The "Mind" of Mathematics in the "Heart" of Physics across_the_Universe:- Fermionic_dance"s Face_and_border of bosonic_symphony wired and wireless around_and_across the "Body" and veil_of_Cosmos :- "Ten_Dimesions" Copyright 2004 kx21.com 041014 ... kx21 To_be_precise:- "Ten_Dimensions" 041014 ... mp21k (: knili 041014 ... . ... * ALL Staircase & Waterfall are non_Commutative * ... Copyright 2001-2003 All Rights Reserved kx21.com. 041014 ... kx22 the universe constantly expands possibilities do not? 041014 ... kx22 the buddha remains still. 041014 ... kx21 *** * Movement_and_Stillness *** What determined the level / state of Movement / "Stillness"? It's determined by the Time_and_Causality_of_Karma... Or to_be_precise:- Action_and_Reaction of Staircase_and_Waterfall in the p_a_s_t__'p_r_e_s_e_n_t'_and_f_u_t_u_r_e;foreground, background and "playground" of the Cosmos (e.g. Human_Spaces)... 041014 ... p2 disagreed entropy is the tendency towards disorder that disorder is already an existing possibility therefore entropy is a path among possibilities and does not increase the number of said possibilities why do you keep bringing up materialism? i fail to see the connection it seems like a desparate reach in an attempt to become kx21-like 041015 ... p2 re: predetermination it is possible to take a hydrogen atom that you have exhaled to power a hydrogen bomb but does that mean it has already occurred? as your idol would say absolutely_NOT 041015 ... kx22 unless predetermination, could the possibilities which entropy later makes available really have been available at the time of the decision? being as entropy is not a chosen path, but an expansion of paths to choose no matter your prior decisions absolutely not. did the buddha watch the world shrink or expand. 041015 ... kx22 did the specific disorder, exist as a possibility to choose? did the buddha say there is enlightenment, or did the buddha say, there is only breath? 041015 ... kx22 what actually happens defines the only real possibilities when talking of entropy. what can be imagined is not what could happen. answer and i will tell you how wonder you are. 041015 ... kx22 the wisdom of three plums, or two and a half nectarines. the buddha knows. 041015 ... p2 if there is predetermination then there are no real possibilities only the single path that has already been chosen 041015 ... p2 what could be imagined is a superset of what could happen what could happen is a superset of what does happen 041015 ... One *** * Name & Merit *** ...the beings, regardless if they are men or women now and in the future, as long as they can recite a Buddha"s name, they will have endless merit... 041015 ... p2 yeah right and confession absolves us of sin 041015 ... i) *** * OM & Prayer *** "A Thousand Tributes to Divine Mother" Divine Mother! your law of karma is founded on love and it is not a judgemental tool. It ensures the welfare of all beings. To you om_namo_namah. 041015 ... ii) * OM MA NE PADME HUM * Mantra of Compassion The Mantra of Avalokiteshvara (The Bodhisattva of Compassion; in China Guan_yin or kwan_yin - Divine_Mother Buddhist Goddess of Compassion, in Japan Kannon) OM_ma_ne_padme_Hum... 041016 ... iii) Eliza * the_secret_truth * uow "You can gain instant enlightenment and profound wisdom simply by repeating this mantra: OM ah hum vajra guru padma siddhi Hum." OM_ah_hum_vajra_guru_padma_siddhi_Hum 041016 ... Lila Pause The spiritual equivalent of weight loss powder...? Shhhhhhhhh! let us remain grotesque and destory ourselves in peace. 041016 ... kx22 it is not possible to exist where space has not yet expanded to. agreed? time and space expanding creates this possibility, what had been impossibility is no longer. does the rate of expansion create possibilities more rapidly than our decisions limit them? answer and you will tell the buddha how wonder you are 041017 ... blown cherry kx I'm not sure you've clearly defined your use of the concept of the expansion of space time. It doesn't mean that we can exist in a place tomorrow that we couldn't exist in yesterday - there are no new locations being created in the universe or added to it, it's just that everything is getting further and further apart. It's not as though the universe is expanding into 'empty' space or something. Sorry if I've misunderstood you. 041018 ... i have an idea STICK THE PINS IN! 041018 ... p2 the possibility of expansion allows for the possibility to exist in those expansions therefore those possibilities have always existed though obscured by the fact that the expansion may or may not happen 041018 ... kx21 *** * M_Physics_21: Cosmic Commutator *** Let a and b are any two "observables" of the Universe and [a, b] is the cosmic commutator of a & b. Then [a, b] = k, where k is a deformation parameter wired // wireless across_the_Universe... Copyright 2004 kx21.com 041018 ... > OOps... It should be read as:- Then [a, b] k... 041018 ... > To_be_precise:- Then [a, b] =k... 041018 ... kx21 i.e. Any cosmic commutator is "greater" or "equal" to k, where k is a deformation_parameter wired // wireless cross_the_Universe... Copyright 2004 kx21.com 041018 ... p2 deformation_parameter? cosmic commutator? that's just proof that you like to make things as esoteric as possible just say entropy and possibilities we've been using those terms why not try communicating using previously established terms to make things easier for everyone so anyway i agree [a, b] >= k because k is a single path in the realm of possibilities while [a, b] is the branch of paths that follow from k but the question is did [a, b] exist before encountering k and i say the possibility for [a, b] exists simply because the possibility for k exists therefore regardless of whether or not k is reached the possibility for [a, b] existed 041018 ... p2 change "branch of paths" to "subtree of paths" 041018 ... kx21 *** * Man_'talk', Woman_nag & WMD *** For instance, Let "WMD (Weapon_of_Mass_Deception)" is the commutator of two observables in Human_spaces:- Man_'Talk' and Woman_'Nag'... Then "WMD" is "greater or equal" to k, where k is a deformation_parameter wired / wireless across_the_Universe of three__'b_i_g__b_e_a_s_t_s'__in__human_spaces... A "M" Test:- What determined k, given a_wrong_war_in_21k? Copyright 2004 kx21.com 041018 ... . M_Hint: The_images_of_Americans and Security_and_Stability in Iraq 041018 ... p2 i reject your example on the basis that you have used undefined symbols to define key values in your equation please insert another quarter and try again 041018 ... kx21 Reject No Evil? Absolutely_NOT... 041018 ... p2 i reject your rejection of my rejection why does my rejection of your incomplete equation mean that i reject no evil does my rejection of bush mean that i reject homeland security? absolutely_NOT 041018 ... kx21 iLink: Flat_Universe 041018 ... kx21 *** * Topological_defect *** What is the origin of Topological_defect in the Universe, specifically Sin / Evil in Human_spaces? Time_and_Causality_of_karma... 041018 ... . __since__the__time__without__beginning... 041018 ... a "point" The_Buddha's_majestic_power 041219 ... * The_Heart_Sutra * 050424 ... 心 经 http://www.towise.net/english/sultra/xinjin/xinjing.htm When Bodhisattva Avalokiteshvara was practicing the profound Prajna Paramita, he illuminated the Five Skandhas and saw that they are all empty, and he crossed all suffering and difficulty. 观自在菩萨，行深般若波罗蜜多时，照见五蕴皆空，度一切苦厄。 050424 ... How can an_extraordinary_and_complicated_coincidence ... 050427 ... ..................... the_six_knots be untied? 050802 ... kx29 as played by palanka zhe bu shi wo de che 050802 ... daf Decisions exist, but only as a matter of cause and effect. Decisions made today are the result of all factors that led up to that monment in time. Still, there aren't infinite ways to go, there is one. "But how can this be so? I could've chosen left or right. I could've chosen hot or cold. I could've chosen good or bad." Well you say so, but we are here, and the decision made was the one made...there's no two ways about that. Much of the mistaken notion that there are infinite parallel time lines, etc, comes from our flawed perception of time as being divided into past, present and future. This divison is created by the human mind as a result of its method of operation, and its manner of functioning. What we call "the past" is simply selectively recorded slices of perceived moments that have been stored off in our memory. They don't exist except as neural patterns in our brains. "The present" is really the only time there is, at least to our limited perceptions. We experience these moments (all continuous and undivided, 4th dimensional if you will)as individual time slices. This is because our brains are 3d in nature, not 4d. Like a movie camera, we can only record individual 3d snapshots of a 4d existence. "The future" is, like "the past", a fabrication of the human mind. All time exists as one, but we are unable to concieve of such a thing. Since we believe in the reality of our recorded moments (past) and experience existence moment by moment(present), it only stands to reason (to a 3d entity), that there must be another present moment on its way, and so we call this "the future." In reality, there is time undivided...and it exists...all of it as one..outside of the limitations of the human mind. Whatever decision you made was the one that was laid down to be made. Time exists in its entirety, not as individual portions; divvied up to satisfy the limitations of our brains. And although we may make decsions, we will make only one choice, and that is the choice that has always been there to be made. It only remained for us to "pass through that moment" and make it. We entertain the notion of many choices, because the notion of "being controlled" or "compelled" is repugnant to most of us. (Although that rarely stops us from telling the guy with the raised fist and the strong words to sit down, now does it? Baaaa) So yes, there is freewill, but it is exercised within the confines of fate, and there is really no getting around it. Time and the events it encapsulates exist as they always have, regardless of how we perceive them, or wish them to be. 070129 ... They call me truth So fate preordains my decision? Fate decided what choices I can choose from and there is no infinite amount? Well I guess you can say everything is in context and I guess you can say that the only time is now. But what if you were wrong? What if the ONLY time wasn't now? What if "time" is a creation within itself and we can manipulate it. What if now is an illusion just like the past and the future are? What if any statement making something definite is only a small portion of its definitiveness and what you really just said is just one possible out of an infinite set? Would choice really be governed by fate or by your faith? Well it is obvious that we are all forming these conclusions based on experience. It is also obvious that these conclusions change. And I must say I find it rather enjoyable to play with the notions that others have offered and question my own mind. The truth is not in answers but in questions. 070129 ... e_o_i ineluctable modality 070129 ... e_o_i But seriously, if there is no past and future and time exists in one dimension, how does that mean all our actions are predetermined? That would be like saying an object must always be in one space without the option of moving anywhere... wouldn't it? 070129 ... They call me truth I like when people ask questions. 070129 ... epitome of incomprehensibility all modes? Ionian Dorian Phrygian Lydian Mixolydian Aeolian Locrian evil music theory joke... ineluctable modality of the audible 070517 ... If one *really* wants to be fussy... What about hypodorian, etc? 070518 ... e_o_i Oh, I enjoy being fussy. But I am afraid I only know so much. 070606 ... unhinged plagal modes usually starting on the fifth note of the mode instead of the first one except for phrygian which was the fourth below and mixolydian which was the fourth above if i remember right. narrow range antiquated gregorian chant 070606 what's it to you? who go blather from