the_wisdom_of_all_modes Thus have I read / heard. We_are_the_Universe... 041013 ... :) 'Both mice and men shared a common ancestor, a creature about the size of a small rat, that lived during the time of the dinosaurs between 75 and 125 million years ago.' Amen. 041013 ... p2 define 'all_modes' there are quite a few religious folk who would argue with your 'wisdom' (i.e., creationism) 041013 ... Eliza kx21 Who are we? Grains of sand, motes of dust, droplets of water,... 010713 ... kx21 The flickers of fire, The breezes of wind, The sounds of music, etc. 010713 041013 ... p2 run for the hills but the hills are alive so where to run to? 041013 ... Oops... Why_did_the_chicken_cross_the_road? 041013 ... p2 to_get_away_from_the_blasted_ilinks 041013 ... p2 it_was_stapled_to_the_superstringtheory 041013 ... p2 it_thought_it_was_a_mote_of_dust 041013 ... p2 there_is_no_spoon_road 041013 ... p2 the_road_crossing_promoter_was_sick 041013 ... :) Buddha: If you ask this question, you deny your own chicken-nature. Amen. 041013 ... a "point" Dollars_and_Cents 041013 ... p2 if you quote buddha you deny your own buddha-nature 041013 ... Eliza kx21 If you only think in terms of dollars and cents, you limit your possibilities. ______________ Dianne Hensely 041013 ... p2 every decision you make limits your possibilities what's_your_'point'? 041013 ... :) * The_NO_evil_rule * Make NO evil... Amen. 041013 ... Thus have I read / heard. * a_point_in_time * Never_slighting_Bodhisattva:- ‘I dare not slight you, for you shall all become Buddhas.' 041013 ... p2 it is against the buddha-nature to begrudge a slight slighting 041013 ... kx22 possibilities, an infinite set? does one limit open a million possibilities? does one non-limit open a million limits? does buddha care? 041013 ... p2 it is possible to have a limited infinite set of possibilities though the number of possibilities are infinite there do exist such things as impossibilities this set is the limit of the infinite possibilities and buddha is beyond all worldly concern but that does not mean he doesn't care 041013 ... kx22 if a decision enters a limited set, with less limits than the prior one, through an apple or an orange, can possibilities really be said to have been limited? = every decision expands your possibilities. corrolary: any set other than the universe? only impossibilities limit, not decisions. 041013 ... kx22 buddha cares? 041013 ... kx22 if decision tree branch to apples has 10 supreme branches but branch to oranges has 1 unified branch 10 choices is the most decisions left from the original 11 unity, 10 supreme branches. is the universe a decision tree to the buddha? specifically - does buddha care? 041013 ... p2 you're close but you're no kx21 i can still understand you consider point in time x starting at time x on any given fork in the road the possibilities are completely open to you you could turn left (x-1) and go home just in time to get that call from that cute boy/girl from school that you've had such a crush on at which point (now point y) you have another decision to make where you either tell him/her how you feel (y-1) and allow them the chance to tell you that they've felt the same but was too shy to say anything or you bottle up your feelings (y-2) and give him/her the homework s/he asked for never revealing your true feelings or you could turn right (x-2) and go to the mall and see that weird guy/girl from school sitting all alone in the food court at which point (now point z) you can decide to talk to him/her (z-1) and develop the closest friendship of your life with the most interesting person you'll ever meet or you can walk buy this person (z-2) and never find out that s/he secretly likes britney spears just like you do this is an over-simplified example but the point is that at point x y-1, y-2, z-1, & z-2 were open to you choosing a path didn't open anything up it simply closed others now it's true reaching those points is still possible somewhere down the line but that was always the case so those possibilities still existed at point x as for buddha i never said he did or didn't care i simply said that it's possible that he does 041013 ... kx22 do decisions exist? add time to the decision tree. add parallel universes. if points are still available at point x, have limits been set? is decision tree multi-directional? if all possibilities exist at x, must too all impossibilities. if so, can any decision limit, when the decision does not create the limits but acts within them. some branches mutually exclusive? or do branches exist at all. if the universe is a decision, we then are limited by it, the decision is not ours. in truth even buddha is born limited, but learned to not limit self. your example...block of marble, highschool yearbook, start with more end less. but do decisions get pruned away from onset, depends on nature of space and time. probability of order decreasing in universe is great. gemini universe. possibilities increase, regardless of our decisions. even when others decisions also shrink. buddha answers. 041013 ... p2 considering all this talk of trees this blathe should be called the_wisdom_of_all_nodes i am not one for pre-destination so i must emphatically answer yes decisions do exist they must in fact exist for this discussion to be relevant time is the great pruner of the possibilities tree once your time runs out there are no more possibilities unless you believe in life after death but that should be a separate discussion parallel universes is a sketchy subject at best and if possible i'd leave it out of our discussion since we live in a linear fashion i knew i shouldn't have said "open to all possibilities" i meant open to all possibilities outside of those in the set of impossibilities imagine point x as a point in a plane and all possibilities are represented as points where the y-axis value is greater than that at point x and all possibilities are represented as points with the y coordinate less than at point x (if you wish those equal to at point x are the parallel universes) every decision made i.e., every step that increases the y coordinate value, decreases the total possible values above your current point in the plane despite the fact that it is still infinite 041013 ... p2 dammit and all *impossibilities* are represented as points with the y coordinate less than at point x 041013 ... kx22 the buddha says, you are the one asking the questions. 041013 ... kx22 apples and oranges to possibility? entropy increases possibility more than our decision limits it? answer and i will tell you how wonder you are. 041013 ... p2 i have not yet accepted as fact that entropy increases possibilities no matter what entropy seems to open up those possibilities already existed though perhaps obscured 041013 ... a "point" face_and_border 041013 ... kx22 at moment in time x when decision is made, entropy has yet to increase certain possibilities. do they exist? if so, all possibilities exist from beginning of universe? only decrease? all possibilities there = materialism? did the buddha decide on enlightenment? did enlightenment just happen? answer and i will tell you how wonder you are. 041013 ... kx22 if you decide to know location, can you also know momentum? do the two objectively exist? specifically, which did the buddha know? 041013 ... Thus have I read / heard. What constituted "Tathagata_Store"? Finger_and_Moon across_the_Universe... 041013 ... yes A sadist at heart devoted to his craft. 041013 ... and futher a functional deviant for all blatherskites to malign. 041013 ... not to mention A pile of cards in a game of snap for us all to slap. 041013 ... and likely Maggie_Gyllenhaal's flank to spank. (another indirect James_Spader reference) 041013 ... One What's_Reality? Time_and_Causality_of_Karma:- 's Invididual_karma / collective_karma... 041013 ... but not least The blather mascot resplendent in furry costume. Our own personal scapegoat. The Condoleeza_Rice of newdream.net. 041013 ... . To_be_precise:- One's Individual_karma & Collective_karma "wired and wireless" around_and_across the_memory_of_the_universe... 041013 ... "ha ha ha" Kx21: your own personal voodoo doll. Stick the pins in!!!!!! STICK THEM IN! 041013 ... !!!!!!!!! You presume to follow your own train of thought. You do you think you are? 041013 ... fact The sum of our collective cruelty is only proportional to your calculated lack of response/contribution. STICK THE PINS IN!!!! 041013 ... again i say STICK THE PINS IN! 041013 ... reply No sympathy. just stagnation. silence. Go and play your yahoo chess then. 041013 ... :) * The_No_Evil_Rule * STICK, COLLECT, REPLY & PLAY "No Evil" Amen. 041013 ... I have considered your reply and... STICK THEM IN!!! 041014 ... !!!!!!! I will out-kx21 you kx21. 041014 ... curse you! May your right hand be condemned to an eternity of minesweeper. 041014 ... :) OM_ah_hum_vajra_guru_padma_siddhi_Hum Amen. 041014 ... One OM... 041014 ... no I'm sorry. That is an insufficiently interesting response. Please try again. 041014 ... a "point" The_great_compassion_mantra 041014 ... Lyrics The Great Compassion Mantra:- Na Mwo He La Da Nwo Dwo La Ye Ye Na Mwo E Li Ye Pwo Lu Jye Di Shau Bwo La Ye Pu Ti Sa Two Pe Ye Mwo He Sa Two Pe Ye Mwo He Jya Lu Ni Jya Ye Nan Sa Pan La Fa Ye Swo Da Nwo Da Sye Na Mwo Syi Ji Li Two Yi Meng E Li Ye Pe Lu Ji Di Shr Fwo La Leng Two Pe Na Mwo Nwo La Jin Chr Syi Li Mwo He Pan Dwo Sa Mye Sa Pe E Two Dou Shu Peng E Shr Yun Sa Pe Sa Dwo Na Mwo Pe Sa Dwo Na Mwo Pe Chye Mwo Fa Te Dou Da Jr Two Nan E Pe Lu Syi Lu Jya Di Jya La Di Yi Syi Li Mwo He Pu Ti Sa Two Sa Pe Sa Pe Mwo La Mwo La Mwo Syi Mwo Syi Li Two Yun Jyu Lu Jyu Lu Jye Meng Du Lu Du Lu Fa She Ye Di Mwo He Fa She Ye Di Two La Two La Di Li Ni Shr Fwo La Ye Je La Je La Mwo Mwo Fa Mwo La Mu Di Li Yi Syi Yi Syi Shr Nwo Shr Nwo E La Shen Fwo La She Li Fa Sha Fa Shen Fwo La She Ye Hu Lu Hu Lu Mwo La Hu Lu Hu Lu Syi Li Swo La Swo La Syi Li Syi Li Su Lu Su Lu Pu Ti Ye Pu Ti Ye Pu Two Ye Pu Two Ye Mi Di Li Ye Nwo La Jin Chr Di Li Shai Ni Nwo Pe Ye Mwo Nwo Swo Pe He Syi Two Ye Swo Pe He Mwo He Syi Two Ye Swo Pe He Syi Two Yu Yi Shr Pan La Ye Swo Pe He Nwo La Jin Chr Swo Pe He Mwo La Nwo La Swo Pe He Syi Lu Seng E Mu Chywe Ye Swo Pe He Swo Pe Mwo He E Syi Two Ye Swo Pe He Je Ji La E Syi Two Ye Swo Pe He Bwo Two Mwo Jye Syi Two Ye Swo Pe He Nwo La Jin Chr Pan Chye La Ye Swo Pe He Mwo Pe Li Sheng Jye La He Swo Pe He Na Mwo He La Da Nwo Dwo La Ye Ye Na Mwo E Li Ye Pwo Lu Jye Di Shau Pan La Ye Swo Pe He Nan Syi Dyan Du Man Dwo La Ba Two Ye Swo Pe He 041014 ... Lila Pause For all the technology and communication faculty's most lavish praise, I realise that our favourite leisure activity of modern-day wonder, even with its fostering of voracious appetities for even more varities of blonde pussy, is nothing more than a sad blackhole of sophisticated neutrality, without feeling, without pathos, without much at all really. Somewhere in the night a half-hearted pseudo passion-fuelled battle burns out on a little-known internet message board hosted by The Promise Keepers. Constantly updated, constantly surpassed- the hypertextmarkup will not shut up. Furious yet bored soldiers make sacrifices to their various gods of discontent, developing RSI for this cause; blowing out the health care budget, and claiming it on worker's comp, while minimizing their yahoo! chess windows- less the boss catch a glimpse. (Chess...what cache!, what smarts!) I had a yahoo ID once. It was "I don't read the classics". It was my own individual way of saying "fuck you". - I thought it was cure in an anti-intellectual sort of fashion. But now I think I see this fuzz for what it really is. I'm filling out my application to join James_Spader and his leauge of flesh-eating sensualists. The lovable-geek dreamers are not so dreamy in the harsh light of actual sunshine. It hits you that maybe the nauseating common-sense of the self-help genre isn't so nauseating afterall. Life is short...?. Life is short!! Maybe it's not short enough. -But it's short. After a while our fantasies of youth, our dream world, our dream girls, they all begin to turn into the peversions of a dirty old man. No more of this retreatism! We hate the world. WE HATE IT. - This is true. But tonight I realise that I would rather die than live another day on