vegan ? Call me ignorant, but what is a vegan? 010413 ... johnny west A vegetarian. That's the only definition I'm aware of. 010413 ... Zoe it's a person who doesn't eat meat, cheese, or any dairy product at all. that's no eggs, milk, yogurt, icecream, etc. 010413 ... CheapVodka Close but no entire cigar. I'm a vegan. It is like a vegetarian only we don't believe in the ingesting of any animal products what-so-ever. While vegetarians avoid flesh, vegans also avoid dairy and eggs, as well as fur, wool, leather, and cosmetics or chemical products tested on animals. It's a life style that I do enjoy. Healthy for us as well as the environment and every living thing we share it with. 011104 ... "bunnyboy" dont poison your body. you were only given one. go vegan. 011204 ... Carcharodon carcharias people who go vegan are fine, i've been doing my best not to be vegan but i am reducing the amount of meat i eat (so far i've vastly cut my red meat intake, but i think it would be difficult at best to lay off the poultry and seafood) but for fucksakes i saw vegan dog food the other day and i'm sorry, but as omnivorous as dogs and their ancestor/cousins the wolves might be, THEY AREN'T VEGANS! they are predator/scavengers by nature (hence the occasional garbage can overturned in your kitchen...instinct) forcing an adopted human trait on an animal against its nature is no better than serving another animal up on a plate (if you believe that it is wrong) meat cutting teeth are called CANINEs for a reason, people. 011204 ... "bunnyboy" i don't have a dog, i'm allergic. i have a cat and i feed it meat. just because i'm vegan, doesn't mean my animal friends are. you should try some of that vegan dog food though, i've never seen it, sounds...interesting. 011204 ... shark (carcharias) i'm still trying to cultivate my taste for tofu 011205 ... jestification vegan pets? because if we don't wear leather or eat meat then why would we want pets? (who serve as subordinates)....unless we adopted them.... but that's still supporting a system that exists through explotation & oppressiobn... and why would we feed these pets food containing 'left over' meat products from some grossly violent factory perfecting butchering methods? (perfection = fastest & most profitable) ......*@iF i wAs vegAn@*..... why not go all the way..... 011205 ... carcharodon carcharias (and chips) because the first domestic dogs were scavenger wolves who lost their fear of our primitive ancestors. all dogs are descended from wolves, the breeds we know were selectively bred for each of their optimal traits (though some were apparetly seem to have bred as some sort of cruel joke...chihuahuas, poodles, pomeranians, lhasa apsos and all other "rat dogs") you never hear about soya hounds although bloodhounds are a reality but like i said in the beginning, i can understand why humans might go that route, evolution is slowly relieveing us of the need for such large quantities of meat protein as our acncestors once thrived on and our bodies will mostly support a VOLUNTARY transition now, but the thought of someone for no other reason than ideology trying to alter the eating habits of an animal who is primarily a natural carnivore....laughable. as much ignorance in the face of nature as the people who bulldoze rainforests for mcdonalds beef supplies seriously, vegan dog food? what's next, tofu mice for constrictors? veggie burger antelopes for lions? soy protein seals for orcas and sharks? heheh. 011205 ... carcharodon carcharias (with tartar sauce) also, i was tempted to try the vegan dog food myself, actually, god knows when i was high i ate the real thing on more than one occasion. and if you ever get the chance to try some vegetarian foie gras, i highly recommend it. good stuff. even from a predator's point of view 011205 ... jestification constrictors, lions, sharks, antelopes? yeah, millions of people have them in their yards so there would be a market for.................ahem. my point was that back in the day when dogs were domesticated, the society was not at 1 million miles per, hour post-industrialized, CONSUME! CONSUME! level. so the means of getting meat was, um, natural (for lack of a better word).....the "meat" in dog food today...is some fucked up shit. ol' roy is supporting the same system as mcdonalds.....and some people find the devil in mcdonalds, in order to be consistent, they should see the devil in ol' roy too. maybe "organic" dog food would be a better option rather than "vegan" dog food.... 011209 ... carcharodon getting high in a carbon cave i can dig that. 011210 ... jestification :) - 011210 ... oren There was a sect during the 70s called Vegans. They all drove little Chevrolets around, pointing and laughing at Ford Pintos. 011210 ... rusty wolves (and dogs) are naturally omnivorous. in the wild, they will eat bark, berries, etc. in addition to meat, and generally don't eat meat every single day either like most of america does. also, most dog food you buy at the store is at least 90% grain filler anyways, so this vegan dog food thing doesn't seem so strange. unlike cats (which need the taurine from meat, although we can produce it synthetically now as well), dogs have no inherent nutrient requirements that require them to eat meat 011230 ... cajun blackened filet of carcharodon carcharias true enough, i thought i had acceded the point of dogs being omnivorous already, but my original point was the issue of trying to impose human quirks on our pets omnivorous to be sure, but given a readily available supply of prey and carrion the average canine will indulge for instance; the 3 black labs i grew up with were natural hunters, two of them were quite adept at snatching low flying birds out of the air and the third had an appetite for gophers and field mice even though they were well-fed by us i think they did it as much for the fun as for the taste kinda like me with swimmers in florida 011230 ... cube Vega is a star of the first magnitude that is the brightest in the constellation Lyra. Where else would Vegans come from? As to living by plant life only, that's just PR in order to lull us into a false sense of security. Have you ever heard a Vegan discussing space travel? See, i told ya... ³ 011231 ... "its a cookbook!" "To Serve Man" 020101 ... drunken So, what do you have to complain about this? I feed my dog vegan dog food, but I also give her meat from the food bank that is just going to be discarded. I'm poor enough that i get food from the food bank anyway. There are TONS of gov't surplus animal products that just become discarded. I would not buy meat, but this is just going to go into the trash, so why not give it to her? I will not feed her bought meat, as an ethical choice, but I will also not stop her from killing and eating squirrels outside. 020113 ... bzzmel i'm vegan. 020118 ... carcharodon carcharias so you're not exclusively limiting your dog to veganism. that's my point. bzzmel. that's cool. i'm waiting for summer so i can eat more tourists, personally 020118 ... dundun no, i am not totally making the dog vegan. i think it is self defeating to call oneself vegan and then completely limit the free will of another creature. but, i also don't think vegan dog food is absurd, whoever said that on here. i am glad it exists, since i won't buy my dog anything else. and, i think people made very good points about most dog food being 90% grain anyhow. my dog loves veggies and carbohydrates and gets as excited about them as meat. she has also never refused her vegan dog food, but i have seen her spit out chicken. 020123 ... ----- oh yeah , i got her some vegan dog treats the other day, but i ate them all. they tasted like i remember combos tasting. real fucking good. "primarily a carnivore", thats an omnivore. of course it is inherently oppressive to have animals as "pets". however, giving the animals i have adopted as much happiness as posssible, which to me means NOT oppressing any other for fucking food, is the best i can do right now. untill we are all dead. 020123 ... j_blue not having read most of this i would say i am vegan because to be the most harmless as possible is a good thing if you can live without killing, or exploiting, than why not? we dont allow our dogs to kill, or most of us dont at least; and if they can live without harming, than why not? when i keep pets, its to save them from the lives of subordination and trauma and sheer lack of respect they might otherwise recieve it is wrong to subordinate/mistreat/disrespect an individual of lesser intelligence while it is impossible to live up to most idealism, its good to keep trying, and to be practical about it 020123 ... carcharodon carcharias in vegas baby like i said, if it works for you, then hey, by all means do it. i ate the licencse plate that fell off a garbage scow, i've eaten tires and bolts and chewed a couple of sunken canoes i'm as omnivorous as the next guy but when the scent of blood hits the water, baby, it's mack_the_knife time 020124 ... "Ancient Pagan" Hey, Carcharodon Carcharias With Tartar Sauce In Vegas With Creme Brulet & A Sweet Cherry Ontop, hey you man! I am a vegan! I suffered chronic constipation & frequent illness as a child, then I switched to mainstream, junkie Vegetarianism. Constipation left and illness radically subsided. A few years back I switched to vegan and illness and overweight left! I was clinically obese and lost fifty pounds in eight months! My vegan diet is 90% raw foods baby! Its called 'Raw Veganism' (see http://www.davidwolfe.com/ to cognize). My thyroid was almost dead ("Hashimoto's Disease") and is now recovering--to my doctor's surprise! Any Vegan, Vegetarian or fleshly diet is unhealthy if not planned rationally! But dogs being Vegan? David Wolfe's friend's dog is 90% vegan most of the time and is perfectly healthy...but it does need some raw meat on occaison. Cats being Vegan? Nevermind! You, my friend, know that fish ain't veggies but to ya'll out there: Fish Do Not Grow On Trees! Hey, Carcharodon Carcharias with Creme Brulet, Mushroom Gravy & Bag O' Chips: take care of yourself! Bon Appetit! 020514 ... sporkwielder there's nothing evil about meat, it's just muscle, bunched cells drained of higher purposes. Being in this universe means we need energy, from outside us. That's the way it be. Vegetables are fine and good, but they send out electrical impulses too. maybe they feel pain. who knows. all i know is, without fish and turkey, i'd get the shakes and i'd have nothing sporkworthy 020514 ... carcharodon carcharias thanks O pagan one, if i spot you in the sea, i'll give you a pass. otherwise i'm hoping that swimmer season in florida turns out as tastily as it did last year, damn that was good_times 020515 ... phil If a cow dies, and noone is around to eat it, does it make a steak? 020515 ... sporkwielder man...i'd think it a painful honor to be eaten by a shark....unfortunately of all the people in the states this year only one is likely to be eaten by a shark in their life. And if i had to go, i'd go prehistoric...just to see a carcharadon megladon would excite me tremendously and i'd have a sublime albeit still painful death. 020516 ... knot meat does that mean you'll wanna eat me? 020516 ... carcharodon carcharias hey, you never know. gotta find my lunch somewhere 020516 ... "bunnyboy" i'd eat people if i could 030130 ... Carcharodon Carcharias yee-hah, bring on the fava beans and the nice chianti 030131 ... "bunnyboy" *slurping noises* can i start by eating you? 030201 ... me we shouldn't have pets, if they're supposed to scavenge then let them scavenge and not support the animal-producing meat industry. 031231 ... mon i think canned soy mice would be a hit with my cats 031231 ... fridayinluv I'm a vegan. And yes, vegans taste better. 040104 ... shinequwa My sister, susie, is vegan 040116 ... babaganooj eat the honey, drink the milk fish and chicken, eggs and silk 040128 ... vegan since 95 check out this article... oldest living dog 27 years old... VEGAN.... I certainly wouldn't want to eat "chicken and beef by-products(cancerous tissue, rotten meat in styrofoam that didn't sell at the market, and other body parts that aren't edible... bad news... 040221 ... white_wave i've tried going vegan. there are many delicious vegan foods to eat. except for I can't stand the vegan cheese. just couldn't handle it anymore. don't hate me because I now eat the lining of a cow's stomach on a pizza. 040221 ... farky the third if a vegan "swallows" does that make her a "humanitarian"? 050502 ... Lemon_Soda Not for me, thanks. I enjoy dead animals. I order my steaks rare. Is it wrong? Silly question. We're omnivorous for a reason. Either, or, or both. Personnal choice. 050502 ... anomalous : veganism : 050502 ... andru235 it isn't really my business whether you eat meat or not, but... our primate cousins almost never eat meat. when have you ever heard of a bonobo or an orangutan stalking down a giraffe? doesn't happen. if a gorilla comes across a decaying corpse, it...keeps walking. it think it is gorillas (?) that use sticks to pull locusts from the locust mounds and they eat them. can people eat meat? sure. can people eat locusts? sure. the latter has more of an evolutionary precedent, though. do i like eating meat? yes, i love it. do i eat meat? nope. if it was 10,000 years ago, and the meat i ate was a deer i (we) hunted, that's one thing. eating a cow penned in a 10x10 stable, fed cow feed mixed with its feces and cement, injected with hormones, etc. = yuck. you are what you eat! so don't eat that meat! personally, if a lion killed me and ate me, that's fine. i can think of worse ways to go. but if a lion trapped me into a 10x10 room, fed me foodstuffs mixed with my feces and cement, injected me with hormones, etc. = then i no longer support the lion's eating me. but lions don't do that. some of the hardest temptations to resist are culinary temptations. but it is worth it if you love the species you plan to eat! (and yes, you can love the species you plan to eat: i think carrots are awesome and i eat them. and if the argument is that animals are sentient, i ask, can you prove that plants are not? brains aren't everything) 050502 ... Piso Mojado a couple months into it now taking my vitamins eating too many carbs not feeling any different 050516 ... hsg the_food_revolution by john robbins is a great book for real info. not disinformation or misinformation, but real knowledge. please become vegan. it's important. and read that book. I bought it, read it, and gave it to someone who then read it. so far I got 5 people to read it. meat no longer exists in some households. in many households. there IS hope. people DO care. and we ARE waking up. a great Shift_In_Perception is occurring and it is a miracle. see a_course_in_miracles. eat from the lowest levels of consciousness and raise your own. 061020 ... Pto Why do people like to razz vegans? I've been giving this a lot of thought, and at last I've figured it out. It is because they are hopelessly in love with vegans. They simply want to be around the vegan all the time, they want to please the vegan, they want to give the vegan all of their money... but they are too scared. Consequently, they become belligerent and hostile. But there is no need for such carnal animosity. They should simply adore the vegan, and compliment the vegan's natural scents. 061021 ... Yikes. "Don't ask what a vegan can do for you! Instead, ask what vegans taste like." 061021 ... IO1011 Someone stronger than a snail but weaker than a toad. 061027 ... hsg i feel a lot better without animal products in/on my body. it's healthier, despite all the disinformation. my bones are very strong because they dont have to offset the acidity of milk/meat.... the list goes on & on. it's cheaper, smarter, nicer and cleaner. it's like not driving an SUV & even more important so far as the carbon_footprint. 070211 ... Ouroboros maybe once again soon 070211 ... hsg nuts ae tasty. yumm... cashews... nonprocessed, yummy legumes! 070211 ... ClairE Living_Among_Meat_Eaters by Carol Adams is a great book on how to deal with omnivores in your environment. I rely on this book. 090511 ... z are there any indigenous populations who live in places with real winter and are also vegan? 090511 ... unhinged what's to deal with? everyone has the right to their choices. and when people give me shit about not eating meat, the second i say i don't care if they do, it's their karma not mine, they usually shut the fuck up. soy cheese sucks. 090511 ... unhinged a girl i was accquainted with was wearing a wisconsin t-shirt at the show on sunday that said 'save a cow, eat some cheese' and when i ran into her in the bathroom and told her i liked her shirt she said: 'i was vegan for awhile, but i just love cheese. we DO live in wisconsin' cheese is a birthright around here. i don't think i ever really actually got the glorious wonders of cheese until after i moved here. 090519 ... deb vegans taste better. so there. :P 100119 ... flowerock reading this blathe I realize how far "vegan" has come. or maybe I m just in the right states (ca, az...) when I was five my mom had us vegetarian, we went back and forth. I was often vegetarian and would take abrupt breaks because while I was not eating meat or a lot of dairy either, I was eating junk food, candy, breads, poor quality peanut butter(with crappy oils and sugar), not organic... I was unhealthy. now pseudo_vegan as I eat fish and no othrr animal or animal product. I don't use a lot of "products" but none of it has animals in it and it s usually bronners or something comparable. I will wear and use leather, almost everything I have is second hand so ethically I feel good about that since i am not supporting directly "bad" conpanies. there is so much more to the ethical side of this than "not eating animals" where do your veggies come from? I was shocked tonfind that some of my organic veggies came from China. all that fuel and time ad PACKAGING to transport my vegan organic foods... read labels. soy is bad too in my opinion. a lot of the veggie/vegan "foods" are pretty unhealthy, all carb and fat or soy. we need balance. if we hunted, fished, gathered, and grew our food it would be much better even than not killing at all because ll the packaging, refrigeration, transport, of the food and of the people moving and stocking and selling it... rough on the earth... my dog eats mostly organic grain free dog food. pets are not very eco friendly either to be honest, but they exist and they are full of love, can t survive in this environment with us without our help. 140818 ... unhinged (you are not vegan or vegetarian if you eat fish. there is a word for that: pescetarian) 140819 ... flowerock youright! I can imagine vegans would be unhappy with me saying I am any kind of vegan while eating fish flesh. 140819 ... paste! i call myself pescegan. i eat seafood but avoid land animals, dairy and eggs as much as possible. veggies are the best! reasoning: 70% health, 10% environmental, 20% ethical. not adamant or super strict, nor do i feel extreme guilt over breaking the plan, just slight agitation. 140822 ... flowerock pesegan? sounds anout right. some might still dislike that word/label, who knows, just words, the actions are more important. I might actually quit fish after watching a documentary on nuclear wast/run off and what it jas done and comtinues to do to people exposed and living in contaminated areas. I want a list of things that absorb and hold nuclear waste particles (I'm not very scientific here, this all my feeling not really 100% informed) and how it really works and effects humans and animals that eat the food, I think most of our land and air is more contaminated than is healthy, it may get better but it may get worse. Id like to know more. 140822 ... epitome of incomprehensibility I'm not, but I helped vegans very indirectly yesterday by asking for sherbet at the local ice-cream place. They don't have any, but if enough people ask they might think about getting some. (Sherbet or gelato, ice cream without milk, isn't as creamy but it's just as icy. Me, I'm just lactose intolerant. Those lactoses, tryin' ta immigrate here all at once...) 140825 ... flowerock you lactosist! ha. gelato usually has egg in it I think. or maybe i m confused... I am back and forth... I eat fish then I don t then I do now I don t again but I keep almost buying smoked salmon... tonight I turned down a sushi invite... 140825 ... e_o_i The place I know downtown has vegan sherbet. Very good ginger one, too - very gingery. Another word-offshoot of vegan is "freegan." I've seen different definitions for that, though, not just about eating things that are free. 140826 ... flowerock ginger is amazing, yes, it has to be very gingery! mmm. I used to get my coffee with just ginger juice added. freegan, yes. I generally applied that to dumpster_diving food_rescue or offers of free food. 140826 what's it to you? who go blather from