vegan ? Call me ignorant, but what is a vegan? 010413 ... johnny west A vegetarian. That's the only definition I'm aware of. 010413 ... Zoe it's a person who doesn't eat meat, cheese, or any dairy product at all. that's no eggs, milk, yogurt, icecream, etc. 010413 ... CheapVodka Close but no entire cigar. I'm a vegan. It is like a vegetarian only we don't believe in the ingesting of any animal products what-so-ever. While vegetarians avoid flesh, vegans also avoid dairy and eggs, as well as fur, wool, leather, and cosmetics or chemical products tested on animals. It's a life style that I do enjoy. Healthy for us as well as the environment and every living thing we share it with. 011104 ... "bunnyboy" dont poison your body. you were only given one. go vegan. 011204 ... Carcharodon carcharias people who go vegan are fine, i've been doing my best not to be vegan but i am reducing the amount of meat i eat (so far i've vastly cut my red meat intake, but i think it would be difficult at best to lay off the poultry and seafood) but for fucksakes i saw vegan dog food the other day and i'm sorry, but as omnivorous as dogs and their ancestor/cousins the wolves might be, THEY AREN'T VEGANS! they are predator/scavengers by nature (hence the occasional garbage can overturned in your kitchen...instinct) forcing an adopted human trait on an animal against its nature is no better than serving another animal up on a plate (if you believe that it is wrong) meat cutting teeth are called CANINEs for a reason, people. 011204 ... "bunnyboy" i don't have a dog, i'm allergic. i have a cat and i feed it meat. just because i'm vegan, doesn't mean my animal friends are. you should try some of that vegan dog food though, i've never seen it, sounds...interesting. 011204 ... shark (carcharias) i'm still trying to cultivate my taste for tofu 011205 ... jestification vegan pets? because if we don't wear leather or eat meat then why would we want pets? (who serve as subordinates)....unless we adopted them.... but that's still supporting a system that exists through explotation & oppressiobn... and why would we feed these pets food containing 'left over' meat products from some grossly violent factory perfecting butchering methods? (perfection = fastest & most profitable) ......*@iF i wAs vegAn@*..... why not go all the way..... 011205 ... carcharodon carcharias (and chips) because the first domestic dogs were scavenger wolves who lost their fear of our primitive ancestors. all dogs are descended from wolves, the breeds we know were selectively bred for each of their optimal traits (though some were apparetly seem to have bred as some sort of cruel joke...chihuahuas, poodles, pomeranians, lhasa apsos and all other "rat dogs") you never hear about soya hounds although bloodhounds are a reality but like i said in the beginning, i can understand why humans might go that route, evolution is slowly relieveing us of the need for such large quantities of meat protein as our acncestors once thrived on and our bodies will mostly support a VOLUNTARY transition now, but the thought of someone for no other reason than ideology trying to alter the eating habits of an animal who is primarily a natural carnivore....laughable. as much ignorance in the face of nature as the people who bulldoze rainforests for mcdonalds beef supplies seriously, vegan dog food? what's next, tofu mice for constrictors? veggie burger antelopes for lions? soy protein seals for orcas and sharks? heheh. 011205 ... carcharodon carcharias (with tartar sauce) also, i was tempted to try the vegan dog food myself, actually, god knows when i was high i ate the real thing on more than one occasion. and if you ever get the chance to try some vegetarian foie gras, i highly recommend it. good stuff. even from a predator's point of view 011205 ... jestification constrictors, lions, sharks, antelopes? yeah, millions of people have them in their yards so there would be a market for.................ahem. my point was that back in the day when dogs were domesticated, the society was not at 1 million miles per, hour post-industrialized, CONSUME! CONSUME! level. so the means of getting meat was, um, natural (for lack of a better word).....the "meat" in dog food today...is some fucked up shit. ol' roy is supporting the same system as mcdonalds.....and some people find the devil in mcdonalds, in order to be consistent, they should see the devil in ol' roy too. maybe "organic" dog food would be a better option rather than "vegan" dog food.... 011209 ... carcharodon getting high in a carbon cave i can dig that. 011210 ... jestification :) - 011210 ... oren There was a sect during the 70s called Vegans. They all drove little Chevrolets around, pointing and laughing at Ford Pintos. 011210 ... rusty wolves (and dogs) are naturally omnivorous. in the wild, they will eat bark, berries, etc. in addition to meat, and generally don't eat meat every single day either like most of america does. also, most dog food you buy at the store is at least 90% grain filler anyways, so this vegan dog food thing doesn't seem so strange. unlike cats (which need the taurine from meat, although we can produce it synthetically now as well), dogs have no inherent nutrient requirements that require them to eat meat 011230 ... cajun blackened filet of carcharodon carcharias true enough, i thought i had acceded the point of dogs being omnivorous already, but my original point was the issue of trying to impose human quirks on our pets omnivorous to be sure, but given a readily available supply of prey and carrion the average canine will indulge for instance; the 3 black labs i grew up with were natural hunters, two of them were quite adept at snatching low flying birds out of the air and the third had an appetite for gophers and field mice even though they were well-fed by us i think they did it as much for the fun as for the taste kinda like me with swimmers in florida 011230 ... cube Vega is a star of the first magnitude that is the brightest in the constellation Lyra. Where else would Vegans come from? As to living by plant life only, that's just PR in order to lull us into a false sense of security. Have you ever heard a Vegan discussing space travel? See, i told ya... ³ 011231 ... "its a cookbook!" "To Serve Man" 020101 ... drunken So, what do you have to complain about this? I feed my dog vegan dog food, but I also give her meat from the food bank that is just going to be discarded. I'm poor enough that i get food from the food bank anyway. There are TONS of gov't surplus animal products that just become discarded. I would not buy meat, but this is just going to go into the trash, so why not give it to her? I will not feed her bought meat, as an ethical choice, but I will also not stop her from killing and eating squirrels outside. 020113 ... bzzmel i'm vegan. 020118 ... carcharodon carcharias so you're not exclusively limiting your dog to veganism. that's my point. bzzmel. that's cool. i'm waiting for summer so i can eat more tourists, personally 020118 ... dundun no, i am not totally making the dog vegan. i think it is self defeating to call oneself vegan and then completely limit the free will of another creature. but, i also don't think vegan dog food is absurd, whoever said that on here. i am glad it exists, since i won't buy my dog anything else. and, i think people made very good points about most dog food being 90% grain anyhow. my dog loves veggies and carbohydrates and gets as excited about them as meat. she has also never refused her vegan dog food, but i have seen her spit out chicken. 020123 ... ----- oh yeah , i got her some vegan dog treats the other day, but i ate them all. they tasted like i remember combos tasting. real fucking good. "primarily a carnivore", thats an omnivore. of course it is inherently oppressive to have animals as "pets". however, giving the animals i have adopted as much happiness as posssible, which to me means NOT oppressing any other for fucking food, is the best i can do right now. untill we are all dead. 020123 ... j_blue not having read most of this i would say i am vegan because to be the most harmless as possible is a good thing if you can live without killing, or exploiting, than why not? we dont allow our dogs to kill, or most of us dont at least; and if they can live without harming, than why not? when i keep pets, its to save them from the lives of subordination and trauma and sheer lack of respect they might otherwise recieve it is wrong to subordinate/mistreat/disrespect an individual of lesser intelligence while it is impossible to live up to most idealism, its good to keep trying, and to be practical about it 020123 ... carcharodon carcharias in vegas baby like i said, if it works for you, then hey, by all means do it. i ate the licencse plate that fell off a garbage scow, i've eaten tires and bolts and chewed a couple of sunken canoes i'm as omnivorous as the next guy but when the scent of blood hits the water, baby, it's mack_the_knife time 020124 ... "Ancient Pagan" Hey, Carcharodon Carcharias With Tartar Sauce In Vegas With Creme Brulet & A Sweet Cherry Ontop, hey you man! I am a vegan! I suffered chronic constipation & frequent illness as a child, then I switched to mainstream, junkie Vegetarianism. Constipation left and illness radically subsided. A few years back I switched to vegan and illness and overweight left! I was clinically obese and lost fifty pounds in eight months! My vegan diet is 90% raw foods baby! Its called 'Raw Veganism' (see http://www.davidwolfe.com/ to cognize). My thyroid was almost dead ("Hashimoto's Disease") and is now recovering--to my doctor's surprise! Any Vegan, Vegetarian or fleshly diet is unhealthy if not planned rationally! But dogs being Vegan? David Wolfe's friend's dog is 90% vegan most of the time and is perfectly healthy...but it does need some raw meat on occaison. Cats being Vegan? Nevermind! You, my friend, know that fish ain't veggies but to ya'll out there: Fish Do Not Grow On Trees! Hey, Carcharodon Carcharias with Creme Brulet, Mushroom Gravy & Bag O' Chips: take care of yourself! Bon Appetit! 020514 ... sporkwielder there's nothing evil about meat, it's just muscle, bunched cells drained of higher purposes. Being in this universe means we need energy, from outside us. That's the way it be. Vegetables are fine and good, but they send out electrical impulses too. maybe they feel pain. who knows. all i know is, without fish and turkey, i'd get the shakes and i'd have nothing sporkworthy 020514 ... carcharodon carcharias thanks O pagan one, if i spot you in the sea, i'll give you a pass. otherwise i'm hoping that swimmer season in florida turns out as tastily as it did last year, damn that was good_times 020515 ... phil If a cow dies, and noone is around to eat it, does it make a steak? 020515 ... sporkwielder man...i'd think it a painful honor to be eaten by a shark....unfortunately of all the people in the states this year only one is likely to be eaten by a shark in their life. And if i had to go, i'd go prehistoric...just to see a carcharadon megladon would excite me tremendously and i'd have a sublime albeit still painful death. 020516 ... knot meat does that mean you'll wanna eat me? 020516 ... carcharodon carcharias hey, you never know. gotta find my lunch somewhere 020516 ... "bunnyboy" i'd eat people if i could 030130 ... Carcharodon Carcharias yee-hah, bring on the fava beans and the nice chianti 030131 ... "bunnyboy" *slurping noises* can i start by eating you? 030201 ... me we shouldn't have pets, if they're supposed to scavenge then let them scavenge and not support the animal-producing meat industry. 031231 ... mon i think canned soy mice would be a hit with my cats 031231 ... fridayinluv I'm a vegan. And yes, vegans taste better. 040104 ... shinequwa My sister, susie, is vegan 040116 ... babaganooj eat the honey, drink the milk fish and chicken, eggs and silk 040128 ... vegan since 95 check out this article... oldest living dog 27 years old... VEGAN.... I certainly wouldn't want to eat "chicken and beef by-products(cancerous tissue, rotten meat in styrofoam that didn't sell at the market, and other body parts that aren't edible... bad news... 040221 ... white_wave i've tried going vegan. there are many delicious vegan foods to eat. except for I can't stand the vegan cheese. just couldn't handle it anymore. don't hate me because I now eat the lining of a cow's stomach on a pizza. 040221 ... farky the third if a vegan "swallows" does