philosophical_theologeans The Truth Here is a perplexing thought: Given, That God is Alive, and all Living things in the universe abide by a pattern (or law) of criteria, Does God abide by those laws, while He is in the Universe? Meaning: In order for something to be "Alive" it must fit certain requirements. 1. It must be born. 2. it must Grow and Develop. 3. must consume food for energy. 4. must have cells (this criterium is made by the naivety of Earth-based scientists) 5. It dies. 6. it rests (sleeps). 7. it reproduces. Does any part of God which enters the universe abide by those criteria? 010503 ... Dafremen You speak about God and the Universe as if they are two separate things. They are not. God is our word for the creator. The Universe is your creator. The Universe is, therefore, God. If someone or something created the Universe, that is the Universe's God...not mine and it/he/she is certainly of no concern to me. 010503 ... kx21 GLUE rather than PATTERN/ LAW:- The Game of God , G The Limit of Life , L The Unknown of The Universe, U and The Energy of Everything... 010503 ... florescent light yeah, those Christians preachers sure do know how to Glue themselves good to people. One of them stuck on to me alllll the way home from work one night. Sticky sticky. 010503 ... kx21 Or The Game / God , G The Limit / Life , L The Unknown / The Universe, U and The Energy / Everything, E ... 010503 ... kx21 Or The Game vs God , G The Limit vs Life , L The Unknown vs The Universe, U and The Energy vs Everything, E ... 010503 ... The Truth I speak about God as extradimensionular. I speak about the universe as an extension of God. For instance, the universe is like a big clock... having moving and revolving systems and gears that behave like clockwork (after all, we measure all our time by the universe (sun)). And God is the watchmaker. Now, if you took apart an old watch. You would find only traces of its maker. Just a style of workmanship. Fine skill and detailed artistry. Stuff like that. But with the universe, the watch is made out of vibrating pieces of God. Yet not all of Him. God exists in the universe, outside of the universe, and he IS the universe. 010504 ... kx21 Is it true that God is just a Characters of U's game, as to the Yellow Big Bird in sesame Street TV show, which is created for the sake of Human Beings? 010504 ... Dafremen Our clock (sun) is a creation of the Universe (God) just as we are. The Universe is less like a clock than it is like a huge CREATION machine, cranking out more wondrous and amazing as well as repetitive and monotonous things in one day than all of humankind has created since its first rational thought was produced. No indeed perhaps there IS a creator of the Universe, I PERSONALLY don't see any use in pondering the nature of my creator's creator, THERE's a philisophical and mental exercise without end(sort of the mental equivilant of chasing your tail). I must admit that I HAVE pondered the ORIGINS of MY creator (Universe God) and part through meditation and part through what I can only call indica induced revelation I believe I can explain the origin of the Universe in terms that are 100% in line with current scientific theories. I choose not to entertain that line of thought much however, it makes it all that much harder to be content with being what I am. Which is this opinionated, little pink blip on the surface of this big round blue blip called Earth. 010505 ... kx21 Is is true that there is a beginning / an origin of Everything? 010510 ... Dafremen I believe it is possible although not necessary. I'm capable of imagining a Universe with no end or beginning, some folx aren't. No harm in explaining how everything COULD have originated if your explanation doesn't take anything away from the current, NEVERENDING nature of the Universe. What's REALLY spooky is the fact that a perfectly logical scientifically sensible theory for the origin of the Universe could be started with a simple statement like: "Let there be Light, lot's of it!" Perhaps I'll elaborate later after I watch the religion haters jump on that one just so I can snicker at them when I DO elaborate. 010510 ... nocturnal yeah, I'm gonna write about this later today as I'm working on my philosophy paper. it'll be on my mind seeing as how I think I have to write about this very thing. but for now...chemistry awaits. 010510 ... monadh we are the Universe every moment is a thread on some fantastic cosmic loom 010510 ... Miner We have seen on this planet, an amazing ability for life to devolpe, adapt in and flourish in almost any environmeant and condition. So isnt it feasable to say life developed in the universe because it fancied a challenge and believed it could, and as for the universe, whos to say it either isnt a living entity in its own right, only on a much larger scale, and we are in fact parasites, or that the universe was created 010510 ... Miner by life for the sole purpose of giving it somewhere to set up home. 010510 ... redspark wow im confused 010510 ... monadhsith to feel it all this unrivalled moment of existance all in a breath this sweet song of life in the movement of an orchard scene where the waters flow from mountain streams And I some adventure seek in this eternal landscape I call my soul 010511 ... kx21 A more logical and sensible theory for the origin of the Universe could be started with the following simplest statement: "Let there be Nothing" or "Let there be God" instead of "Let there be Light" as stated in the Bible... Is there an error in the Bible? How did God create the Light? 010512 ... kx21 What are types of Limits in U? Are these limits created by God or Men? 010512 ... The Truth I thought about that too, kx21, a long time ago, and so I decided to see if there was anything special about LIGHT itself. I was, and still am, AMAZED at how awesome light actually is! Light has so many functions and purposes, I think I'll need to make a blather-room about light, if there isn't one already. Light is an energy beyond what we can see. Light is the positive half of the universe. 010515 ... Dafremen Light is the foundation of everything. I'll elaborate a little bit later. 010515 ... kx21 The foundation of Everything:- Life instead of Light? Given U is conitinue expansion :- More shit (e.g. dark-matter) than star (e.g. bright-matter) in U now... 010517 ... kx21 The foundation of Everything:- Life instead of Light? Given U is conitinue expansion :- More shit (e.g. dark-matter) than star (e.g. bright-matter) in U now... 010517 ... kx21 The foundation of Everything:- Life instead of Light? Given U is conitinue expansion :- More shit (e.g. dark-matter) than star (e.g. bright-matter) in U now... 010517 ... kx21 The foundation of Everything:- Life instead of Light? 010517 ... kx21 The foundation of Everything:- Life instead of Light? 010517 ... kx21 The foundation of Everything:- Life instead of Light? 010517 ... kx21 The foundation of Everything:- Life instead of Light? 010517 ... Dafremen Life is one of many byproducts of Light. 010517 ... The Truth If you look at the electromagnetic spectrum, the limitless light that eminates throughout our universe, both visible and invisible: It starts at the void and ends with the infinite... "Cellular processes on the biological level organize at dimensions identical to light waves." -source: Richard Haider http://www.serv.net/~only1egg/ So, in terms of the elctromagentic spectrum life and light begin in the exact same dimension. But God is the God of Life and Light, they are two seperate things. Light can exist without life, but life can not exist without light. So perhaps all energy and matter could simply be light waves of some form. Any thoughts? 010517 ... kx21 life can not exist without light:- Is this your gut feelings or the_truth? 010517 ... Dafremen Life CAN exist without light, but it cannot exist without, at some time, going through a state of being of light. Everything does. And THAT is the truth. 010518 ... nocturnal well, on a literal level, life cannot exist without light. try developing a lightless photosynthesis. 010518 ... Dafremen You assume that all life is carbon based and sugar supported. 010518 ... nocturnal it's all about the chain, ya see. plants need light and almost everything else (ourselves included) need plants. that's all I was saying. still working on getting the science out of my brain, but apparently it's still hiding out in there somewhere. 010518 ... Dafremen You like smoked oysters? I love em. Specially with a beer. 010518 ... The Truth There are those micro-oganisms at the bottom of the sea (where light cannot reach) that live off of the heat from volcanic plumes. But I would argue that heat is an invisible form of light. These are neither my gut feelings nor the_truth, merely philosophical, theological speculations about the vast unknown. 010518 ... kx21 Everything needs Nothing to exist... 010708 ... kx21 As to Humans need water and food to exist... 010708 ... Dafremen We find that much of science is devoted to the study of life and the search for some form of it outside our own ecosystem. Although success is probable if not inevitable, I honestly feel that science and the Church of Empirical Research has tied it's own hands and slowed it's progress through it's insistence on excluding or minimizing intuition as a research tool. The empiricists have us looking for carbon-based life forms that need water, possibly oxygen and some sort of simple sugar fuels to survive. Why? Because that is all that they know. That is all that they have within the realm of their experience. Even their theories about life all revolve around human experience and knowledge of what constitutes life and intelligence. It's this same conventional thinking that has them looking at the Earth like a huge ball of molten rock covered with dirt, water and air. They can't conceive of life forms that AREN'T carbon based any more than they can TOLERATE the thought of life forms with multi-million or multi-billion year life cycles. Having set their rules as the standard and having elected themselves as judges of truth, the universe of their minds and their inquiries has become too small to hold even their own egos, let alone an (for all intents and purposes)immortal lifeform. Fortunately having set the rules, they don't have to acknowledge ANYTHING which the senses can't detect. They can simply dismiss that which does not jibe with the conventional wisdom.(Smug self satisfied little bugs in time that they are. By the way...what WERE the names of those "academics" who ridiculed and tortured Copernicus?) Philosophy is the cookie jar of new ideas into which they must occasionally reach when their "touchy feely looky" methods start to fail them. Einstein knew what most of them do not. For as long as you insist on taking your mind only where your senses say it should go, you often ignore the truth in favor of your senses. He chose instead to let his mind do the research, going where it would, then he let the senses and empirical data do the field work. Philosophy is the science of possibilities without which the entire scientific community is little more than a tour guide to the universe. Not really creating ANYTHING just showing the rest of us tourists what's out there. 010708 ... The Truth Amazing. I couldn't agree with you more. I've envisioned non-carbon-based beings that have an electrochemical energy field as it's "body". Without slow organic tissues to transmit thought waves through, these superthinkers could have the imagination, comprehension power and analytical calculation abilities of 20 million Einsteins. 010709 ... Dafremen Bite your tongue infidel! Einstein's genius makes your hypothetical "calculating being" look like a chimp in a skinner box with a single button that both shocks him and drops a treat at the same time. 010709 ... The Truth I'd say you suffer from "einstein-envy" Well, I won't be dragged into your "my einstein is better than yours!" game. Einstein's intelligence was rendered by (and limited to) an abnormally high concentration of Glial Cells in his brain, giving him a superior integration between his imagination and his memory recollection abilities. Any monkeyzoid on any planet that evolved and adapted the ability to manipulate Glial Cellular Reproduction rates could easily produce the same effect. But if a being didn't have a brain, nor glial cells, only a much more advanced system of integrating transmemorial imagination functions, it would be writing out the (theory_of_everything) equation faster than Einstein could say "duh"! Whoa, look...I've been dragged into your game after all! Perhaps I too have Einstein-Envy 010710 ... kx21 The New Scientific Theory/ Finding / Thought:- Memory exists not only in our Brain, but Everywhere in our body e.g. our Heart, Liver, etc... Given that Memory is the Mother of our Mind. Is it true that we can think with our Heart / without our brain? 010710 ... Dafremen Zzzzz....so you read that article too? 010710 ... The Truth That's news to me! I miss out on a few things since I boycott_television, but at least I save a lot of dimples from growing on my ass. It would explain a few holes in a few of my theories though. Such as: If, once your body ceases to function, your soul leaves your body, how does it remember any events from your life inside that body? If your soul is to be held accountable for those actions (both right and wrong) you committed while borrowing that flesh coat, how could it be physically possible unless the collective energy force (soul) that escaped your carcass retained a detailed record of all events intact? But if the memory exists as a symbiotic life force, not just a brain function, then maybe memory = soul hmmmm... to be continued (((begins stroking the facial hair on his chin.))) 010711 ... Dafremen So far I'm still looking for the flaws in mine. I guess that's the difference between a theory based on reality and observation and a theory extracted from one's ass. The solution to your dilemma lies in one of two directions: Either you realize that the theory doesn't hold water and move on. OOORRR You can do what the writers of Batman do. Whenever Batman was in a situation that they just COULD NOT get him out of, they turned to his utility belt. They'd make up a new gizmo that we hadn't seen yet and viola...the absolutely nonsensical escape from danger makes perfect sense. See as long as you can make up anything you like to explain away inconsistencies, you can MAKE your theory hold water...and since the whole theory is made up ANYWAY...what's the harm? For instance...when discussing the legitimacy of the Bible you can tell people that something was meant FIGURATIVELY or SYMBOLICALLY when it suits you, but then turn around later and say that another part must be taken LITERALLY when your theory needs it to be. As long as you can change the rules and decide which questions get asked...YOU get to decide what is the truth and what isn't. What fun! Howz that beer KSS? 010711 ... The Truth That is psychotic. You act as if there is no such thing as a lie. I am seeking to uphold the rules, not change them, and I argue ambitiously that THE RULES HAVE NOT CHANGED. There IS a LIE people. (Ya know, opposite of the truth?!?) All true theories are assumptions based on facts. You may agree or disagree with them, but regardless of whether you like it or not, they will "hold water" and stand up to way more pressure than can be applied from the "I don't like its". The beauty about the truth vs. the lie is that logical deductions and common sense can make the distinction. This process coupled with righteous moral experience creates wisdom. An example of a lie is batman's utility belt. We are so accustomed to fiction that we fail to percieve it's dreaded side effects of blurring the lines of morality. An example of the truth is the bible. Any bible thumper can claim a certain verse line is figurative, and another line is symbolic, that's his or her own opinion. That doesn't make it fact. Many people do that in order to conform the Word to THEIR own ideals, not God's. The truth is, there are embedded scriptual texts within each book that explain which of the types of writing there are. ------- I have compiled a chart-------- see: What_is_the_bible_all_about --------------------------------------- God's Ideals are infinitely true, just, and right. They can never be flawed, ever. That's a fact. Just like, you can't divide by zero, that is a fact! 010711 ... The Truth That is psychotic. You act as if there is no such thing as a lie. I am seeking to uphold the rules, not change them, and I argue ambitiously that THE RULES HAVE NOT CHANGED. There IS a LIE people. (Ya know, opposite of the truth?!?) All true theories are assumptions based on facts. You may agree or disagree with them, but regardless of whether you like it or not, they will "hold water" and stand up to way more pressure than can be applied from the "I don't like its". The beauty about the truth vs. the lie is that logical deductions and common sense can make the distinction. This process coupled with righteous moral experience creates wisdom. An example of a lie is batman's utility belt. We are so accustomed to fiction that we fail to percieve it's dreaded side effects of blurring the lines of morality. An example of the truth is the bible. Any bible thumper can claim a certain verse line is figurative, and another line is symbolic, that's his or her own opinion. That doesn't make it fact. Many people do that in order to conform the Word to THEIR own ideals, not God's. The truth is, there are embedded scriptual texts within each book that explain which of the types of writing there are. ------- I have compiled a chart-------- see: What_is_the_bible_all_about --------------------------------------- God's Ideals are infinitely true, just, and right. They can never be flawed, ever. That's a fact. Just like, you can't divide by zero, that is a fact! 010711 ... The Truth That is psychotic. You act as if there is no such thing as a lie. I am seeking to uphold the rules, not change them, and I argue ambitiously that THE RULES HAVE NOT CHANGED. There IS a LIE people. (Ya know, opposite of the truth?!?) All true theories are assumptions based on facts. You may agree or disagree with them, but regardless of whether you like it or not, they will "hold water" and stand up to way more pressure than can be applied from the "I don't like its". The beauty about the truth vs. the lie is that logical deductions and common sense can make the distinction. This process coupled with righteous moral experience creates wisdom. An example of a lie is batman's utility belt. We are so accustomed to fiction that we fail to percieve it's dreaded side effects of blurring the lines of morality. An example of the truth is the bible. Any bible thumper can claim a certain verse line is figurative, and another line is symbolic, that's his or her own opinion. That doesn't make it fact. Many people do that in order to conform the Word to THEIR own ideals, not God's. The truth is, there are embedded scriptual texts within each book that explain which of the types of writing there are. ------- I have compiled a chart-------- see: What_is_the_bible_all_about --------------------------------------- God's Ideals are infinitely true, just, and right. They can never be flawed, ever. That's a fact. Just like, you can't divide by zero, that is a fact! 010711 ... The Truth That is psychotic. You act as if there is no such thing as a lie. I am seeking to uphold the rules, not change them, and I argue ambitiously that THE RULES HAVE NOT CHANGED. There IS a LIE people. (Ya know, opposite of the truth?!?) All true theories are assumptions based on facts. You may agree or disagree with them, but regardless of whether you like it or not, they will "hold water" and stand up to way more pressure than can be applied from the "I don't like its". The beauty about the truth vs. the lie is that logical deductions and common sense can make the distinction. This process coupled with righteous moral experience creates wisdom. An example of a lie is batman's utility belt. We are so accustomed to fiction that we may fail to percieve it's dreaded side effects of blurring the lines of morality. An example of the truth is the bible. Any bible thumper can claim a certain verse line is figurative, and another line is symbolic, that's his or her own opinion. That doesn't make it fact. Many people do that in order to conform the Word to THEIR own ideals, not God's. The truth is, there are embedded scriptual texts within each book that explain which of the types of writing there are. see: What_is_the_bible_all_about God's Ideals are infinitely true, just, and right. They can never be flawed, ever. That's a fact. Just like, you can't divide by zero, that is a fact! 010711 ... The Truth what_is_the_bible_all_about 010711 ... kx21 Given that one's true is someone's false... And that most of the Facts, scientific or non-scientific are somehow established from or somewhat based on a set of specific assumption(s)... Are these Facts really true? e.g. You can't divide by zero, There is a sole creator of U, etc... 010712 ... The Truth well kx21..think of us as a simpler life form...such as wheat. We humans are just like the wheat in the field. Some are taller than others, but we all pretty much look the same. Now...it can be stated, accurate and truthfully, that: "The wheat needs light in order to grow." How is that true fact someone else's false? 010712 ... kx21 What is Light? A Product of God / Nothing? 010713 ... kx21 A Product of God from Nothing? 010713 ... kx21 Nothing is True? 010713 ... kx21 Light is just a string of Stars and Shits radiate through the Holes in U... 010722 what's it to you? who go blather from