post_your_entries_here ۞ Below are the entries for The_Atheists_Challenge So far, there have been no qualified attempts. Most would-be entrants are busy squabbling over the rules. Hopefully they get everything sorted out soon. Only 26 days left!! é‹³Žt 041110 ... ۞ Below are the entries for The_Atheists_Challenge So far, there have been no qualified attempts. Most would-be entrants are busy squabbling over the rules. Hopefully they get everything sorted out soon. Only 26 days left!! é‹³Žt 041110 ... 28 usc 1983 I can't wait until the time runs out and I automatically start believing in the divinity of Christ! 041110 ... stork daddy it's funny that the disproving of god is subject to the statute of limitations. 041111 ... gatsby Knowing the rules are important. You can't play in a contest if the rules don't make sense. Then only the fools would post entries. 041111 ... Dr. Science von NoSoul Well, my Christian friend, since you issued this challenge, I accept, and let me say that it is not without a certain tempered relish that I shall disprove your cherished beliefs, for I am a man of science and not spirituality, of intellectual rigor rather than ineffectual fervor. You see, as you no doubt heard in your secular high school education, we come from apes, apes come from amphibians, amphibians from amoebas, and so on. There's simply no need, indeed no place, for God in the theory of evolution, which Darwin first proposed hundreds of years ago. Some Christians like to point out that there is simply no proof of evolution, but those Christians overlook the thousands of redoubtable volumes on evolution written by professors at prestigious universities across the nation and in France. With that much sheer brain power backing it, the theory doesn't need any proof. Scientists must sometimes make up the details of the evolutionary process to convince Christians who otherwise would insist that Intelliegnt Design be taught in school alongside evolution. Thus, sometimes a geologist will find a small bone, not even necessarily human, and reconstruct a whole neanderthal based on the "fossilized evidence." This is not an ethical concern for two reasons. Firstly, Christianity is not based on logic and reason, therefore has no value, and should be eradicated systematically from modern society. Therefore anything that leads to undermining the Christian belief system is justified, be it entirely fabricated or not. Secondly, I am a secularist, and therefore ethics are not a concern for me. I and my colleagues long ago did away with ethics and morals, partly because such endeavors are very difficult but not immediately gratifying, and partly because they are not based on solid logic. That should be enough to turn you into an atheist. And remember, if all goes well, we'll be giving fourth graders abortions, letting them gay marry, and harvesting their stem cells all without their parents' consent. 041111 ... stork daddy let it be noted that i didn't post an entry. 041111 ... magicforest MY ANSWER IS: 42 wins 041111 ... () (42, too) 041111 ... As for sheer brain power of learned men devoted to a certain thought, all men once KNEW that the earth was flat. And obviously it is flat, but that is beside the point. And Darwin did not set out to disprove christianity's beliefs, nor has he. He merely tried to figure out how God did it. Creationism vs Darwinism is a joke. 041111 ... Jeca no evidence for evolution my ass! look, i know this is sticky stuff but you just stepped outside the bounds of religious debate here. i'm tired of arguing, but c'mon! i'm a semester away from graduating with a degree in geology with minors in anthropology and biology. i've spent almost three and a half years not only studying this stuff, but digging fossils and working with the scientists you mention. my boyfriend spent a semester with the equipment we use to date things older than a few million years. my friend works with tree rings. i've spent semesters learning about biological classification-- viewing and dissecting organisms representative of all the major branches of life. the very basis of modern biology is based on evolution-- without it, there is no framework from which you can generalize about biological groups. there are many pieces of evidence that support it. what SPECIFICALLY don't you understand/agree with? 041111 ... Dr. Science von NoSoul Well, since I have a PhD (note the name) I'm not impressed with your anthro/bio undergrad work. Seriously, though, everyone else knew I was joking, right? Some Christians actually think that way of scientists and evolution (read the Jack Chick religious tract "Big Daddy" and others). That's what I was trying to get across. 041111 ... pete oi, come on now, your education counts for nothing here, your arrogance means the world is laughing at you, or the blather world, humble up 041112 ... Lemon_Soda Yet again nothing is proven or disproven and people still get upset at it... Nothing, that is. 041112 ... missionary Well, I'd have to agree with pete, and the "blank name" person. It is an entirely arrogant assumption to think that our modern day scholars know anything. It's a tremendous weakness to assume we know it all. What we are taught in universities comes from the mouths and minds of humans, who are imperfect beings. I was "taught" some things in college that were simply not true, but merely opinions coupled with passion and fear distributed by egotists thinking they were the final authority on the matter. If anything, the more we know collectively as humans, the more we know that we know nothing! 041112 ... Sammayael I saw a burning bush once, but it wasn't because God was telling me something, it was because i set it on fire while under the influence of psychotropic drugs, and as a result, the only voices i heard were the ones telling me to get the hose and quit fucking around with the lighter. How is it that i am to give all credit to god for my successes and take all the blame myself for my failures. Sounds like a cop-out to me. Whenever there's been just one set of footprints in the sand, it's not because god was carrying me but because if he really is there, he was standing on my head. If god and his heaven are so infallible and perfect, why did the MorningStar and a third of the Angels rebel? If all things are god's will wasn't The Fall a foregone conclusion designed and planned by god himself? amd if this is the case than the Devil himself is, in essence, the handiwork of God Himself which means, by logical extrapolation that God is the progenotor of "evil" If we are formed in His image, our flaws are His flaws. Free will is our gift and our curse, but it proceeds from Him so while we are responsible for our sins, He is not blameless, just as the man who leaves a loaded gun is not blameless for the child who kills himself or a playmate upon its discovery. it's called negligence. Also, why should something so finite as a human lifetime determine something like how one spends "eternity" and as there are still people on this earth who have not heard "His Word" are those people and their ancestors just arbitrarily and automatically damned because of that? Sort of flies in the face of the whole "Merciful and Loving God" sales pitch. I challenge YOU to address even one of my questions directly without resorting to the same circular arguments that your proselytizing predecessors around here have. I know you will resort to it, and thus fail, but here is my challenge, laid out before you. 041112 ... missionary Also, Evolution, as much as it is accepted as fact, is still merely a theory that is wrought with holes... Holes they fail to mention as they collect your tuition check. Check out some of the evidence_against_evolution. Such as: The Mathematical_Improbability of Evolution. Which basically boils down to the fact that after billions of years of molecules banging and crashing together at random, its about as mathematically probable for a Boeing_747 to come flying out of the primordial_ooze as it is for single living cell with the capabilities of reproducing DNA to be produced. 041112 ... .۞. Answers_for_Sammayael 041112 ... Tostada al Sadr Yeah, only problem is that it doesn't seem any less believable than the story that Once Upon A TIme, The Invisible CLoud Guy said "Whoomp! There it is!" and there it was. go figure. 041112 ... smurfus rex why is this being discussed AGAIN? this debate will go no further and accomplish no more than the_atheists_challenge, which is what this particular page is related to, so how bout lets put it on the shelf before it gets out of hand. AGAIN. no one is going to win this discussion either. 041112 ... magicforest thank you smurfus grins at the whole world 041112 ... from now on how bout we all play some badminton 041112 ... smurfus rex ooo, badminton! I haven't played that in forever! *gets a racket* 041113 ... . no, let's let it get out of hand AGAIN 041113 ... sameolme Pepsi! 041113 ... magicforest loves to serve the shuttlecock! 041113 ... .۞. "...a thorough knowledge of the Bible is worth more than a college education." Theodore Roosevelt 041115 ... symbol a thorough experience is life is more worthy than a bible education 041115 ... sameolme Friends don't let friends worship jealous, vengeful gods. 041115 ... 28 usc 1983 "'[A] thorough knowledge of the Bible is worth more than a college education.' Theodore Roosevelt" Wow, Teddy Roosevelt once made a comment that implied that Bible learning was in some way more valuable than all the other fancy book-learning to be had in college? Looks like it's back to church for me. 041117 ... 28 usc 1983 " Which basically boils down to the fact that after billions of years of molecules banging and crashing together at random, its about as mathematically probable for a Boeing 747 to come flying out of the primordial_ooze as it is for single living cell with the capabilities of reproducing DNA to be produced." Well, how unlikely our evolution was! You must know a lot about statistics. Unless you just read that somewhere and are repeating it, having never actually questioned the source. But yeah, I guess it's more likely that God put our DNA together from molecules like a kid with a big bag of Legos. Wherever you got the 747 stat--did it talk about what the odds were that God created the universe? 100%? Oh, yeah, duh, I should have known. No chance that it could be, I don't know, 88%? No? 88% is still pretty high. Of course, this makes me wonder why, if God put us together and didn't use evolution, it seems to have taken countless billions of years for us to get here. Was God taking his time? I mean, the dinosaurs were on Earth for a while. Did God make humans because he got bored of his big lizard collection? Oh, you say the Earth is only like 6000 years old, right? But what about rock layers, fossils of extinct animals and plants and such? That stuff makes the Earth seem pretty old. Oh, God put those fossils in the ground? So they were never alive? That's weird. I guess he made the rock layers, too. I guess he also made it appear as if the continents were once all one big continent that broke and drifted very slowly apart. It's weird that he made shifting tectonic plates, though, isn't it? You know, it's weird, but God has left a lot of circumstantial evidence for the great antiquity of the world and for evolution. It's almost like he's trying to throw us off. He's quite a jokester, eh? No? He isn't? Well then what's his deal? 041117 ... stork daddy i think it's quite clear that god was just trying to be modest. "oh what humanity? that old thing? oh there were a ton of intervening causes...what? oh yes...i guess i did create the intervening causes too and always maintained the power to change everything at every moment, but really i just let nature run its course...i mean after i created it of course...oh it's not like you owe me anything...did i tell you about my other invention, hell?" 041117 ... 28 usc 1983 By the way, that Dr. Science von NoSoul--what an arrogant guy! I can't believe people like that. 041117 ... smurfus rex you're interrupting our badminton game, here... :) 041117 ... User24 not read anything above so may be posting what someone else has already thought. the bible is not the word of God. you just need to get a King Jim version and compare it with an older version in order to discover sometimes massive diferences in translation. The bible, at most, is the mistranslated and misconceived word of god. Proving Jesus is not the son of god is also fairly easy; Mary was a virgin who gave birth, even assuming that this is technically feasible, Jesus would have no father, and therefore he cannot be the son of anyone. When do I collect my reward money? 041117 ... marked . 041117 ... 宣教師 Wow, someone once told me that the quintessential act of ignorance is commenting on things you know absolutley nothing about. 041117 ... missionary 28 usc 1983, Time is relative... 041117 ... magicforest U24, you made me giggle so hard I thought my nose would bleed. 041117 ... 28 usc 1983 Time is relative? Ok. In response: Grass is green. I mean, what does that statement attempt to answer? Maybe you want me to do all the work and figure out what you mean, but I'm going to decline. I mean, if you have a point, make it clear or at least attempt to do that. There is evidence of evolution. Rock layers, fossils of extinct animals. You must know (or maybe you don't) that at one point, the idea that the Earth was something like 6000 years old was less preposterous, and that the discovery of fossils of long extinct animals seemed to suggest that the earth was much, much older. This was a problem for fundamentalists who relied on the literal truth of the Bible. Some of them actually said that the fossils were never living animals, that they were sort of planted there by God. 041118 ... 28 usc 1983 And that's just some of the circumstantial evidence. There's tons more. It would make more sense for Christians to just concede that humans evolved from lower order organisms. You can still believe in God if you believe in evolution, just not the fundamentalists' interpretation of Jesus. 041118 ... 28 usc 1983 I mean, even the pope conceded that Adam and Eve were likely lower order creatures. Oh, then again, you used to think he was the Antichrist. 041118 ... p2 see: babel_fish 041118 ... sab im happy to play however, you have to play in return. its only fair i will prove to you completly and utterly that there is no god and that atheism is completly correct and there is no other way of thinking IF you first prove to me that christianity is completly correct that jehovah does exsist, and that he is the only god around that jesus is the son of god that satan does kick around underground planning the large scale conversion of sad sacks in badly tailored crushed velvet cloaks and too much eye liner and that there is no other correct ideas/ ideals/ religions/ gods you prove me that and i'll take your challenge. who are you to demand that i defend one particular view of the world and its creation without you defending another? otherwise im doing all the work and your just lazing about in the sun somewhere. and the devil makes work for idle hands im jsut beating him to it in this case. 041118 ... . After reading over this blathe it comes to mind that people are not half as gentle as they ought to be with eachother. It's shameful. 041206 ... 42 usc 1983 Then again, the narrow gentleness that you're probably referring to is in my opinion clearly subservient to the fairness that some would casually (and gently) deny to whole classes of people based ultimately on religion. But hey, yea for gentleness. 041206 what's it to you? who go blather from