matrix mmm would u rather live ur life not knowing the truth or be set free? 010326 ... unhinged the truth 010326 ... im not the one why, oh why didn't i take the BLUE pill? 010326 ... mmm it's 1:43 am and its on... i love the spoon part... "do not try to bend the spoon, that is imposible...just try to realize that there is no spoon"... its so existentialist 010420 ... Luuuuuuuuuucy! HOW THEY'VE TURNED YOU INTO A MENTAL SLAVE & SOME TOOLS TO HELP YOU DECONSTRUCTING THIS BRAINWASHING AND GETTING FREE FROM THIS CIRCUS www.freeyourbrain.org 010522 ... Luuuuuuuuuucy! don't tell anyone I read blather for hours before realizing how it worked.brain just works that way, I guess. Unless its mutants. 010522 ... nocturnal okay, just gotta correct somebody here. that is sooo NOT existentialist. not even close. try reading sartre if you wanna know what existentialism actually is. 010522 ... camille http://zflash.vilabol.uol.com.br/midnight.swf 020110 ... Ahmad to think, we could be living like that? id rather have the steack to the slop thanx 020808 ... Ahmad to think, we could be living like that? id rather have the steak to the slop thanx 020808 ... ~gez~ i know someone who believes in the matrix. i find it hilarious, i tried to send him the matrix trojan but he's too clever to figure it out. that film is so good, i love the coats they get to wear, i really want one. and the coolest quote "fate, it seems.. is not without a sense of irony" 021017 ... Hypertron Control #00398498 Do not post anything here, or your computer will be deleted. 030325 ... User24 its true, I posted here, and as soon as i hit "blather", bam! my computer dissappeared; there I was, sitting in front of an empty desk. what does everyone think of matrix3 ? 030613 ... birdmad that blathe does an interesting job of pondering the outcome of the story and baiting the rabid fan-boy types i dig it 030613 ... User24 glad you liked it :0) takes a bow 030613 ... celestias shadow how ironic that they depend on machines in order to live, as they fight machines that want them to die. then again, the matrix is like religion. neither of them can be disproved. go ahead, tell me it's not a cult. i should know. i belong. and believe me, look at these quotes. we know it all front to back. by the way, the first one was better. 030629 ... The Merovingian i just saw reloaded again and now i have a question, if Neo did his god-trick to a sentinel outside of the matrix, was he really outside of the matrix? how deep does the rabbit hole really run? 030629 ... Luke its quite dark here , so tell me how deep does it run ? 030704 ... The Merovingian in all honesty, even i do not know 030704 ... Mahayana "... it is not the spoon that bends, it is you." (Said by the boy at the Oracle's apartment to Neo.) This (and perhaps other pieces of dialogue, too) seems like an allusion to a famous Zen koan. In the version of the koan I remember reading, three monks are looking at a flag waving in the breeze. The first says, "the flag is moving." The second says, "no, it is the wind that moves." The third says, "no, it is not the flag or the wind, it is your mind that moves." 030813 ... oldephebe You know, I was going to try to fire up the old cognitive engine and pour on my extrapolations of existentialist doggerel, but after reading Mahayanas' eloquent and insightful comments I'll just stare at the screen with mute awe. 030813 ... oldephebe i agree though, the first one was way better. The second was a frenzied, and sometimes incongruous pasting together of scenes merely to exhibit the wizardry of the special effects. blech Not exactly waiting with bated breath for November... 030813 ... april z. I found the second one to be flashier, but that didn't really distract me from the message. it brought up many more questions. the first one was shocking, hopeful, and the mission was blazingly clear and noble: "free humanity from the terrible bondage" and "machines are evil".the second was complicated, confusing, disturbing, and the mission was blurring: "well, uh...we need machines to survive...so, uh...most of them are bad...some of them...are...bad...certain, special one's that we uh...influence." And oddly enough Neo the so called savior of humanity exhibits a few qualities of the machines. Is he some strange kind of hybrid? A synthesis of human and machine that evolved over perhaps many manifestions within the matrix? I really don't see movie one being better than two, and vice versa since they both have very compelling messages. that said, I am looking forward to the next. 030813 ... oldephebe nicely done 030813 ... starboy I know you're out there. I can feel you now. I know that you're afraid. You're afraid of us. You're afraid of change. I don't know the future. I didn't come here to tell you how this is going to end. I came here to tell you how it's going to begin. I'm going to hang up this phone, and then I'm going to show these people what you don't want them to see. I'm going to show them a world....without you. A world without rules and controls. Without borders or boundaries. A world where anything is possible. Where we go from there, is a choice I leave to you. 030814 ... User24 the second was better, it progressed the story; as an individual film, it was bad, but as part of the whole, it will be good, we have to wait until the trilogy is complete in order to see it. you wouldn't eat flour in order to taste bread. 030815 ... Sam Vaknin It is easy to confuse the concepts of "virtual reality" and a "computerized model of reality (simulation)". The former is a self-contained Universe, replete with its "laws of physics" and "logic". It can bear resemblance to the real world or not. It can be consistent or not. It can interact with the real world or not. In short, it is an arbitrary environment. In contrast, a model of reality must have a direct and strong relationship to the world. It must obey the rules of physics and of logic. The absence of such a relationship renders it meaningless. A flight simulator is not much good in a world without aeroplanes or if it ignores the laws of nature. A technical analysis program is useless without a stock exchange or if its mathematically erroneous. Yet, the two concepts are often confused because they are both mediated by and reside on computers. The computer is a self-contained (though not closed) Universe. It incorporates the hardware, the data and the instructions for the manipulation of the data (software). It is, therefore, by definition, a virtual reality. It is versatile and can correlate its reality with the world outside. But it can also refrain from doing so. This is the ominous "what if" in artificial intelligence (AI). What if a computer were to refuse to correlate its internal (virtual) reality with the reality of its makers? What if it were to impose its own reality on us and make it the privileged one? In the visually tantalizing movie, "The Matrix", a breed of AI computers takes over the world. It harvests human embryos in laboratories called "fields". It then feeds them through grim looking tubes and keeps them immersed in gelatinous liquid in cocoons. This new "machine species" derives its energy needs from the electricity produced by the billions of human bodies thus preserved. A sophisticated, all-pervasive, computer program called "The Matrix" generates a "world" inhabited by the consciousness of the unfortunate human batteries. Ensconced in their shells, they see themselves walking, talking, working and making love. This is a tangible and olfactory phantasm masterfully created by the Matrix. Its computing power is mind boggling. It generates the minutest details and reams of data in a spectacularly successful effort to maintain the illusion. A group of human miscreants succeeds to learn the secret of the Matrix. They form an underground and live aboard a ship, loosely communicating with a halcyon city called "Zion", the last bastion of resistance. In one of the scenes, Cypher, one of the rebels defects. Over a glass of (illusory) rubicund wine and (spectral) juicy steak, he poses the main dilemma of the movie. Is it better to live happily in a perfectly detailed delusion - or to survive unhappily but free of its hold? The Matrix controls the minds of all the humans in the world. It is a bridge between them, they inter-connected through it. It makes them share the same sights, smells and textures. They remember. They compete. They make decisions. The Matrix is sufficiently complex to allow for this apparent lack of determinism and ubiquity of free will. The root question is: is there any difference between making decisions and feeling certain of making them (not having made them)? If one is unaware of the existence of the Matrix, the answer is no. From the inside, as a part of the Matrix, making decisions and appearing to be making them are identical states. Only an outside observer - one who in possession of full information regarding both the Matrix and the humans - can tell the difference. Moreover, if the Matrix were a computer program of infinite complexity, no observer (finite or infinite) would have been able to say with any certainty whose a decision was - the Matrix's or the human's. And because the Matrix, for all intents and purposes, is infinite compared to the mind of any single, tube-nourished, individual - it is safe to say that the states of "making a decision" and "appearing to be making a decision" are subjectively indistinguishable. No individual within the Matrix would be able to tell the difference. His or her life would seem to him or her as real as ours are to us. The Matrix may be deterministic - but this determinism is inaccessible to individual minds because of the complexity involved. When faced with a trillion deterministic paths, one would be justified to feel that he exercised free, unconstrained will in choosing one of them. Free will and determinism are indistinguishable at a certain level of complexity. Yet, we KNOW that the Matrix is different to our world. It is NOT the same. This is an intuitive kind of knowledge, for sure, but this does not detract from its firmness. If there is no subjective difference between the Matrix and our Universe, there must be an objective one. Another key sentence is uttered by Morpheus, the leader of the rebels. He says to "The Chosen One" (the Messiah) that it is really the year 2199, though the Matrix gives the impression that it is 1999. This is where the Matrix and reality diverge. Though a human who would experience both would find them indistinguishable - objectively they are different. In one of them (the Matrix), people have no objective TIME (though the Matrix might have it). The other (reality) is governed by it. Under the spell of the Matrix, people feel as though time goes by. They have functioning watches. The sun rises and sets. Seasons change. They grow old and die. This is not entirely an illusion. Their bodies do decay and die, as ours do. They are not exempt from the laws of nature. But their AWARENESS of time is computer generated. The Matrix is sufficiently sophisticated and knowledgeable to maintain a close correlation between the physical state of the human (his health and age) and his consciousness of the passage of time. The basic rules of time - for instance, its asymmetry - are part of the program. But this is precisely it. Time in the minds of these people is program-generated, not reality-induced. It is not the derivative of change and irreversible (thermodynamic and other) processes OUT THERE. Their minds are part of a computer program and the computer program is a part of their minds. Their bodies are static, degenerating in their protective nests. Nothing happens to them except in their minds. They have no physical effect on the world. They effect no change. These things set the Matrix and reality apart. To "qualify" as reality a two-way interaction must occur. One flow of data is when reality influences the minds of people (as does the Matrix). The obverse, but equally necessary, type of data flow is when people know reality and influence it. The Matrix triggers a time sensation in people the same way that the Universe triggers a time sensation in us. Something does happen OUT THERE and it is called the Matrix. In this sense, the Matrix is real, it is the reality of these humans. It maintains the requirement of the first type of flow of data. But it fails the second test: people do not know that it exists or any of its attributes, nor do they affect it irreversibly. They do not change the Matrix. Paradoxically, the rebels do affect the Matrix (they almost destroy it). In doing so, they make it REAL. It is their REALITY because they KNOW it and they irreversibly CHANGE it. Applying this dual-track test, "virtual" reality IS a reality, albeit, at this stage, of a deterministic type. It affects our minds, we know that it exists and we affect it in return. Our choices and actions irreversibly alter the state of the system. This altered state, in turn, affects our minds. This interaction IS what we call "reality". With the advent of stochastic and quantum virtual reality generators - the distinction between "real" and "virtual" will fade. The Matrix thus is not impossible. But that it is possible - does not make it real. 031014 ... Blue Reaction The matrix, It’s an obsession. Some people love it, others don’t understand it. It is a movie created in equilibrium with perfection. I believe every thing has a purpose. There is no pain you can not learn from. There is always reason if we are willing to look a little deeper. 031201 ... Blue Reaction Welcome to my dream world 031201 ... MeKoy ok the matrix has messed me up inside. I always though in my head the world is just like the matrix when i found out someone else though that to mad me belive it might just be true. me life is usless noone loves me at least they say they do. but let what is life but let a reason to die. and why just live too die why die. this is the anger i fell in myself each nigth. so times im so creative my head fights with me and i lose contral and am fighting with myself. so i find ways to relife myself i cut. but why. i hurts i cry. i love it . i hate it. i want to stop i cant stop. why why. her this is something myfriend gave me it doesnt help the whole self worth issue but to me it makes more scence then anything. why am i fighting to live... if im just livin to fight...... why am i trying to see when there ain't nothing in sight.... why am i trying to give... when no one gives me a try... why am i dying to live...if im just livin to die? i know you think i might be mental but what the hel what is mental what is anything. you this site helps alot more peole than it does just giveing theme answer to what are words? i use to have a theropist, in case your woundering im just 14. anyways i told her these things. she joined in on the site seh only read never blather. a year later after she had canseled my opontments she called me up. she said she was guiteing her job she said why help peole answer thier guestions when thier are no answers? She said she reliazed the reasone she toke the job in the first place was because she herslef was looking for answers. 031226 ... cupcake i dont think there are answers but i don't think thats a reason to stop looking or liveing, i tihnk that you should instead just make each day as happy as you can and enjoy life and butterflies and pancakes and everything you can because that's all there is, and if you can't see the roses right now it's because your looking in the wrong direction. i think we make our own lives what we want them to be, and if its not what you want it to be it s bc you arent pushing it the right way. im sorry if i sound really cheery but if i let myse;lf be angry or depressed all the time then all it does is hurt but if i dont let it it cant hurt me and i like being happy better than anything else. i wish i could say things that would make it all better but i really dont know what to say besides i hope you can find the roses wherever they are, and i know that there are rosees areound you but you have to look for them! 031226 ... MeKoy HEy cupcake, you really help. thanks adn thanks for trying to be a rose to me. 031226 ... I want Trinitys hot ass The best part of The Matrix Reloaded was the shot of Trinity's ass as she got on the bike 040819 ... sexc SEX 050823 ... dafremen see also: blatrix 221223 what's it to you? who go blather from