the_echoes_of_vietnam kx21 "The Echoes of Vietnam" what's_the_'point'? 040808 ... a "point" * A_point_in_time * 3 November, 2003, 21:53 GMT Spectre of Vietnam looms over Iraq http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/world/middle_east/3237171.stm Congressman Dennis Kucinich "It is time to bring our troops home" 040808 ... and Oct. 29, 2003 Echoes of Vietnam Grow Louder http://msnbc.msn.com/id/3339577/ Newsweek Web Exclusive Comparisons between Iraq, war in Indochina are inevitable 040808 ... a "point" * Cut_and_Run * 040808 ... . Majority_of_Americans_now_call_Iraq_war_a_mistake... 040624 040808 ... uow vietraq 040809 ... Given Kerry: Still Would Have Approved Force for Iraq Mon Aug 9, 5:34 PM ET GRAND CANYON, Ariz. (Reuters) - Democratic presidential nominee John Kerry said on Monday he would have voted for the congressional resolution authorizing force against Iraq even if he had known then no weapons of mass destruction would be found. The_Images_of_Americans... 040809 ... a "point" But with a * Water_droplet * "American presidents should not send American forces into war without a plan to win the peace." 040809 ... And Many whys... 040809 ... . "Why did we rush to war without a plan to win the peace? Why did you rush to war on faulty intelligence and not do the hard work necessary to give America the truth? "Why did he mislead America about how he would go to war. Why has he not brought other countries to the table in order to support American troops in the way they deserve it and relieve the pressure on the American people?" 040809 ... news flash Why don't you write a letter to the newspapers if you feel so strongly about it? You have to like "spread the word", ya know. 040809 ... :) Over_and_Over across_the_Universe... 040810 ... Given a_phrase_is_worth_1000000_'pictures':- 040810 ... . "We can make them (Americans) use their rifles against us or we can make them build our country, it's your choice," 040516 ... 040810 ... :) Amen. 040810 ... An "amazing" newslink War_crime 040816 ... An "amazing" newslink * Dollars_and_cents * 040816 ... . *** * Pepsi_folklore - $s & cents *** Is Bush (War_president)'s pepsi_folklore a physical Bonus to United States or an emotional Baggage to Americans? Tell one that... ... . And_I_will_tell_you_how_wonder_you_are... 040723 040816 ... Yet What is the "M" Driver of "America's Persistency'in Vietnam War, as well as & a_wrong_War_in_21k in Iraq? The_Images_of_Americans:- Many Americans now believe that the United States is depleting its military strength, diplomatic leverage... few Americans are prepared to simply abandon Iraq. 040818 ... why not For one, they are rightly concerned that to do so would be a mortal blow to America's global credibility - the Most Powerful Country on Earth & its scent of "Aggressiveness"... Tell One ...And_I_will_tell_you_how_wonder_you_are... 040818 ... Yahoo! Search * a_point_in_time * Time to Quit Iraq (Sort Of) at The New York Times (reg. req'd) (Aug 18, 2004) http://www.nytimes.com/2004/08/18/opinion/18luttwak.html 040818 ... 20 August 2004 Kerry, Bush Escalate Battle Over Vietnam Ads 45 minutes ago 040820 ... . Kerry frequently cites his Vietnam record, which his supporters contrast with those of Bush, who spent the war in the United States serving in the Texas Air National Guard. The Kerry campaign alleged the Swift Boat group violated "the law with inaccurate ads that are illegally coordinated with the Bush - Cheney presidential campaign and Republican National Committee." 040820 ... a "point" Swift_boat_'veterans_for_truth' 040820 ... An "amazing" newslink How Many Deaths Will It Take? September 10, 2004 http://www.nytimes.com/2004/09/10/opinion/10herbert.html?hp How many thousands more will have to die before we acknowledge that President Bush's obsession with Iraq and Saddam Hussein has been a catastrophe for the United States? 040910 ... 10 Sep 2004 Former enemies say Iraq fuelling America's Vietnam War obsession 44 minutes ago 040910 ... . http://story.news.yahoo.com/news?tmpl=story&u=/afp/20040911/wl_afp/vietnam_us_vote_040911032538 "Americans, rich and powerful, have still not come to terms with their defeat at the hands of smaller, poorer people," said General Hoang Minh Thao, a respected historian of the Vietnamese army. 040910 ... The Graces from Heaven "The lessons of the (Vietnam) war still have historical, military and moral validity," 040910 ... An "amazing" newslink A_wrong_war_in_21k from March 2003 to 10 Sep 2004:- US Military Death_'Toll' - more_than_1000_'full_sized_commemorative_coffins'. and its Injury_'Toll' - at_least_7026_US_troops_have_been_wounded_in_Iraq 040910 ... 12 Sep 2004 Echoes of Vietnam in 'fly on the Humvee' Iraq war documentary 040912 ... . http://story.news.yahoo.com/news?tmpl=story&u=/afp/20040912/lf_afp/afplifestyle_canada_film_040912234424 "Gunner Palace," a documentary following a US infantry unit's year in occupied Baghdad, does not just refer to movies like "Platoon," "Apocalypse Now" and "Full Metal Jacket" with its thrashing helicopters and electric guitars. It reveals that the men fighting on after President George_W_Bush declared "Mission_Accomplished" partly rationalise their combat experience through their exposure to movies that defined Vietnam for subsequent generations. 040912 ... . http://www.gunnerpalace.com/images/gunner_palace.jpg 040912 ... 19 Sep 2004 Senators_urge_Bush_to_rethink_Iraq_policy 040920 ... 22 Sep 2004 Bush and Kerry Trade Iraq Insults in Ad War 47 minutes ago 040922 ... U.S. "In the face of the Iraq quagmire, "George_W_Bush"'s answer is to run a juvenile and tasteless attack ad," "One thousand U.S. casualties. Two Americans beheaded just this week. The Pentagon admits terrorists are pouring into Iraq," 040922 ... POT21k Yahoo! News Wed, Sep 22, 2004 http://story.news.yahoo.com/news?tmpl=story&u=/040922/photos_pl/mdf704550 Photos 040922 ... 23 Sep 2004. Bush in Wonderland During one of the recent political detours into the Vietnam War era, columnist Michael Kinsley made an astute observation about how Americans regard that conflict. http://www.courier-journal.com/cjextra/editorials/2004/09/23/opin-mid0923-2985.html 040923 ... a "Point" "that there are three groups: people who think the war was evil, those who think it was well-intentioned but a tragic mistake, and those who think the war could have been a good thing if the country had been fully behind it. Virtually no one, views the war positively as it actually played out." 040923 ... An "amazing" newslink Bush Vows to Stay the Course Amid Iraq Violence Thu Sep 23, 7:13 PM ET WASHINGTON (Reuters) - President Bush said on Thursday that he and Iraqi (interim) Prime Minister Iyad Allawi would "stay the course" in Iraq and insisted national elections will be held there in January despite a worsening insurgency But Defense Secretary Donald_Rumsfeld suggested that Iraq might be able to hold only limited elections, 040923 ... 24 Sep 2004 Rumsfeld: U.S. Troops Can Leave Before Iraq Peaceful Fri, 2:32 PM ET 040924 ... An "amazing" newslink http://news.yahoo.com/news?tmpl=story&u=/nm/20040924/ts_nm/iraq_usa_rumsfeld_dc_8 WASHINGTON (Reuters) - The United States does not have to wait until Iraq "is peaceful and perfect" before it begins to withdraw military troops from that troubled country, Defense Secretary Donald Rumsfeld said on Friday 040924 ... . "It's not my decision - it's the president's and the Iraqi governments," said Rumsfeld of any U.S. drawdown in troops from Iraq. 040924 ... An "amazing" newslink "Out of Iraq" The war in Iraq has become a costly trap from which the United States should extricate itself soon... http://www.nybooks.com/articles/17470 041001 ... 104 U.S. Faces Complex Insurgency in Iraq 34 minutes ago 041004 ... a "Point" http://story.news.yahoo.com/news?tmpl=story&cid=540&e=1&u=/ap/20041005/ap_on_re_mi_ea/iraq_complex_insurgency_3 BAGHDAD, Iraq - The U.S. military is fighting the most complex guerrilla war in its history, with 140,000 American soldiers trained for conventional warfare flailing against a thicket of insurgent groups with competing aims and no supreme leader. 041004 ... The Graces From Heaven The_war_on_Iraq_'far_graver_than_Vietnam' 041004 ... 105 Bumpy road ahead to peaceful Samarra - AFP via Yahoo! News (Oct 5, 2004) 041005 ... yahoo! Search US Captain David Bryant, a 2nd Brigade intelligence officer, estimating the active insurgency at five percent of Samarra's 250,000 people. "It seems prior to Saddam's capture we focused a lot more on the capture of former regime bigwigs in the Sunni triangle. We've found that other people have now emerged that are not associated with the Baathists. Whether they be religious or criminal or just angry their country is occupied. I'd say the Baathists have "faded" to the background." http://story.news.yahoo.com/news?tmpl=story&cid=1514&e=26&u=/afp/20041005/wl_mideast_afp/iraq_us_samarra_041005124526 041005 ... 15 Oct 2004 For candidates, Vietnam still lingers Choices Bush_w_Bush, Kerry_kerry made 35 years ago loom large in campaign http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/6258352/ 11:43 p.m. ET 041016 ... Karma * What's_Reality * United_States_Iraq's_samarra_ramadi_and_falluja ...118, 119, 1110,1111, 1112, 1113, 1114, 1115, 1116, 1117... 041114 ... Moment_of_truth * 1115, 2004 * Bush"s Aides "On_the_Run"... 041115 ... 1205 McCain says more forces may be needed in Iraq AFP via Yahoo! News (Dec 5, 2004) 041205 ... U.S. The Pentagon last week announced plans to restore US forces to their highest level since the invasion, but McCain ( Leading Republican Senator John McCain) said even 150,000 troops may not be enough to provide security for the first polls since Saddam_Hussein"'s ouster. Sun Dec 5,11:24 AM ET 041205 ... 1223 US strategy 'based in fantasyland' Thursday December 23, 2004 041224 ... Yahoo! Search http://www.guardian.co.uk/international/story/0,3604,1379093,00.html America's handling of the occupation of Iraq came in for scathing criticism yesterday, with government officials accused of living in a "fantasyland" and failing to learn from mistakes made in Vietnam. 041224 ... 1162005 Iraq is George Bush's Vietnam: US Senator Kennedy AFP via Yahoo! News (Jan 16, 2005) 050116 ... ... The harsh words refer to the US role and ultimate defeat in the 1964-1975 Vietnam war. Iraq is "clearly is George Bush's Vietnam," said Kennedy, speaking on CBS's "Face The Nation" program. 050116 ... 1252005 Confidence in Iraq's Future Slips 36 minutes ago 050126 ... ... "We can't pull out now, not after all those guys have died," said Janice Shinn, a Republican-leaning postal worker from Pedricktown, N.J. "But we have to see it through. We can't just leave like we did in Vietnam." 050126 ... 2 hours 8 minutes ago U.S. Hostage Pleads for Life in Iraq Video 050126 ... 1262005 Congress Shows Sadness, Division on Iraq 17 minutes ago 050126 ... Yahoo! News Two dozen House Democrats introduced a resolution urging Bush to withdraw troops immediately. 050126 ... 1272005 Democratic senator urges withdrawal of 12,000 US troops after Iraq vote AFP - 2 hours, 9 minutes ago 050127 ... 5 hours ago Even if Americans believe Iraq war was wrong withdrawal is ruled out 3182005 050318 ... * http://www.politicalgateway.com/news/read.html?id=3262 "It wasnt a good idea to go there, but it would be an even worse idea to leave," The_Mind_of_United_States * 050318 ... 6132005 ...Six_in_10_Americans_want_troops_to_leave_Iraq__ ... 050613 ... 3 hours ago 6132005: White_House dismisses setting Iraq withdrawal time 050613 ... Bush (War_president / commander_in_chief) Approval Rating Drops To New Low 050613 ... 53 minutes ago Iraq war cheerleaders seem to be vanishing 050613 ... 36 minutes ago 6262005 050626 ... What Rumsfeld said US Defence Secretary Donald_Rumsfeld has warned it may be years before the insurgency in Iraq is defeated. on US television ... 050626 ... 8 hours ago US mourns women killed in Iraq ambush 050626 ... 2 hours ago 6272005 050627 ... Iraq No end in sight to insurgency, admits US 050627 ... 1 hour ago General who led American forces in Vietnam dies at 91 7192005 050719 ... who William Westmoreland, the general who commanded US forces in Vietnam at the height of the conflict and became a hate figure for a generation of young Americans... 050719 ... . http://www.guardian.co.uk/usa/story/0,12271,1532142,00.html 050719 ... 39 minutes ago 892006 050809 ... 39 minutes ago 892005 050809 ... U.S. mulls increase in Iraq troop strength 050809 ... 8112005 54 minutes ago 050812 ... Bush (war_president): Leaving Iraq would send 'terrible signal' 050812 ... that ...the impression "the United States is weak.". 050812 ... 8172005 700 more US troops head for Iraq to guard prisons People's Daily Online, China - 2 hours ago 050817 ... 1 hour ago United_States: Nationwide vigils underway to protest war in Iraq 050817 ... 8222005 http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/americas/4175034.stm 050822 ... U.S. "We are locked into a bogged-down problem not unsimilar, dissimilar to where we were in Vietnam" Senator Chuck Hagel (R) 050822 ... 8232005 What's_next? 050823 ... 8302005 6 hours ago 050830 ... 67 : More Journalists Killed in Iraq War than in Vietnam War 050830 ... 114 2006 2 hours ag 060114 ... near ...Deaths of journalists in Iraq Vietnam toll... 060114 ... 1500 Hopes for Iraq Pullback Fading 060531 what's it to you? who go blather from