0123plus456plus78plus9equals666 Revelations 13:18 what_the_hands_of_man_hath_wrought 030811 ... amy don't get too hung up on the math!!! don't do it! too much damn coincidence. 030811 ... Dafremen Almost too much to BE coincidence. Add another number that someone just sent me, one that I have used as a password for years and that is(WAS now) a secret codeword between my wife and I and the coincidences get beyond coincidental. Welcome to the fun stuff that Einstein was talking about when he said: "Those who would set themselves up as judges in the fields of Truth and Knowledge are shipwrecked by the laughter of the gods." It's gonna be a great show. Bring a sack lunch. 030811 ... oldephebe nice quote daf, amy - really perceptive comment even though I do subscribe to the Christian cosmology of Armegeddon and all that, you know we have to be careful not to get swept up by the hype, I mean so many cults and corruptions of the Gospel have been used to manipulate and incense people into these mypopic fatalistic fanatics - All these extortions, and corruptions by the misguided and the manipulative - I'm mostly referring to charlatins in shiny suits selling their spiritual snakeskin oil over the radio and the powerful syndicates of Chritian Cable Television. Some Christians follow a simple faith, unadorned, a kind of easy flow egoless spirituality that resonates with the Western apprehension of Budhism - Daf I'm not attributing or insinuating any kind of machiavellian or nefarious ulterior motivations on your behalf- I believe that there are times when the unconscious mind is connected to the Source, whatever you wish to call it God, Allah, Creation, Celestial Oracle, some manifestations of genious, whatever - (a womans uterus is an almost infallible arbiter/oracle w/r/t her body mind soul and the forces that impact upon her..just a thought) And perhaps the gravitational pull of a full moon is ah somehow impacting your dreams who knows? I like what Silent bob said as well. Plutarch who probably influenced Shakespears 'A Midsummer Nights Dream' said a few things about the moon and her cyclical manipulations of the old psychic tethers that we humans are so susceptible to. Don't get played or swayed by the big and sparkly. We each must live our lives in bite sized peices each man according to his own conscience - yeah and getting distracted or spending inordinate reserves of being looking over our shoulders and wondering when the Big Bad is going down or feverishly and forensically searching for indices and manifestations of prophesy and signs, and creating a whole cult or life out of that is just crazy. Keep your mind straight, keep your heart true live life one day at a time and if and when the big bad does go down make sure your're on the right team and that means what ever it means to you. Find your own truth. Not trying to be absolutist or trying to prosyletize just felt pricked by amys' comment. For anyone interested in a down to earth and more lucid explanation of the Christain Cosmology - and no I don't mean the bellicose John the baptist wanna be's laying guilt trips on everyone without acknowledging thier own inherent corruption, and festering sin. Any way if anyones' interested go to lovinggrace.org for a down to earth and lucid look at Christianity - or don't, like I said you gotta find your own truth and the wheel will spin inexorably on and on. Oh! There is a passage in Midsummer Nights' Dream that borrows from Plutarch, it eloquently unfurls the manner in which Diana wreaks havoc with our souls. It is a stirring song of lament. Titiania begins by saying These are the forgeries of jealousy blah blah. Dreams those contagious fogs. Unfortunaely I don't recall the exact act scene and verse - I think its after she and Oberon are through - I don't wanna get all verbose and didactic so I'll just leave it at that. I forget which character referred to Dreams as a contagious fog but I think it's a pretty apt referance. 030811 ... ?! 030811 ... oldephebe the word is myopic - goldarnit! 030811 ... Dafremen My friend, this is the close to the culmination of a lifetime feeling these things. You wanna know what I've been feeling? Care to hear about my daughter's dreams too? Read dreams_of_the_false_prophet read taking_it_to_the_streets read appreciation. I've been waiting my whole life. This isn't some glittery sparkle...this is destiny kicking in right on time friend. Read what_the_hands_of_man_hath_wrought again....something else came to me there. I read these things jut like you do. I've never known them before they are written, never even pondered them, usually, before they arrive. 030811 ... oldephebe the glittery sparkle comment was not so much a negation or refutation of any authentic dream/intuition/sensory experience you had - I was talking more so about the range of extreme responses people have to articulations of Armegeddon visions or substantiations thereof - I thought I had made myself clear on that point - I don't doubt that you had the dream or that you may be connected to a higher psychic awareness - I have four sisters two of which have had many psychic experiences, or have had sometimes distressing communications on a higher perceptual level - one sister who has a strong mind excepts the things she has been shown or allowed to see - another sister sees her higher perceptual faculties as a curse and becomes extremely distressed as a result of those lucid dreams/visions/prophetic utterances. I do not have my sisters gifts - although I have had a few handfulls of experiences which could be interpreted as low-level psychic or higher perceptual experiences - perhaps because thier souls are purer, and thier hearts are truer -perhaps it is because some men refuse to see or acknowledge sensory/psychic phenomenon I've spent a lot of time around preachers - I've seen what goes on behind the curtain. Just men, some a little more than ecclesiastical used car salesmen - I've seen lives exploited by the apochryphal, by myths and corruptions of the sacred scriptures. I am not however attempting to negate what you state as an authentic revelation. I merely was cautioning against the range of extreme responses weak minded people could have to such an obviously powerful vision. later 030811 ... Dafremen We must find a path wide enough for them all phebe. It's that simple. Their REACTION, is what we're counting on. Just like those how currently exploit them. They don't need the shop manual to life...a user's manual will suffice, or better yet, just have your friends show you the rules. Thats how all the conditioning has been done so far. What makes us think that same tool can't be used in the name of liberating people instead of enslaving them? 030811 ... Dafremen P.S. Blather unicorns do not get upset or distraught about things people write. However we have been known to get snippy with the occasional vestal virgin that tries to follow up taking us to dinner and a movie by sticking our unicornian head in their lap. Hey, being horny is one thing, dehorned quite another. 030811 ... oldephebe good one heh heh 030812 ... niska meh... this is response to the first blathe, as that is why i clicked here. you can find coincidence in everything, if you decide to. 030813 what's it to you? who go blather from