deja_vu birdmad wait, isn't this already here? 011015 ... kelli crane this all seems so familiar. what's going on. 020115 ... baz theroy makes enough sense to rival most of my own on the subject of deja vu, i've experienced deja vu to a large extent, hours, days oftens entire weeks where every second feels relived, it's like i'm stuck in a re-run, like someones recorded this episode of my life and watched it again and again... it's alright if i'm doing something i know i;ve done before, but as soon as i go somewhere "new" meet someone "new" do something i "know" i have never now. that is when my dreaded deja vu hits, and lingers... i've become obessive about it, wanting to work it out so hearing another stoned theroy that made some sense was a treat i must say. 020901 ... Mahayana [having it like mad crazy today] 031030 ... divine madness philosophical dreams filled with desire and truth in knots; being unable to untie a mystery of faeries and other creatures that speak of what is to come, to me in the dead of night as I slumber under the moonlight 040127 ... damn "it's déja vu all over again..." 040705 ... dreamer didn't you just say that? 050407 ... camille .hamsters wheel ..rerun ...we've done all this before ....reoccuring chance to fix things 050407 ... andru235 some scientists allege that deja-vu is merely the result of one half of the brain getting a milli-second ahead of the other half. i can believe it, but... why has tens of millions of years worth of brain evolution not evolved this out of the brain? things that serve no function are rarely retained, genetic or not. anomaly? or mystical apparatus? if the 'spiritual world' took on a 'physical form', how would 'real' deja-vu manifest itself physically? 050902 ... pete why, then, do i tell my friends about a weird dream, just to have it happen at some indiscriminate time in the future... is one half of my brain really that far behind? 050902 ... stork daddy\ we only evolve when there's selective pressure to do so. if not being a split second off didn't make your genes getting selected any easier, there'd be no impetus for evolution. also something like brain function, which is relatively complex would probably not be one mutation away from not containing whatever causes deja vu. 050902 ... stork daddy for there to be evolution there must be selective pressure. so unless not having that half a second lapse actually improved ones chances at passing on genes, there'd be no real evolution. also brain function is relatively complex, so whatever causes deja vu probably isn't only one mutation away. 050902 ... stork daddy whoa...deja vu. 050902 ... hsg day zha who? 050902 ... andru235 personally i think there is something more to deja vu, but perhaps not what we think. i'm not of the mindset that so powerful a sensation is merely error. of course, it is always easy to proceed by negation, and deja vu could be reduced to mere asynchronicity of the hemispheres. negation, however, does nothing to explain why the sensation produced by this effect has so notable an effect upon sentience, unless one believes we are nothing more than chemicals. but chemicals cannot explain why you exist within yourself...why your sense of being inhabits your body...haven't i said this elsewhere, to the approval of no one? and of course, that is only one theory for deja vu... and also there is (seriously) "deja lu", which is the feeling of having *read* something before, says page 406 of the D section of the oxford english dictionary. but then, isn't reading a form of sight? so isn't that still deja vu? no? oui? 050902 ... stork daddy i don't necessarily agree that chemicals can't explain why we exist inside ourselves. they certainly explain various aspects of it. the most we can say is that we have yet to completely explain...but current reality and possibility are not the same thing. 050903 ... andru235 chemicals could build an automaton that looks and behaves just like you or me. but that does nothing to explain why we sentiently inhabit that automaton! 050903 ... stork daddy i don't think you understood what i'm saying. it hasn't yet satisfactorily explained it. it has explained parts of it. that doesn't mean it will never explain it. i'm somewhat agnostic on the issue. i mean we know certain chemicals influence happiness and sadness, and no one would argue that these emotions aren't part of consciousness. so chemicals can affect consciousness, or make up a part of it. we know without a brain there is no consciousness we can observe. so something is happening in the brain, which is a physical material object, that causes consciousness (as far as we can tell). so while of course a lot remains unknown, that does not mean it can't be known. 050903 ... andru235 i don't necessarily disagree with what you are saying...but the fact that consciousness cannot be observed outside the brain doesn't guarantee that (or something like) it isn't there. especially since we look for something we 'recognize'. i have continued this at: consciousness_without_a_brain (i flipped a coin, and today's result is: etiquette=yes. since this isn't about deja_vu anymore...tomorrow i'll flip again.) 050904 ... perfectly_chaotic I have died one thousand deaths. Even more powerful is that means I must have lived one thousand lives. One thousand births. Countless memories, each one like a lost grain of sand entangled in a desperate search for the ocean's surface. Yet, were one ever to find it, the ocean's surface would surely swallow again as it always does. 110501 ... Death of a Rose very well said. . 110502 ... perfectly_chaotic So I recently heard a story which I could have sworn I have heard before, it as like deja_vu.... Already viewed.... Yet, there were different characters and a different plot, but the story was still the same old story I have been hearing my whole life. For some reason, I decided to listen though I had thought I had heard it many times over. There was a dog who sat on a nail sticking out of a floor board, but did not get up right away. Instead it cried and howled all night long and the neighbor's asked the owner why it did so, but the owner did not know why. The next day, the dog still did not get up and squirmed around a bit which drove the nail in deeper. The dog cried and howled even louder than the previous night and again the neighbor's asked why the dog was crying; the owner still did not know why it did so. This went on for a few more nights until finally the dog was in so much pain that it stopped squirming and got off the nail. After being relieved of the pain that dog never sat on that nail again... Then I listened to the story again. There was once a man who owned a mule. Whenever the owner wanted this man to come home from wandering in the forest it would play music because this particular mule got very excited and run towards the sound. One day a stranger approached the man as he was sitting byu his stables. The stranger wanted to buy a mule and said it would make his travels easier, so the owner played some music so he might show it to him. After the music began, the mule quickly turned around and ran head-first into a tree and was dazed until the end of that track. When the next track began, the mule again got excited and ran into a tree only to become dazed until the next track. When it finally got out of the woods it heard the music coming from the barn and instead of running into the door it ran head-first into the wall. The stranger said he didn't want to buy the creature and asked "What is wrong with the mule?" To this the man replied, "Oh, that mule. He just don't give a shit. I knew you weren't gonna buy it." Damn. My head hurts. Maybe I ought to stop listening? 110710 what's it to you? who go blather from