move_to_canada . "...The first thing people said to me when I went to walk my dog in the park this morning was: 'We're moving to Canada.' People are very disillusioned, and Canada is looking pretty good right now..." http://www.canada.com/news/national/story.html?id=1b022644-e8f8-44c9-8cae-c90678858708 041104 ... from the above newslink "...The growing ideological gap between the neighbouring nations was perhaps best illustrated during Tuesday's election by the unanimous rejection of same-sex marriage in 11 state referendums. By way of comparison, Canadian gays and lesbians have acquired the legal right to marry in six provinces and the federal government supports extending that benefit nationwide..." 041104 ... paul martin "...The fact is we are a country of immigrants and we're prepared to receive immigrants from anywhere..." 041104 ... . Disaffected Americans look north to 'better government' By MARINA JIMÉNEZ With a report from Jeff Gray Thursday, November 4, 2004 - Page A4 Some Americans are willing to do anything to avoid another four years of George W. Bush -- even move to Canada. Joe Auerbach is so disappointed with Mr. Bush's election victory that he is planning to give up a job as a systems analyst and leave his comfortable life in Columbus, Ohio, to move to a country with "a better government and more reasonable people." "Today, once the Bush victory was clear, my e-mail was burning up with people vowing to leave the U.S. for Canada," said Mr. Auerbach, 27. "I don't want to be living in the U.S. when China decides we are a threat and when George Bush starts drafting computer engineers into the army. I'm morally opposed to the Bush administration." He and several other disenchanted Americans are contacting immigration lawyers north of the border to see whether they qualify to immigrate to Canada. It is too soon to say whether this is political hot air or the start of a new trend in immigration. But among some middle-class, liberal Americans, there is a growing sense of political disengagement as they realize the majority of their fellow citizens support the conservative agenda of Mr. Bush, who received 51 per cent of the popular vote, winning more votes than any other president in U.S. history. "Mr. Auerbach is one of many middle-class Americans who have a philosophical difference with the direction the U.S. is taking," said Sergio Karas, a Toronto immigration lawyer. "I have received several inquiries from people like him who want to move here." Jacqueline Bart, a Toronto immigration lawyer, said she recently attended a conference in New York and more than a dozen U.S. lawyers asked her about sending their children to study in Canada. "There is a sense of hesitation about the direction Bush is taking the country in," she said. Clyde Williamson, a libertarian from Ohio, feels the Bush administration is too conservative on social-justice issues such as gay rights, abortion and the medicinal use of marijuana. He is also opposed to the U.S.-led war in Iraq. "I don't think the U.S. is going to turn into Nazi Germany or anything. But it is going to become a much more conservative country," said the 29-year-old computer-security engineer. Others feel Mr. Bush's unilateralist foreign policy is more troubling even than his social conservatism. A former U.S. diplomat who has already applied for permanent-resident status said yesterday that Mr. Bush's election victory has accelerated his determination to relocate permanently to Vancouver. "I'm watching this administration preside over the virtual destruction of relations with the Muslim world -- and, I fear, end up strengthening the forces of terrorism as a result," he said. "The values of Canada are what I thought the values of the U.S. used to be: personal freedoms, a sense of need for a global community and consensus. The U.S. is losing its way." A Toronto lawyer representing three U.S. soldiers who have fled to Canada to avoid fighting in Iraq said Mr. Bush's re-election means more U.S. deserters are likely to seek refugee status north of the border. Jeffry House, a Vietnam-era draft-dodger who is steering the refugee claims of the three young men, says he has received about 80 e-mails from other U.S. soldiers stationed around the world, inquiring about escaping to Canada to avoid serving in Iraq. At least five U.S. soldiers are believed to have fled to Canada. Maria Iadinardi, spokeswoman for Citizenship and Immigration Canada, said it is too soon to say whether there has been a spike in the number of Americans being granted permanent residency, noting the number has fluctuated in recent years from a low of 4,437 in 1998 to a high of 5,604 in 2001. So far this year, 5,353 Americans have become permanent residents. http://www.theglobeandmail.com/servlet/ArticleNews/TPStory/LAC/20041104/REFUGE04/TPNational/Canada 041104 ... dratkuf October 14, 2004 –Vancouver Sun Fewer Canadians moving south Ottawa – The number of Canadians emigrating to the United States fell by more than 40 per cent between 2002 and 2003, according to the latest U.S. government figures - a drop attributed to tougher screening of immigrant applications by U.S. authorities in the post- 9/11 era. http://www.canadaimmigrants.com/news.asp ----------------------------------- Don't forget... intelligent people check facts! 041105 ... p2 what the hell are you talking about? canadian *emmigrants* are moving from canada to the us these people are talking about moving from the us to canada intelligent people check the topic 041105 ... dratkuf (turns red!) Gee, uh. Oops?! 041105 ... Tostada al Sadr i guess that leaves you out then, dratty. 041105 ... from now on http://advocate.com/html/stories/926/926_randall_shirley.asp 041105 ... minnesota_chris the trouble is, America is still the most powerful country, and Bush is still in charge of it. The foreign newspapers are just as concerned about the future of America as Americans. But they don't get to vote of course. 041106 ... sameolme If you don't move, your taxes support genocide. This regime makes me ashamed to live here. 041106 ... ani difranco ...i'll take al my friends, and move to canada and die of old age 041106 ... tyler waters I must say, as a Canadian citizen, I welcome you all to my country. Just a few things you should know, When in Rome, do as the Romans. Be nice, and please, leave the redknecks. 041108 ... p2 why abandon our country? why give it up to the neo-cons? if those who disagree with dubya move_to_canada there will never be change stay stay and vote in every election not just the presidential one we need to change things from the inside 59.5 million americans voted for bush 56 million did not perhaps the solution is for 4 million canadians to move here 041109 ... canuck girl eh oh no way jose, we couldn't afford to be losin that many citizens but, you could try brainwashing 5 million busheads into voting for hilary... there must be some democrats in the cia who could help with that 041109 ... from now on "change things from the inside" 041109 ... p2 <-- not a hillary fan 041109 ... magicforest to be honest, I'm not sure if I want the Americans here, they might re-elect the tories 041109 ... p2 tories blue_and_red 041109 ... from now on -- not a hillary fan either 041109 what's it to you? who go blather from