religion_vs_science 442005 How Pope_John_Paul_II bridged the science gap "Religion is not founded on science, nor is science an extension of religion. Each should possess its own principles, its pattern of procedures, its diversities of interpretation and its own conclusions." http://216.109.117.135/search/cache?p=How+John+Paul+II+bridged+the+science+gap&ei=UTF-8&fl=0&u=msnbc.msn.com/id/3217961&w=john+paul+ii+bridged+science+gap&d=EF3AA2B74D&icp=1&.intl=us | 8:15 p.m. ET 050408 ... Pope Does the Believe in Evolution? 050408 ... e.g. Big_bang 050408 ... delial science_vs_romance 050408 ... The Heretic SCIENCE IS A RELIGION. 050408 ... 123 Why_did_the_chicken_cross_the_road? 050408 ... EINSTEIN Did the "chicken" really cross the "road", or did the "road" move beneath the "chicken"? 050408 ... Chicken where = Religion, and 050408 ... Road = Science... 050408 ... Egg * M_Physics_21 * Given = Science... 050408 ... a "M Test CHICKEN = ? 050408 ... delial well, my heart's runnin' 'round like a CHICKEN with its head cut off... 050408 ... dafremen Wow, I had no idea he said anything so ridiculous. There is no distance between science and religion that couldn't be bridged with a little less blind skepticism on one side and a little less clinging to dogma on the other. 050409 ... andru235 i agree with dafremen and the heretic sometimes similar things are clothed in very, very different garments 050419 ... . Disagree with both dafreman and the heretic. Religion and science are not directly comparable. Science is not about belief or disbelief in a super human controling power, but is aboout gaining greater knowledge of all that surrounds humans and human experience through systemised observation, experiment and induction. It cannot be a religion. Science by definition involves scepticism of the faith based elements of religion but does not exclude the possibility of super human control beyond current knowledge. There are many deeply religious scientists. I am tempted to say that religion has little substance beyond faith and dogma, and hence the tension with science. So there, I just said it. 050420 ... z but they are both epistemological systems which precede formally from a set of assumptions. they both claim to define the nature of reality based on first principles and the inferences we can take from them. both systems require peer review of new observations or ideas. they both tend toward heirarchical organization and the centralized alocation of resources. though they may disagree on details, their similarities are striking. 050420 ... duh procede not precede 050420 ... abstracted they're both beautiful 050420 ... dafremen Science is a religion which is based on absolute faith in the assumption that all cause and effect relationships in the universe fall within the scope of of the five senses or can be brought to bear upon those senses. This is not true. Science and religions have much more in common when it comes to their treatment of "God" than any would care to admit. Putting God off in some "non-existant realm" called superstition, or in some "who knows when it will come" paradise/nirvana. Both science and many religions choose to deal with God as though God weren't around to hear their judgement of their own Creator. They distance us from God. They push us to believe that our lives are somehow better when God is either a pure pipedream or so far off in some other realm as to practically be one. No doubt God would smile at our silliness. God isn't coming tomorrow. God isn't coming a thousand years from now. God is never coming! Because God is already here right now and always has been. In every twitch of your toe, every smile from every face in the world. When the crickets sing and the twilight breaks into the most gorgeous night your eyes have every reflected, God is there, with you. Looking through your eyes, feeling through your heart, appreciating through you appreciation all that God is and will become. You can believe in God, or you choose not to believe in God, but God isn't going away because you say God isn't there. In fact...and this, well this IS silliness, and no doubt you will tell me so, but God...God knows the one secret that you or I are going to continue to have a hard time wrapping our heads around: The first invention of a superstitious mind is us...our egos...because there is only God. No science, no religion, no you, no me, only God..and who wants to wrap their head around that? We've gotten perfectly used to the insane story they've been feeding us since birth, and that was hard enough to swallow. ("Pieces of paper are more important than people?" "You have to know when to lie to get along in the world?" "Nice guys finish last?" "You can't fight city hall?" "Better him than me?" "REALLY?! Well ok, if that's the way things work.") Science and religion both fail us for choosing the corruptible wills of men over the incorruptible Will of God. 050425 ... andru235 ... and so codified a portrait of god where god is subject to the trivial banalities of a disgruntled man: wrath, jealousy, petty rules, finite existence ... ... certainly Goddess/God does giggle at us! 050425 ... The Heretic I DO NOT KNOW THIS THING YOU REFERENCE. 050425 ... andru235 meanwhile, science goes on a relentless hunt for fundamental theories of everything, proclaiming every new frontier to be on the verge of a cohesive universal equation. there is only infinity in either direction and the search will continue forever, but from time to time the present theory or equation will seem to fit until a frontier/exception is presented, and the scientist will scramble to redefine the theory of everything with the fervor of a religious zealot trying to explain away contradictions in the holy book 050425 ... - - 080625 ... unhinged both contain answers the other seeks complimentary but not really enough separately alone one more time in case you didn't hear me: the universe in a single atom: the convergence of science and spirituality by h.h. the dalai_lama 080625 ... - - 090407 ... Lemon_Soda Science answers Yes or No. Religion answers Maybe. 090408 ... jane science answers maybe sometimes too. it's just backed up with the scientific method, while religion is backed by faith. 090408 ... Monk ZPF... 120422 what's it to you? who go blather from