the_ultimate_bliss ubliss The Ultimate Bliss... An Illusion or Real? A Fiction or Fact? 010114 ... ubliss A state when I_AM_EVERYTHING? A state when I_AM_NOTHING? A state of Supreme Enlightenment? A state of Impossibility? The ultimate Purpose of LIFE?... 010114 ... kim the very first moment with that person when you feel trapped like a school girl against the wall and he gives you that first kiss the moments when you're never doubtful about that guy who blinds you to everything else and everyone else in this world you don't care about anything except this moment and you're addicted to this always searching for the one person who will continue to make you feel like this the ultimate blisss 010114 ... ubliss The state of Peace of MIND? The state of Nivana? The state of Eternal? 010115 ... ubliss 'The state of Nivana?' should be read as The state of Nirvana? The state of Climax? 010115 ... florescent light The state of Birth? The state of Death? 010316 ... kx21 The state of absolute selflessness... 010317 ... kx21 The state of birthlessness... 010317 ... kx21 The state of self-realization... 010317 ... kx21 The state of Ultimate Freedom ... 010317 ... kx21 The state of Ultimate Peace... 010317 ... florescent light the state of self contentment 010317 ... mikey the moment you realize youve found true love. getting a raise. the birth of a child. winning the lottery. 010317 ... screwing for virginity the moment that you realise that you are nothing, therefor everything. 021010 ... bandersnatch "The exercise for centering oneself is a simple one. Stop thinking of what you intend to do. Top thinking of what you have just done. Then, stop thinking that you have stopped thinking of those things." Robin Hobb 021010 ... ferret don't i wish i could just shut down my conscious mind and subvert into the sub-conscious? then i would have ultimate control of all that went through my head. 030517 ... bored housewife ignorance = bliss 040823 ... :) Ignorance's Heart_and_Mind of "Selflessness" Amen. 040823 ... Elmo Death, That moment where this life ends, The suffering, The pain, The feeling of helplessness. That one moment where everything that's wrong ceases to matter, And I cease to exist. 040823 ... %3C%2Fa%3E . 040823 ... Given Death = Bliss? Absolutely_NOT GIGO... 040823 ... And What is the appropriate_relationship / corelation of Human at Birth & that at Death (e.g. Elmo, bored housewife, kx21, etc.)? Tell one that... ...I_will_tell_you_how_wonder_you_are... 040823 ... why not *** * The Test of "Bliss" *** Human: Bush (War_president) vs. Human: Saddam_Hussein Who is further away from the "Bliss"? Bush... 040823 ... Elmo What i'm trying to say is that bliss cannot be found while alive, there will always be something to taint it, such is the nature of the world and the people who live in it. Death puts a stop to all the good things, but all the bad things too. Hence, ultimate bliss. See what i mean? 040824 ... kx21 Oops... to explore further:- Given 1) Elmo at Birth 2) Elmo at Death Is 1) = 2)? Why & why_not? 040824 ... Lila Pause No, because bliss cannot exist in the absence of "bad things". As they say, you need light and dark to create shade. Bliss is the state after the seesaw hits the dirt and rises up again. But you need that negative momentum provided by the opposite side (e.g the person on the other side of the seesaw...or to get philosphical "evil") to bring about the collision which will force the seesaw upwards once more. P.S: I hate physics. 040824 ... kx21 Oops... That "bliss" cannot be found after "dead", and it can "only" be found while "alive"... 040824 ... kx21 Tell One how to "make" or ensure the "Bliss" at Birth is "more" than that before "Brain_Death" with Zero_margin_of_error... And_I_will_tell_you_how_wonder_you_are... 040824 ... :) The_NO_evil_Rule... Amen. 040824 ... Lila Pause Don't you like my seesaw analogy? 040824 ... kx21 Feasible direction & solution in Human_Spaces on Earth across_the_universe of "Bliss":- More "permeative" Space for "Light" / Good_deed & less "permissive"_environment for for "Dark" / Evil_deed... 040824 ... Lila Pause I'm a lot more resigned than you are. I imagine good and evil to exist in fixed ratios where the total sum never really increases or decreases. But the sum of them together = some form of balance and the tension between the two is what gives us misery and bliss. 040824 ... kx21 Oops... * Parallel_sayings * More "permeative" Space for "Bliss" less "permissive"_environment for for "misery"... Is that the Final_answer? 040824 ... Given That "Bliss" and "Misery" are just the "states" of Heart_and_Mind... 040824 ... and The physical body is nothing more than a collection of "dead" matter. 040824 ... kx21 iLink- The_body_is_always_'dead' 040824 ... Lila Pause Is misery necessarily the_enemy? 040824 ... a "point" The_Duality 040824 ... Lila Pause Whether or not you call them, "good or evil" or "bliss or misery" You must have two opposing states. In keeping with the north and the south pole, electrons and protons...etc. Kx21, do you wish to defy the laws of physics!? 040824 ... Lila Pause the_way_to_eradicate_all__sin__and__evil_ ???? 040824 ... Elmo I stand by what i have said. True, ultimate bliss can never be achieved while there are bad things around. How can one concentrate on all the good that is happening, to your fullest, whilst being distracted from them by 'evil' or 'misery' or whatever you wish to call it? Negatives if you will. Basically all i'm saying is that the closest any of us will ever come to true bliss is when we die, and neither the good, nor the bad, affect us at all. THAT is bliss. 040824 ... Elmo What i am saying is pretty much what ubliss is saying, just in plainer, less ambiguous terms. 040824 ... a "point" Zero Knots... 040824 ... kx21 To_be_precise, The Spin of Zero Knots 040824 ... - The_way_to_eradicate_all_'sin'_and_'evil' 040824 ... Lila Pause But your concept of bliss, as you've come to know it, has been formed while living, based on the conditions of what it means to be be living in this world today. If you were able to use the same measure of bliss when you were dead, it wouldn't be death, you would still be of this world, or at least have ties to this world, which would also mean that death could not be the "absence of everything" which would ensure bliss in the first place. 040824 ... why not Bliss can "spin" around_and_across the KNOTs... ? 040824 ... Lila Pause zero_knots hit it. 040824 ... Elmo My version of bliss would be to feel nothing, to know nothing, to be nothing. To not exist. That way i would feel no 'misery.' The fact that i would feel no 'joy' would be inconsequential. To feel nothing, that is what i wish for. Too much of life (so far) has been nought but misery. That is the closest i can concieve to 'the_ultimate_bliss.' Works for me! 040824 ... Elmo I don't believe bliss can be achieved through any kind of material means. If i bought everything i could think of that i wanted, all that would leave me with is more greed. Either that or i would then become desolate due to knowing that there would be nothing else i wanted to achieve with my life. The closest i think that anyone can come to true bliss while alive, is love. True love. That feeling that being away from someone for more than 20 seconds will cause your chest to implode with emptiness. That feeling of being totally, completely, and absolutley comfortable with someone, knowing them back to front and knowing that they know you the same. That is the closest i think it is possible to come to bliss in this reality. But still, the thing that marrs that bliss is the fear. Fear that it's all a lie. Fear that one day it will cease to be. Fear that one day you will be alone. However much you hate to admit it, it is as much a part of being in love as love itself. That's what stops love from being true bliss. 040824 ... a "point" Money_Money_Money 040824 ... somepeoplesmile peace. all i want... *sigh* is peace. 040825 ... divine madness the solitude, with books an island of isolation .. peutetre avec un amour.. 040928 what's it to you? who go blather from