chaos_theory User24 I tiniest change in starting conditions can affect the end result in massive ways. see also; mandlebrot. 030621 ... jane eventually patterns will emerge 030622 ... User24 of course 030622 ... stork daddy are you sure? i've been waiting a long time and i've yet to see it. 030622 ... User24 fractal.chaosmagic.com the patterns of life 030622 ... x when i was in the 7th grade, a speaker on chaos theory came to my humanities class. most of what he said went thoroughly over my head. i definitely wasn't as "gifted" as they thought i was. 030622 ... stork daddy you had a friggin humanities class? lucky bum...where did you go to school? saklan? 030622 ... User24 www.project2501.plus.com mirror of fractal site, with no adverts.. I will be updating it more, too.. 030622 ... x san diego. the best week i had, was when the teachers went on strike. we had a substitute, and i took it upon myself to tell her that as geniuses, we were allowed to guide our own studies. that week most of us studied painting, and how to get off campus without being noticed. my inspiration was a particular episode of beavis and butthead. oh yeah. 030911 ... pandoras box of insects so, don't we know this? 040301 ... girl_jane "Creativity comes out of chaos." Peter Beiger-one of my theatre directors. 040301 ... smurfus rex don't you think "chaos" and "pattern" are two mutually-exclusive concepts? 040301 ... jane absolutely not 040301 ... smurfus rex but "pattern" seems to me to be another word for "order", which I have usually taken to be the opposite of "chaos". is this where paradox comes into play? 040302 ... u24 I think that 'order' implies intention, whereas pattern is simply the result of order. you can see patterns in the clouds, but there is no order. 040302 ... u24 And chaos is not neccessarily the opposite of order, merely the lack of it. There's no reason that a randomly shuffled pack of cards won't end up in perfect suit order, it's just not intentional. 040302 ... zeke this seems like a semantic issue to me. our perceptual abilities are a process of organizing the stimulus that our senses provide. this organization is imposed by the structures of our cognition as we perceive. thus nothing is without order. pattern recognition seems to be an extension of this. the interesting thing is when we are able to recognize overall patternation in a concatenation too complex to understand in terms of it's discrete parts. i think this might be when the concept of patterned chaos comes into play. we sense it in a gestalt mode and describe it heuristically. 040303 ... pessimist I post these words on blather the singnal gets sent through the wire a short circut occurs somewhere along the line causing a massive fire in the grasslands right next to an active nuclear missle silo the heat gets to the silo's computers causing a pre-mature launch of a dud into the ocean somewhere off the coast of Russia Russia launches it missles at us radar of other countries catch these missles they launch thier missles at each other hitting a passing by flying suacer the saucer returns home the aliens fire at us whom get fired upon because we are a protected species leading to all-out inter-galatic war........ 040313 ... u24 zeke, yes, very much agree, we look at leaves and guess what a forest looks like. the real question is, if you'd never seen a forest, do you think your guesses would be accurate? 040315 ... u24 lol pessimist @ we are a protected species. sounds like terry pratchet or douglas adams (more the latter) 040315 ... oldephebe okay so i've got my philatetic forceps and am now ready to dive into the ol' phenomenological thicket... 040315 ... oldephebe heh heh..not really, just wanted an excuse to us the word philatetic 040315 ... kx21 Europe 911... 040316 ... ... Who's next? 040316 ... zeke 24: i might not conceive of a forest. if i had not seen a large stand of trees to project onto it is conceivable that i might have no reason to think forest. if i was a denizen of the veldt or the Sahara and my social group had no contact with another environment, why would i think up a forest? then again why would i not? actually i think i would. it might be a sort of ideal condition based on the positive aspects of shade trees in the environments i referenced above. i think i would be able to imagine a lot of trees near to one another, but might not be able to extrapolate the difference in the ecology that would characterize the group of trees as a forest. i like your idea. 040316 ... u24 I really don't think I would; how could I think of a trunk, and bark, just by looking at a leaf? likewise, how can I guess the structure of the universe by looking at anything in the microcosm that is earth? 040317 ... u24 the amazing smallness of our solar system is quite a hard thing to understand, Imagine that there is an ant crawling up your arm; how could the ant guess that you have a heart, or what you are thinking? 040317 ... kx21 Oops... via Intelligence_Estimate? 040317 ... marked . 040707 ... They call me Truth im interested in this subject 070728 ... They call me Truth minor inaccuracies in measurement (inaccuracies that cannot be avoided)over a long period of time causes chaos, erratic, random, disorder which does not follow determinism philosophy. this erratic order eventually follows a pattern. in that sense chaos is operating on both order and disorder. in fact the disorder is creating the order. on the other hand, this is a theory and like all other theories its relevance and accurateness in being studied. 070728 ... karma around_and_across each "butterfly"... 070728 what's it to you? who go blather from