j_blue insanely inhumane and unacceptable

should a fraction of the population be denied an adequate livelihood?

in fact this denial is mandated
cube Did i read that right? Poverty is mandated? By whom?
j_blue the only way someone can be wealthy, someone else must be poor

in a system where our goal is to become wealthy, there will be those who achieve it, thus there will be those who are poor

yes, our perception of poverty will always be a relative one, and it could be argued that the trickle down effect (or whatever its called) would raise the standard of living of even the most impoverished; various attributes of the social nitch occupied by the poor will remain constant

again, in a society that contains wealthy individuals, there must always be poor individuals, always

why would we choose to allow individuals to be poor?

perhaps this is required, to motivate individuals away from slothfulness; but then poverty would not be an inherited condition

in america, it is quickly becoming one again; and it has been one in various versions of capitalism

these are my own personal theories, based on what i have seen, so dont give me much credence

i just think the world would be a better place if there werent so many hard asses
hy maybe that's what's doing it.
staring it in the face,
knowing it will still be a while,
can really sap your will.

normally i just skirt the edges
but god damn does ramen turn your stomach after not too long.

at least my elbow is intact,
my precious vitae unmolested.
i just have the honor of
submitting my will 8 hours a day
to "support" myself.
mon i've never been poor 040226
misstree it's an interesting brand of desperation. it smacks me around in its own special way. 040227
anomalous i am rich 050512
. : bondage : 050512
nom) www.makepovertyhistory.org 050923
unhinged ' a real paradigm_shift would begin with the recognition that poverty is a necessary feature of capitalism, and that capitalism can't be separated from oppression based on race, class, ability, gender, and sexuality. in our analysis of child maltreatment, we would recognize that poverty causes most cases of child maltreatment, either because of lack of income and resources, or because of the stress of poverty and reduced availability of options in dealing with family issues like substance abuse, family violence, and psychiatric diagnoses. we would recognize further that the poor are at risk of state intervention because they are already subject to monitoring and intrusion by multiple systems that operate exclusively or more intensively in poor, nonwhite neighborhoods. we would recognize that bias operates at all times in how we perceive poor families, particularly those headed by single black parents, and in how they are dealt with when they come into contact with that state.' - don lash 170523
Yuni Capitalism would be tolerable with a base amount of socialism. Quality food, shelter, education, transportation, healthcare provided universally. I'd be fine with people competing for things beyond that. But these things should be non-negotiable in a moral society. 170523
unhinged i think that's called democratic socialism...you know, the stuff the Democratic party rigged the primaries against 170523
unhinged (and im not sure where you live, but i don't live in a moral country) 170523
Yuni I live in the same immoral country you do.

While I would consider myself panarchist/anarchist, I would be quite happy with a democratic socialist model (with universal access extended to all the basic needs of human beings) and with more direct democracy. That would be the minimal most moral state we could have. Anything short is inhumane.
Yuni oh and I forgot universal clothing, especially in places where it gets significantly chilly. 170524
what's it to you?
who go