difference_between_porn_and_nudie_art sabbie what is the difference? what makes one image art and another pornography? is it erect willies? spread leg action? is it that models in porn look at the camera, and therefore the audience so much more than in art? porn, after all, is directed soley at the viewer where as art can have many directions. somebody explain it to me!! 011222 ... cube Good Q sabbie. Pornography (Websters) 1 : the depiction of erotic behavior (as in pictures or writing) intended to cause sexual excitement 2 : the depiction of acts in a sensational manner so as to arouse a quick intense emotional reaction *the pornography of violence* I believe the key to your question is provided in definition 1 - "to cause sexual excitement". Each individual has a different point at which the primitive brain kicks into sexual activity. It must be this 'excitement threshold' which causes the confusion. Poll an individual to determine that threshold and you'll have a fair idea of their sexual history. Good for party games or your (next) doctorate thesis ... 011222 ... sabbie ok, i take your point cube, but what what about this - i went to a photography exhibition of portrature and there was this one amazing photograph of a gorgous, gorgous goth girl and i felt weak at the knees over it. was that porn? what about b&w nude photography? i guess you're saying the threshold is different to different people (ned_flanders opinion vs. betty_page)so where do most people draw the line? 011222 ... (naughty) cube Assuming by 'weak at the knees' you mean sexually aroused, then yes - for you the Goth Girl portrait would be classified as porn (erotic). I know a girl in an art high school to whom B&W nudes are a fascinating study of line, form, and shadow. She claims not to be sexually aroused by them and i believe her. To give you my opinion of where the line should be drawn, defining porn from art, would be invalid. It would only tell you what arouses me currently. I can tell you this though - i'm way beyond the Goth Girl portrait ... 011223 ... syringe There are some artists who successfully blur the line between porn and art, creating breath-taking photographs, with pleasing composition and light contrast, yet involving hard core subject matter. The result is not only sexually arousing, but asthetically arousing as well. Case in point: http://nipplesnspice.com/ The artist in me found this site amazingly well done. The animal in me got excited too. Most hard core porn is "ugly." This site proves it doesn't have to be. 011223 ... f-yah i luv hot bichez!!! 060130 ... jane " Another unary photograph is the pornographic photograph (I am not saying the erotic photograph: the erotic is a pornographic that has been disturbed, fissured). Nothing more homogeneous than a pornographic photograph. It is always a naive photograph, without intention and without calculation. Like a shop window which shows only one illuminated piece of jewelry, it is completely constituted by the presentation of only one thing: sex: no secondary, untimely object ever manages to half conceal, delay, or distract... A proof a contrario: Mapplethorpe shifts his close-ups of genitalia from the pornographic to the erotic by photographing the fabric of underwear at very close range: the photograph is no longer unary, since I am interested in the texture of the material. " " The presence (the dynamics) of this blind field is, I believe, what distinguishes the erotic photograph from the pornographic photograph. Pornography ordinarily represents the sexual organs, making them into a motionless object (a fetish), flattered like an idol that does not leave its niche; for me, there is no punctum in the pornographic image; at most it amuses me (and even then, boredom follows quickly). The erotic photograph, on the contrary (and this is its very condition), does not make the sexual organs into a central object; it may very well not show them at all; it takes the spectator outside its frame, and it is there that I animate this photograph and that it animates me. " --Roland Barthes Camera Lucida 060130 ... HAH there's a lady who works in my building and her last name is nudi 080501 what's it to you? who go blather from