endless_loop
kingsuperspecial first_go_here 011014
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nemo Private Sub Form_Load()
Dim twitch As Integer, caly As Integer
Dim fish As String
twitch = 23

Do While twitch = caly
twitch = twitch * 2 + 1
caly = twich * 2 + 1
fish = twitch + caly & " ... "
Loop
lblout.Caption = fish
End Sub 		011103
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freakizh one form of the infinite. 020526
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randomly recent i could click those links for hours.

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p2 ???
caly wasn't even initialized
the loop was never entered
that should be under
beginningless_loop 		040108
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u24 don't know the language, but surely as caly and twitch are defined "As Integer" at the start, the while loop would start whileing? but as I said, I don't know the language (what is that, c?) so I very possibly am wrong. 040108
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u24 oops! no, I see.. twitch=23 whereas caly is still just an unassigned int. gotcha. 040108
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p2 vb or vbscript
noted by the damned dims
and the lack of ";"

but even if caly was initialized to 23
at the end of the first iteration
twitch = 47
and caly = 95
and the loop would end
(assuming twich is supposed to be twitch) 		040108
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zeke tautology 040108
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u24 why would caly be 95? surely as

caly=twi(t)ch*2+1

and

twitch=twitch*2+1

then by the end of the first iteration;

caly=twitch

nay?

and maybe, it -would- enter the loop, if the '=' in:

Do While twitch = caly

is assigning values, rather than comparing.

if it -was- assigning, then twitch and caly would always =null.

meh. ok, I'm over that now. 		050128
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p2 not quite

assuming that caly was magically initialized to 23
let's go into the loop line by line

line 5: twitch = caly -> (23 = 23) -> true
line 6: twitch = twitch * 2 + 1 -> 23 * 2 + 1 -> 47
line 7: caly = twitch * 2 + 1 -> 47 * 2 + 1 -> 95
line 8: irrelevant
line 9: loop
line 5: titch = caly -> (47 = 95) -> false
line 10: irrelevant but outside the loop 		050128
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p2 oh yeah

and in vb (& vbscript)
'=' is the appropriate comparator
so it's not an assignment 		050128
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u24 oh yeah. (duh!) hehe :-) 050128
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u24 let's make it right:

while(true); 		050128
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p2 heh, i'm lazier than you

while(1); 		050128
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u24 assuming C:

int main()
{
while(1);
}

wouldn't:

int main()
{
main();
}

be even lazier? 		060501
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z this sentence is untrue. 060501
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u24 z; along those lines, from the Cambridge Dictionary of Philosophy:

suppose we are told there is an Oxford barber who shaves all Oxford men who do not shave themselves. Using this description, we can apparently derive the contradiction that the both shaves and does not shave himself.

the article goes on to suggest that the paradox can be resolved either by asserting that such a barber cannot exist, or that the barber must be female.

also, paraphrased:

Suppose a teacher tells her students on Friday that she will give a quiz one day next week, but that the quiz will be a suprise, in that the students will not know the night before that the next day they will have to take the quiz.

The students reason that the teacher cannot wait until the next friday to set the test, because if there has been no test until that day, they will know that the test will be Friday, and hence the quiz will not be a suprise.

That only leaves Monday to Thursday, but then by Wednesday evening, they would know that the quiz must on Thursday. The same logic can be applied to every day bar Monday, and hence the only day the quiz could be given would be Monday. Of course, this being the case, the fact that the quiz will be on Monday means it is no longer a suprise, and hence cannot be given at all.



Highly recommends the aforementioned book. 		060501
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walrie oh oh, as to the surprise quiz.
you reason that you can't have a surprise quiz by the above method and then since you aren't expecting a quiz, you can be surprised.
i definitely just learned this in my philosophy class. 		060502
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u24 hey, that's pretty good. I'm impressed.

you do philosophy? cool. 		060503
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misstree i don't want to admit what i feel
because it scares me to think that
if you found out what i felt, you'd leave
but it scares me the same way to think
that if you don't know what i feel,
you'll leave, so i find that
i don't want to admit what i feel
because it scares me

especially when i think that
you might just be okay
with not just how i feel
but how i am
because, obviously,
i'm not quite okay with myself
yet 		080929
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Lemon_Soda I'll be cool with you as you are till you can take it on yourself.

Heck, I'll be cool with you how you are after, too. 		080929
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zeke see: recursive 080929
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