phantom_words_and_other_curiosities m21k * a_Point_in_Time * DNA Codes Inspire 'Genomic Music' http://dsc.discovery.com/news/briefs/20030804/dnamusic.html Aug. 6, 2003 — A Thai geneticist, a computer programmer and a music composer together have created a CD of music based on DNA sequencing. Deutsch ( professor of psychology at the University of California, San Diego) likened the genomic music more to the abstract algorithms used in several 20th century music compositions, where a mathematical pattern is altered in various ways to create music. 040905 ... jpg CD, entitled "Genomic Music":- On this album are songs created using the genetic sequences for jasmine rice, an orchid, a cat, a dog, a shrimp, human hemoglobin, a human neurotransmitter, E. coli bacteria and the hepatitis virus B. DNA Music Album Cover http://dsc.discovery.com/news/briefs/20030804/gallery/dnamusic_zoom.jpg 040905 ... mp21k New CD by UCSD psychologist explores phantom words, memory for musical tones, & other sound 18-Jul-2003 http://www.eurekalert.org/pub_releases/2003-07/uoc--ncb071403.php The brain is constantly striving to find meaning in things, even in situations where there is no meaning. This attempt to find meaning can often lead to what music perception pioneer Diana Deutsch calls 'illusions in the brain.' Just as one might imagine seeing, for example, the outline of a woman's face in a gnarled tree trunk, in its grasp for meaning, the brain often produces auditory illusions that lead us to hear phantom words. 040905 ... . Phantom Words, and Other Curiosities presents a series of striking auditory illusions and curiosities of sound perception that Diana Deutsch has discovered. Much of this CD is devoted to exploring paradoxical relationships between speech and music. In one demonstration, a spoken phrase is repeated several times over. At some point, instead of appearing to be spoken, the words appear to be sung. Another set of tracks demonstrates a striking dissociation between musical tones and spoken words in memory. http://philomel.com/ 040905 ... TK Sometimes you behave so strangely. I love this! It’s all so fascinating! I never realized till now just how beautiful jasmine rice is! Thank you for sharing this XK! 040905 ... XK Dear_kx21 040905 ... kx21 iLink: xk 040906 ... a "point" Doctor_Fiorella_Terenzi 040907 ... . Developed techniques to convert radio waves from galaxies into sound:- The Symphony or Music from the Galaxies or Universe... 040907 ... XK iLink:- s__p___a_____m__'n_o'__e____v___i__l 040909 ... 1227 thekx21banclub * a_point_in_time * 041227 ... 1570 What's_next? 050428 ... Lets Split Hairs "The brain is constantly striving to find meaning in things, even in situations where there is no meaning." Who can say whether there is or is not meaning in [whatever]? I could devise something for you to perceive, and deliberately attempt to strip it of meaning, but there is no way to know if there is, or is not, inherent meaning. 060120 ... z meaning is a human construct. we invent it in every moment. 060120 ... Lets Split Hairs Humans construct meanings, sure. But is there grander meaning in stuff? Does various junk have inherent meaning, beyond the meanings given by people? Who knows? We can never be sure. 060120 ... z surety is a human construct. 060121 ... Lets Split Hairs Is it? Could humans have perhaps acquired the idea of surety from something else? Is the possibility that other entities are aware of a concept akin or parallel to "surety" a possibility which ought be ignored? Surely I agree that humans construct meanings for stuff. But to say that all meaning is merely a human construct seems as absurd as saying that humans are incapable of constructing meaning. We simply don't know much about the ramification of "meaning" on a macro- or micro- -cosmic/planar/whatever scale ... do we? 060121 ... z do you have empirical evidence of any externally sourced meaning or surety? is there an example of meaning which springs forth from the world, is bourne on the wind or is found amongst fossils? just because something can be conceived does not make it true. 060121 ... Questions Questions. Do you have empirical evidence which prohibits any externally sourced meaning or surety? Is there a set of evidences which indicates that meaning must inherently spring forth from humans, or from biological devices of some nature? Just because something cannot be conceived does not make it untrue. 060121 ... z Do you have empirical evidence which prohibits any externally sourced meaning or surety? one can not prove a negative. Is there a set of evidences which indicates that meaning must inherently spring forth from humans, or from biological devices of some nature? no. necessary connection has not been established (nor will it ever, i suspect). Just because something cannot be conceived does not make it untrue. something which cannot be conceived also cannot be vetted for truth. 060122 ... z science assumes that the least untestable explanation is true until there is reason to believe otherwise. 060122 ... z truth is a decision. 060122 ... z i wrote: (meaning is a tendency, a reflexive culling of observation, a filtering of nuance and complexity that achieves nothing but the edifice of the familliar) 041025 (meaning is a distraction, a loss of connection to observation, an insidious replacement of memory. it is a meme thing, a compression of the real into the symbolic. it is symbols_out_of_control) 041101 from: utterly meaningless 060122 ... that should be utterly_meaningless 060122 ... Lets Split Hairs I'm just wondering if you can envision any scenarios in which that would be a foolish - or perhaps even dangerous -assumption for science to make. 060123 ... z if a vengeful god existed and was disposed towards acts of retribution it might be dangerous to believe in the scientific method. or a fundamentalist theocracy with similar tendencies. 060123 ... z if the explainatin was founded on logical falacy and testing it involved unstable or otherwise dangerous experimentation. 060123 ... that should be explanation 060123 ... Samuel Beckett "The danger is in the neatness of identification." 060124 what's it to you? who go blather from