a_whole_slew_of_cains dafremen Lia and I accidentally stumbled over the idea that the story of Cain and Abel is the story of how agrarian culture killed off the "living-off-of-the-land" hunter-gatherer existence while we were discussing another Biblical possibility: That the only reason Eve is made the villain in the story of the loss of the Garden of Eden is because she represented cultivation and stationary agriculture. The poor girls were just trying to assure that everyone had reliable food in case the hunting wasn't so good. The lazybones animal in some of the guys told them that sitting around waiting for yams and cassava roots to grow near a nice safe village was a much better way to avoid hunger, exhaustion, infections and death than chasing down pigs and water buffalo. So they sat their lazy asses down to plant crops and eventually we lost the hunter gatherer skills that, according to anthropologist James Suzman's book Work: A Deep History, from the Stone Age to the Age of Robots, was practically, an egalitarian Garden of Eden where hardly any work is done. In fact, after 20 years of living with hunter gatherer tribes, he's discovered that even with the hardships of living in the most marginalized desolate areas on the planet, most hunter gatherers only work on average 15 hours a week. But of course, their dumb asses didn't realize that until it was too late, and when they did, they decided to blame it on the girls for cultivating yams or whatever. Dickhead move, guys. 221214 ... ^^ EDIT: "..eventually we lost the hunter gatherer skills that, according to anthropologist James Suzman's book Work: A Deep History, from the Stone Age to the Age of Robots, made life an egalitarian Garden of Eden where hardly any work is done." 221214 ... dafremen So many advantages to sitting in the village while the rest of the men are out hunting.. Get closer to the girls, put your ideas in the minds of the male children (what with being the only male in the area), have a steady supply of ease, food and allies while the rest are bearing the material brunt of your society's survival. This is a good gig..if you're a conscientious-less parasite. To this day the M.O. hasn't change much. Welcome to the shady backstabbing origins of the investor/inheritor 'class'. 221215 what's it to you? who go blather from