then_the_piper_will_lead_us_to_reason . and_a_new_day_will_dawn 040121 ... pipers nuts, does this mean i don't get to blow dese here pipes? 040121 ... minnesota_chris piper is busy leading us all towards silliness I think 040121 ... no reason is that where the key is? 040121 ... pipers silliness is steeped in reason, if you listen hard to the tune of the song 040121 ... hyenah how do you figure? 040122 ... pipers because you end up *some*where....chaos is just running around in circles, but anarchy has structure. 040122 ... misstree pardon me if i butt in... as far as i know, here's the terms we're working with: silliness = nonsensical humor. (nonsense = lack of reason) chaos = lack of pattern or order, flux over time. (anything, including reason, can spawn from it, though.) anarchy = social state where each person is responsible solely for themselves. no other rules are established, and if this fact changes, it's not anarchy. so, essplain again how a) silliness leads to reason? b) chaos goes around in circles (which would be repeated patterns, symmetrical even), and c) there is any sort of structure to anarchy. 040122 ... misstree i could be wrong on any part of this, but this is what's written on my mental map; feel free to point out differences, but por favor essplain them. 040122 ... pipers picky picky *grin* weeeellll...lets see. anarchy to me has been a chaos situation, but with a structure somewhere, so if reason can spawn from chaos, and i contend that nonsense is actually a subset of anarchy, then i think that's all right, because even nonsense is an absence of sense, which is being not-nonsensical. you can't have one without the other, and since they are both concepts that cannot be chaos. there. very twisty tangle web of pontification-like, but i think i got it. heh. 040123 what's it to you? who go blather from