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amyloviolet capostrophe it means giving up supremacy. and it means giving gains that come from being born this way or waking up this way to the people to whom the American Dream was stolen in its very infrastructure. i believe that and I believe that we're the (one of the) only ones who would like to reckon it ( and very must Cathoholically, perhaps, reckon with it ) i mean that's a good thing.

it's not never-the-twain shall meet. being screwed for the moment is how idealism is maintained and eventually achieves what should be.

click click click it's artificial intelligence! (no it's not)

yeah so any further thoughts any past and future thoughts at all. click click click pop! submit! this oh so very misogynistic and liberal horror story not-a-democray is fine. my iphone music library is fine! i don't want to know your damned - what's it called? - i actually had to google "how do you buy music?" to get the name - Spotify. sorry. you are all kings combined. don't worry.

end ramble.
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unhinged anarchists are socialists
But
socialists are not anarchists


society needs rules. just because the rich break the rules doesn't mean we need to

the_high_road
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epitome of incomprehensibility I really like this concept. It's not only a useful way of explaining how people can be disadvantaged or privileged in different ways, but its spirit is very "cooperation, not competition".

I just don't like the fact that it's such a mouthful. I feel that the idea gets lost a bit when it's packaged in an unwieldy six-syllable word that reeks of academia. It's against the sharing-caring spirit of the thing! But I don't know any other word that means exactly this.
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unhinged it's bougie. in an age where knowledge and learning are vilified, it becomes noise at best. like the teacher on the charlie brown tv specials...Bah bah bah bah baaah baah. people tune out as soon as it sounds like it belongs in a condescending lecture.


the buddha put it more succinctly: everyone suffers. in the twenty first century, we could use that concept to guide a society that helps everyone mitigate their suffering as much as possible. or we can breed fear and hate and live in a society that uses the suffering of the many to enrich the few and then come up with bougie academic terms to make it seem that we are including everyone while we are busy dividing each other up so the few can stay the conquerors.


for years, i read books upon books upon articles about buddhism. i kept coming across articles from teachers saying we can read all we want but we will never know the essence of the words until we practice.

the time for words is done. all this talk about who is more privledged or oppressed than who isn't doing a damn thing. it's time to act.
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amy purplely apostrophes so. i don't disagree with you unh because of the state we're in, but i don't entirely agree with you, either, about the use of the concept of intersectionality. i had to look up bougie-- i think the more intersectionality you identify with the less bougie because the middle class and upper middle class and upper classes are more basic than you are and are likely to use their wealth and influence to discriminate against complexity through fear, ignorance, and advertising. Just so all the dumb money will in quantity keep flowing their way.

say from a bird's eye view you've got 5 lines, streets, meeting each other and those are 5 identities, from the cultures point of view, that are adequate pointers to yourself. then your real wholism, gestalt, personhood whatever is at theintersection and you've got to find a way to be that, both from your point of view and the disembodied culture's. we don't invent culture born into nature and this time on earth and all. yet, we're also told we're all individuals, special, snowflaky, and part of a democracy where each vote counts. the disembodiment that is a risk, forced by the culture, fully undemocratic and realpolitik, has the upside of pumping up intelligence by employing our brains (not enslaving because we get to self-employ (???)) to conceptualize roles and societies and, what i said up there, ideals. if you can finagle those identities into something good, beneficial to others, interesting, and functional, have you not achieved something to write home about as a human being? i guess that assumes certain goals and not just universal rights.

well Friedman and Kissinger = proud of what i just wrote. also anthropology and adaptibility deal that i'm trying to suss which might only be a banal paleolithic neolithic dilemma.

i'm not disagreeing with you but i'm saying to concept has some value and most importantly is not computer generated because computers don't have reflexivity, lives, development, reproduction, death, anthropology, biological memory and a choosy conscious subject to who-knows-what. also they don't get to be originators by asserting that simply asserting themselves any more than any of us are made of mud become human. right? bueller? just kidding.

i'm agreeing that it's not necessarily right (and shit and a half it's not looking too right now) but i'm disagreeing that it might be good. aside: please, whoever, don't remind me that i haven't gotten around to Kant yet. i know this. i'm not sure i care....... also Civilization and its Discontents which is a bit like the bring-up-Hitler and you lose argument. it's ok to bring up Hitler but you know Freud was just a really smart guy, making sweeping accusatory generalizing claims. so don't bring up Freud.

i guess the intellectual question is why are we in the state we're in and how should we be behaving in this state which i'm 100% positive yr on top of like crazy. but most importantly that it's a state and not a conceptualization. which i dare say might be the world state and might be approximately, depressingly, Reagan-to-present neoliberalism. i'm not sure Bangladeshis don't deserve to lift themselves out of poverty and i'm not sure it shouldn't be at our expense. "neoliberalism" is used as a slur by many leftists (many whom i respect, or think i do), but i don't think i've ever known life without it. my dad, afterall, works for a big airline, and i've been fed and flown to college and all on his passes and work work work. i'm not being wooed into Trump mostly because he's a conman and can't be trusted and i don't want one big military zone on the planet not that i have any guns to bring down instinctively the IQ of the voters with the power. time to leave if he's in charge is my opinion.

also my apologies for being too crazy and totally disruptive up there, trying to reckon Stephen "black-hole" Hawking who seems like a paradox to me, but who is white male hetero and extremely disabled. seems like somebody you shouldn't have to believe with physics-y absolutism from my point of view, but you know there's mathematics too which i only knock when being cognitively dissonant jerk.

sorry for the response. i should meditate, but can only managed walking in circles cooped up where i am. i hope you are doing well. sorry for being crazy in december. i always am but i've got hope now in a new med. maybe next year it won't happen. maybe i'll live into the future. maybe my life is still hanging in the balance! (i don't think so anymore) (maybe you weren't pissed at me at all - i can't entirely tell.)

i had a dream my family had a grocery store in Seattle a couple nights ago. it was a very complicated dream. in real life, we got a new kitty and that was the first night with her (???)
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unhinged i live in a liberal city where the police killed a black man in the street in my neighborhood where the supposedly liberal bougie ass white people in my neighborhood flooded social media about how they were glad cause the guy was a drug felon.

making new terms and concepts for allowing the horrible side of human nature to dominate is of no interest to me. i will just call these hypocrites out and demand better out of people. we are all human so we can all treat each other as such. people that can't do that don't give a shit about terms and concepts. if we are about real change not just platitudes and crumbs it's time for the intelligent people to get off their asses and DOING SHIT TO MAKE THE WORLD BETTER


im tired of all the all talk no balls just take whatever they give you meek hypocrites that only care about themselves. im tired of everyone bitching and complaining and judging and measuring and no one actually doing shit to make this world better.

We don't need fancy academic terms for empathy. just put yourself in the other person's shoes. period. pull your head out of your fucking smartphones ass and pay attention. do something nice for a stranger. pick up some litter. walk to the store.


im done studying. im ready for doing.
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unhinged i grew up in a blue collar family, part of the first generation to go to college (my grandpa was a farmer and hunter until he became a firefighter). i grew up in the shadow of poverty being told constantly that you have to work hard and can't expect something for nothing. ive worked hard and still ended up with nothing. i will not do better than my father. i find neoliberalism to be a disease on the social and psychological health of humanity. i do not think that is an exaggeration. i think we can do better. much better. i think we have to do better.


no worries about december. im obviously a little unbalanced myself right now
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unhinged it's not surprising the neonazis and ku klux klan had weapons

they were beating people with pipes


counter protestor at your in risk
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unhinged i have watched some interviews by people i really admire where they discuss this concept so i feel like a twat on this page now

but

i come to despise identity politics more everyday. we all have our own unique experience of suffering that is shaped on many interdependent factors.

we all need to acknowledge each other

we all need to act to see the world we want
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e_o_i Yes. "We all have our own unique experience of suffering that is shaped on many interdependent factors." And those as intersections, not locked rooms.

I think it's important to hear where someone is coming from, and how they might have more or less social privilege (which is not their fault or virtue) but not assuming that their lives are good or bad just based on that, as you said. Because there are multiple intersections.

Now I'm thinking about making a joke about traffic lights. Tiredness looks boring on me tonight.
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unhinged as a buddhist, the current academic preoccupation with this concept is

WELL DUH


the idea of interdependence has existed in the buddhist world, in relation to the reality of suffering, for thousands of years. the fact that white privileged people are just catching on to this is laughable to me.



in other words
just another way the liberal class is
bougie as hell
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kerry wound up here by passing Go however many times (did not collect $200) and just have to echo you, unhinged, but in my own word:

ugh
and i would've said it in 2018 too
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unhinged :)

if anything, covid has pushed me farther down this path. electoral politics is all talk. i spent the pandemic reading zinn and goldman and berkman and kropotkin. time to start doing.
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kerry we are on the same (red) page!
love zinn too
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e_o_i It's odd: David's impression of how people used this word was the opposite of mine. He'd seen it used like you're saying - like a competition, a so-called oppression olympics. And I was saying, no, I'd seen it used kind of the opposite way, where a problem one person has is employed to understand another person's problem.

He said it should be like that, but is it?

And I was trying to think of the critic who talked about this, and now I have it here, from the 1st chapter of Multidirectional Memory by Michael Rothberg:

"What happens when different histories confront each other in the public sphere? Does the remembrance of one history erase others from view?"

and

"Against the framework that understands collective memory as competitive memory - as a zero-sum struggle over scarce resources - I suggest that we consider memory as multidirectional: as subject to ongoing negotiation, cross-referencing, and borrowing; as productive and not privative."

So he never says "intersectional" but it's something like this. I think it's the productive kind, not the limiting kind.

Still. In-ter-sec-tion-a-li-ty, that's 7 friggin syllables, and I'm lazy.

Also, I'm not saying I'm not educated, but y'all are impressing me with your reading prowess. I don't read enough. To reverse Salinger's joke, I'm literate but I don't read.
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unhinged maybe the identity politics in Canada aren't so stark or craven

diversity of elitist bureaucrats and corporate oligarch ass kissing politicians doesn't seem to be doing ANYTHING to help the 99% here in america. even the supposedly justice oriented former bar tenders are in effect upholding the status quo.

so i want an off the grid regenerative farm
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