andru235_you_are_avoiding_the_truth_of_binarity andru235 no, i never denied the truth of binarity, i have merely suggested that there are other existences in existence (a necessary redundancy). why this scandalizes you, i cannot begin to guess. if the example of proton-neutron-electron does not help you to see trinarity, let us examine time, which can also help us to see quintility (and for the thinker, beyond that all the way to...!) past, present, future. i'm sure you want to argue that. "they are really just one thing, in different phases." HAH! one is not binarily, unless one is a quasibinarmonotist. one is ... one. it is not two, nor is it zero. toggling between one and zero creates two values, even if one value is valueless. "well, some mathemeticians would say that-" and others would disagree. haven't you watched them do this enough? "oh yeah?!? are you saying 2+2=5?" there is a long proof for 2+2=5, or one can simply call 2 instead by 2x and 5 by 5x; if x=0 then 2x+2x=5x. "that's cheating." well, only sort of. does 2x+2x not =5x if x = 0? yes; it also =6x, and 7x, and 8x, and -2539x. "you still haven't explained tri-whatever-ism and time." i did indeed; and in doing so i helped you to don a new lens which you then proceeded to deny you were wearing. how human. humans can be so cute; i like to snuggle with them sometimes. but back to time (or forward?) if past, present, and future, are all really one thing, then we are safe to simply substitute 'at-a-time-in-my-life' for all time descriptions: ///yesterday i went running and today my legs were sore; tomorrow i'll stretch more beforehand/// becomes ///'at-a-time-in-my-life' i went running and 'at-a-time-in-my-life' my legs were sore; 'at-a-time-in-my-life' i'll stretch more beforehand/// hmmm. not quite the same. i'm sensing a necessary triality. 050418 ... unhinged . i_miss_you dru 140810 what's it to you? who go blather from