frame_of_reference Quintessensual Yes, there is a lot to be said de facto for the "frame of reference" factor. In one frame of reference I win the argument hands down. In another, my argument is nonsense and you win hands up. There are culturally defined frames of reference, obviously. But even the "science - art" dichotomy. Is this all a dream? If it is, when do we get into the non-dream reference frame? Or, rather, what do the arguments look like there? Oh, my gosh, don't get me going, please! I need some rest, as I need to work tomorrow. 010109 ... kx21 Science / Object: frame_of_reference, Content / Event: CONTEXT, Fiction / War : PLOT, Organistion/ Business: VISION, Religion / Philosophy : BELIEF, ... 010110 ... miniver But, I was just thinking, if I jack up on definitionism, it's probably just going to lead back to Derrida, and deconstructionism, and many sighs. And people have already been there before me, great and brilliant people, and they not even particularly decidedly. Plus, I'd probably never compromise on the terms of argument. Because I'd be 'right' about those too. Terms for terms for terms. It is sad, really. I need help. I am not an asker-type-personality. 010111 ... god creatures 011030 ... paste! obviously donny you have none 011031 ... Kate "I think you had better come into my frame of reference now," Dr. Hume to his assistant, comparing accelerating frame of references to intertial frame of references in Mr. Heckathorn's favourite honors physics laserdisc. 021218 what's it to you? who go blather from