resisters monee oh yeah, we got 'em draft dodgers they are everywhere 041212 ... crOwl interesting. how do you know them? 041212 ... guitar_freak and I can't do this anymore. talking to you is so painful yet heartwarming. I miss your voice, I miss your hugs, I miss your smile, laugh, tears, and complaints. I miss the joy you brought to my life. I miss our endless talks, our common desires, our fears and aspirations. More than anything, I miss having my best friend at my side. I could tell you anything and you would always be there to support be. I miss your stupid jokes and how you made me laugh. When you call, I cry because the pain is so intense. The love I feel for you will never die. I'm sure the pain will subside, but right now there is nothing that stops the dreams at night, the thoughts during the day. Everything reminds me of you and I feel heartsick. 041212 ... mon uow In Canada, Flashback to the '70s The Iraq war revives long-suppressed ethical questions among many Vietnam-era 'expats' who fled the U.S. and still live up north. "Native Americans fled here in the 19th century; then came Christians exiled from Russia in the early 20th century and Quakers in the 1950s. Some of the Americans have been here so long that they are considered old-timers" March 24, 2005 latimes.com 050324 ... mon uow Canadian immigration board denies refugee status to U.S. Army paratrooper "...Prime Minister Pierre Trudeau declared his homeland ''a refuge from militarism'' during the Vietnam War and allowed the 30,000 to 50,000 American draft dodgers to settle here... Hinzman argued before the board in December that he would have had to take part in war crimes if he went to Iraq, saying the war there is illegal. He said he would be persecuted if forced to return to the United States...as many as 100 American war resisters are hiding in Canada, waiting to see how Hinzman's case is played out before coming forward..." boston.com 3/24/2005 050324 ... from the latimes.com article "...They knew one another as "expats" but were not interested in delving far into personal histories. They spoke as small-town neighbors, as ruralites, as Canadians. But the conflict in Iraq tapped a common vein. Their "old country" was at war again, and the arguments over America's actions, to them, paralleled the debates over Vietnam. Their stories as war resisters became relevant again. Casual encounters in the street became intense reminiscences. Phone numbers and e-mail addresses were exchanged. Some expatriates began meeting regularly. ...the same thing was happening in other parts of the country. The Iraq war was having a uniting, galvanizing effect. War resisters throughout Canada seemed to be networking as never before, rising up to oppose a different war, distant and yet strangely familiar to them..." 050324 ... and "...In Toronto, expatriates started an organization to help gain refugee status for U.S. soldiers opposed to the Iraq war. In Vancouver, filmmakers began documenting the lives of Vietnam draft dodgers and military deserters who settled in the area..." 050324 ... everywhere thats what i said "Nobody knows how many war resisters still live in the region, but most agree there's a high concentration here. They seem to be everywhere." 050324 ... anomalous my grandpa was a conscientious objector in WWII 050504 ... ConscientiousObjectors in Canada: 1939-1945 http://www.alternativeservice.ca/ 050504 ... flux "all agents sell out. all resisters defect." 050505 ... skyburst777 "Another U.S. War Resister Flees to Canada To Avoid Fighting in Iraq Via The New 'Underground Railroad' Earlier this week Ryan Johnson and his wife crossed into Canada to escape serving in the military. Over the past month they have traveled across the United States and then into Canada with help from a new underground railroad that has formed to help war resisters...A growing number of US soldiers are crossing the border into Canada to seek asylum. Some say this is the first echo of the tens of thousands of war resisters who went north more than 30 years ago to escape the Vietnam War..." http://www.pacifica.org 050611 ... skyburst777 "Welcoming U.S. War Resisters to Canada... Joshua Key is one of at least 150 soldiers who have deserted from the U.S. military and come to Canada (the total is about 6,000). A father of four children, Key served for eight months in Iraq’s “Sunni triangle” with the 43rd Combat Engineer company. He decided the war was unjustified, and is now speaking out against the war and about the legal situation for resisters to stay in Canada as refugees... If Key returns to the U.S., he would face a court martial and face about five years in prison, although theoretically the war-time punishment for desertion is death." newsocialist.org 050611 ... skyburst777 "A second young American soldier seeking political asylum in Canada told immigration officials on Thursday that he would go to prison for his refusal to serve in Iraq if forced to return to the United States. US Army Pvt. Brandon Hughey, 20, told the Immigration and Refugee Board that he refused "to kill people or lose my life under false pretenses." Hughey said he believed the war in Iraq was illegal and his conscience obliged him to desert his Ft. Hood, Texas army base last year. He said when he joined the military at 17 he was looking for a way to put himself through college and respected the military. "I believe some things are worth fighting for, like defending my home and my family," Hughey told the board. "I had no moral objection to fighting back then. In some circumstances, war can be justified." He believed US President George W. Bush had proof that there were weapons of mass destruction in Iraq, so he initially supported the war. But he later determined he didn't want to fight a country that was not posing a direct threat to the United States "and people who were in no way threatening to me."" Jun. 2, 2005 23:27 jerusalem post jpost.com 050611 ... nomme) Conscientious Objectors U.S. War Resisters In Canada "...Dozens of AWOL GIs are rumored to be laying low in several Canadian cities, even as some of their fellow soldiers are going to jail rather than to Iraq (www.SoldierSayNo.org). According to the Pentagon, nearly 6,000 U.S. soldiers are currently listed as deserters, having been AWOL for at least 30 days..." http://zmagsite.zmag.org/Images/condon0705.html 050710 ... qt at quintessensual dot org Hail the resisters! Q 050710 ... cocoon resisters in series ohms law etc 050711 ... Q otherwise known as QT or qt at quintessensual dot org 050728 ... Q or q or qt at quintessendual dor org or Reposte 050728 ... nom a_simple_curve 060205 what's it to you? who go blather from