dies_irae_veniendum_est Question man But it's not coming soon enough... 070810 ... Avoid Bitter Sentiments! You don't want that day to come. De gustibus non est disputandum, I know, but I still doubt you want that day to come. 070811 ... ? My question: Why do you want that day to come more swiftly?!? 070811 ... unhinged dies_irae 070811 ... deus ex machina It's Latin, but it's bad grammar. It's supposed to mean "the day of wrath is about to come", but there are several problems with it. First of all, 'veniendum' is the future PASSIVE participle, but since 'venire', 'to come' is an intransitive, it doesn't make a lot of sense as a passive, certainly not in this case. Second, 'dies' (day) is masculine, but 'veniendum', which is supposed to modify it, is neuter. What they should have said is 'venturus', the MASCULINE form of the future ACTIVE participle. (i.e. 'dies irae venturus est'), or they should have just forgotten about the participle and said 'dies irae venit', 'the day of wrath is coming'. 070811 ... DannyH It's about time we had a decent Latin scholar on the team. 070811 what's it to you? who go blather from