sleep_training past this whole heartbreaking exercise is more about the parents than the babies. 220309 ... Bizzar i had very similar feelings about sleep training. i tried it with my first child and it didn't work for us, so with our second i skipped it and slept with her until she was old enough to feel safe on her own. don't be too hard on yourself if it doesn't work for you. 3 220310 ... past merci. it worked best, so far, for our second. the baby is passionate and already seemingly the most extraverted, loving people around. day 3 now. 220310 ... epitome of incomprehensibility By this do you mean setting down the baby in a crib, lights off, for specific hours even if they don't sleep all the time? or more about leaving them alone at night? The latter was what my cousin said to do with the puppy (Shiloh) if he woke up to whine at night, but he didn't do that for long. I sung him to sleep three times the first night. Now he's quiet, mostly, though Dad still gets him up to pee at 3 and 6 AM. For babies, diapers mean that's not so much an issue, but I imagine infant humans are demanding in more complex ways! The former is what I'm trying to do to myself, since next week's schedule will be easier to handle if I get up early enough to attend my 8:45-10:00 AM class in person (it's streamed over Zoom and it's the easiest one, so I've been too lazy so far to go there in person, since my commute to Concordia takes an hour). So far this term I've been getting to sleep at anywhere from 1-3 AM. Last evening I had a sleep deficit and was yawning through the Syntax chapter of Indo-European - and I *like* syntax, dammit - so I thought, "OK, schedule-changing opportunity! I'll go to sleep at 10." That ended up being 11. I woke up for about an hour in the early morning, so I slept in until quarter to 9. (Insert sigh containing velar fricative.) Another wrinkle is Daylight Savings, starting today-tomorrow, which means I lose an hour. So it's sort of 11:25 instead of 10:25 here - already past my bedtime. 220312 ... past sort of both? it's about developing a routine that signals "bedtime" and using it for naps and over night. transitioning (for us) from cosleeping to the crib, and only using verbal and simple touch comforting until baby figures out how to fall asleep, because it is not in fact a natural instinct but learned behaviour. around 4-6 months brains rewire so babies come to almost waking. if the environment they wake in is different than how they went to sleep, then they fully wake. so it becomes important they go to sleep and learn to soothe. days 1-3 involved a lot (but increasingly less) crying. days 4-6 so far have been 2 minutes fuss then 3-6 hours uninterrupted sleep, thank goodness. 220313 ... e_o_i That sounds exhausting! I hope you were able to get some rest. Yeah, I heard sleeping all through the night isn't a universal. Obviously, people tend to get tired when it's dark out, but it was common for early humans to wake up at night (apparently). I usually do so briefly once or twice and don't mind it, but I imagine for a someone who's new at being a person it can be confusing. And frustrating for the parents! As for me, I forgot to set my alarm and slept 12-8, so I had to watch the morning class online. But on Wednesday I HAVE to be downtown shortly after Phonetics, so a 6:45 AM alarm it is. (And people vary in the amount of sleep they need. 8 per every 24 hours is only the rough average. 7 is good for me, but I know someone who gets by fine with 5 - a bit of an outlier, but not unheard-of.) 220314 ... past it's one of my theories_of_relativities: existing in a state of disrupted sleep is less exhausting then moving from solid sleep to disrupted sleep. basically you can adapt to what you're used to, but it's the change that's hard. 220314 ... past (but yes i am a more sleep more better person, but over 8h can start tipping into too much) 220314 what's it to you? who go blather from