political_split
kx21 Red vs. Blue 040425
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... Bush - "democratic" Iraq via US &

US led Coalition Troops

vs.

Kerry - "stable" Iraq via UN /

NATO led Peacekeeping Forces...
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somebody US:- "limited sovereignty" &

US "Puppet Government"

vs.

UN:- "full sovereignty" &

Iraq "Self-rule Caretaker_government"
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Smurf Obviously there arn't many Bush supporters on this website 040425
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... Oops...

They are too busy to put off Bush's Fires...

No Time to Blather?
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* UK- Diplomats vs. Blair
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Diplomats slam Blair on Mid-East


The diplomats tell Mr Blair he must start to influence President Bush

More than 50 former British diplomats have signed a letter to Tony Blair criticising his Middle East policy.

http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/uk_news/politics/3660529.stm
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* Powell vs. Pundits
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Powell Says Never Considered Resigning Over Iraq

3 minutes ago

Pundits have questioned whether Powell should have stepped down after a new book by journalist Bob Woodward depicted him as raising questions about the difficulty of occupying Iraq.

http://story.news.yahoo.com/news?tmpl=story&u=/nm/20040427/ts_nm/iraq_bush_powell_dc&cid=564&ncid=1480
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somebody ***
* US vs. Iraq
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U.S. Says Needs Security Free Hand in Iraq Handover

5 minutes ago

Secretary of State Colin Powell said on Monday the still undefined interim government due to take power in Iraq (news - web sites) on June 30 would have to give back some sovereignty to U.S.-led forces.


http://story.news.yahoo.com/news?tmpl=story&u=/nm/20040427/ts_nm/iraq_dc&e=1
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Minister Says Iraqis Want Full Sovereignty

Mon Apr 26, 8:28 PM ET

By EDITH M. LEDERER, Associated Press Writer

UNITED NATIONS - Iraqis want "complete sovereignty" restored on June 30 but will welcome U.S. assistance for security and will seek additional help through the United Nations (news - web sites), Iraqi Governing Council member Nesreen Berwari said Monday.

http://news.yahoo.com/news?tmpl=story&u=/ap/20040427/ap_on_re_mi_ea/un_iraq_1
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somebody ***
* Formal Hostages vs. Media & Govt
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Former Japanese Iraq Hostages Criticize Media, Govt
10 minutes ago

"that the Japanese media had followed the government's cue by blaming the hostages and their families for becoming victims of the kidnappers."


Weekly magazines and some mainstream media also leapt into the debate, with one tabloid even suggesting the first three hostages had staged their kidnapping -- seen in a video aired on nationwide television -- to force Koizumi to recall the troops.

Early in the crisis those three hostages' families presented the government a petition with 150,000 signatures urging it to bring home the troops if that was the only way to save their loved ones -- another reason they came under fire.

http://story.news.yahoo.com/news?tmpl=story&u=/nm/20040427/wl_nm/iraq_japan_hostages_dc&cid=574&ncid=1480
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* Americans's Evenly split
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1) Taking Military action in Iraq:-


Right (47%) vs. Wrong (46%)


2) U.S. troops in Iqaq:

Should Stay (46%) vs. Out of Iraq (46%)

Poll Finds Public Doubts on Iraq Rising
13 minutes ago

Americans are evenly split on whether taking military action in Iraq was the right thing to do, the CBS News-New York Times poll found.

Less than half, 47 percent, said taking military action in Iraq was the right thing to do, and about the same number, 46 percent, said the United States should have stayed out of the country.

People also were evenly split 46 percent each on whether U.S. troops should stay until Iraq is stable or should leave as soon as possible.


http://story.news.yahoo.com/news?tmpl=story&u=/ap/20040429/ap_on_re_us/bush_iraq_poll&cid=519&ncid=1480
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? * Credibility Rating ~ Credibility Level * 040428
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somebody ***
* TV Show Lists U.S. War Dead
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* President Bush Camp *

Sen. John McCain, an Arizona Republican and Vietnam veteran

"It is in short, sir, unpatriotic,"

vs.

* The ABC show *

e.g. Veteran U.S. journalist Ted Koppel- "Nightline" program

"I am opposed to sustaining the illusion that war can be waged by the sacrifice of a few without burdening the rest of us in any way. I oppose the notion that to be at war is to forfeit the right to question, criticize or debate our leaders' policies,"


The show was broadcast on the eve of the anniversary of Bush's May 1, 2003, "mission accomplished" declaration from the deck of an aircraft carrier that major combat in Iraq was over.

http://story.news.yahoo.com/news?tmpl=story&u=/nm/20040501/ts_nm/iraq_nightline_dc&cid=564&ncid=1480
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realistic optimist http://www.penismightier.com/main.php?id=16467 040501
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* Iraq torture photos
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Blair Camp:-

Tory defence spokesman Nicholas Soames questioned the decision of the Daily Mirror to publish the pictures.

"One has to wonder at the behaviour of the Mirror in publishing these pictures where there is clearly a question mark over their veracity."

vs.

Mirror:-

The Mirror says extensive checks were carried out to establish the photos' veracity and that it has no doubts.


Iraq torture photos row widens
2 May, 2004, 12:33 GMT 13:33 UK

http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/uk/3678221.stm
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? * Sadistic_abuses * 040502
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kx21 What's_next?

Prediction 21:

* Independent_Inquiry *

to verify / validate the Moment_of_Truth...
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kx21 ***
* Falluja- Saddam-era Gen Jasim Saleh
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1) America's top soldier

Gen Richard Myers, chairman of the US Joint Chiefs of Staff

vs.

2) US officers on the ground in Iraq

Lt James Conway, commander of the 1st Marines Expeditionary Force
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??? America's top soldier has contradicted officers on the ground in Iraq by denying a Saddam-era general has been given control of the city of Falluja.


Lt James Conway, commander of the 1st Marines Expeditionary Force, said on Saturday that Gen Saleh would be "expected to provide security"


http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/middle_east/3678621.stm
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......... Policy reversal by US on Falluja prompts criticism -

Financial Times - 1 hour ago

The US military yesterday revealed that it had brought in a second general from the former regime to deal with insurgents holding Falluja, a policy reversal that has drawn protests from the US-appointed Iraqi defence minister and split the Iraqi Governing Council.

http://news.ft.com/servlet/ContentServer?pagename=FT.com/StoryFT/FullStory&c=StoryFT&cid=1083180230977
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kx21 ***
* US- Responsibility of Prisoner abuse
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Fearsome Tiger - HIgh-Level officials


vs.

Poor Sheep - Low-ranking soldiers

*i Link:- Passing_the_Blame *
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... Officials Clash on Blame for Iraq Abuse

13 minutes ago

http://story.news.yahoo.com/news?tmpl=story&u=/ap/20040512/ap_on_go_ca_st_pe/us_prisoner_abuse&cid=542&ncid=1480
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kx21 ***
* The_Return_of_the_King:Saddam_ Hussein
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US - Bush Administration / Pentagon

vs.

Iraq - War_crimes tribunal /Coalition Provisional Authority
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kx21 ***
* The_Return_of_the_King: Saddam_Hussein
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US - Bush Administration / Pentagon

vs.

Iraq - War_crimes tribunal /Coalition Provisional Authority
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.............. U.S., Tribunal Disagree on Saddam Handoff

22 minutes ago

KUWAIT CITY, Kuwait - The head of Iraq's war-crimes tribunal said Tuesday that the United States has pledged to hand over Saddam Hussein and about 100 other suspects to Iraqi authorities before July 1 if Iraq is ready to take them into custody. U.S. officials denied any decision had been reached.
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minnesota_chris hell, I wasn't aware there was a custody to hand them over to. 040511
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kx21 That's rather normal, given Bush's Hand_off Management style, judjing from Secret PDB before 911 and
Prison Abuse in Iraq...
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