let_us_be_real let_us_be_real and God said Let us be real.. Joda your words your entire tone is simply evocative of the sprinkling of Anti-Christian sentiment all over this forum Your words are bigoted, ignorant,(sorry,of us,and what Christans have said here,yes it's un enlightened ..as we've "attacked" no one.. ) God forbid we would though then, thye want us to be 'Christ' Himself. If you Joda use the same words Joda wrote above and apply them to YOURSELVES then look back at your words, and your words to Christians you may see a thing you can't face- or just don't care about.. Part of that reality is You guys don't really want Christians here.. If you do, and they speak on God or their faith or relationship with Him you term it a 'personal ' 'attack' or 'affront' No.. you don't really want Christians here Don't talk about ''freedom'' in places like this.Simply not true It's bogus and a one way street , 'yours'.. Ask any Christian whos stayed here and left..or changed their name and significantly watered down their words heart or sentiment You want us to lie? And say you guys have been warm to us? Kind? Obliging? friendly? decent? You haven't A large clump of you have been significantly (not) hiding A thinly veiled hate (or contempt) towards Christians..Most of us see it quite clearly. Or in getting attacked, mocked, pre judged and spured here..will.. So, let_us_be_real blather.newdream doesn't want Christians here.Or at least its current participants don't.. And unless we see a substantial amount of them or others here volleying in on our behalf why we 'should' stay here (or want to) We won't Joda..it's because (sorry) of people like you and some others who have done nothing but offer up..what we'd call 'mindless rhetoric'about us (Christians) and other such attacks on US (look around..and tell yourself the truth)- that we go and we walk away hurt sad many im sure teary eyed dissappointed some maybe deeply angered or annoyed All feeling rejected, here, in this place. Why? Because we (Christians) have feelings as you all do But you all wax on about 'tolerance' For some and this is what we've seen on blather, 'tolerence' is just a veiled term for mis trust surely hostility, or, as I said ,contempt Keep it up and you can pass out big hats and cigars and make yourselves an 'old boys' club Special handshakes It's not just you.. Alot of secular groups and online enterprises are this.. Most Christians again will walk away from this place because someone droning on about who/what they don't know will feel right ''brave'' in attacking Christians.. and scared to defend them or speak on behalf of any of them (us) When we hear of some supposed Christians (here) saying "Oh, I'M a Christian but I 'hate' Christians.." How dumb is that? They brag about hating and they think they are Christians?! So WHY would we want to share our thoughts our hurts our feelings much less poems with anyone here? Unless it lines up with how ''you'' think(pretty much FACT here..) And because Christ is THAT much a part of our lives that He's going to come out in our words of hope and encouragement and some times sadness or displeasure..or dismay..or happiness or poems or prayers..or scriptures.. So, again let_us_be_real There's nothing gutsy or unique or special about ragging on Christians in a place like this..(A secular form with mostly non Christians or weak ones in hiding)Few real sincere ones who can speak freely or with comfort.. Why don't you all admit the sad (for you) truth? You really don't want any of us around or will try your best to see that hope come true How sad and lost and ignorant of all the truths-are such ones Now go spew forth..more 'tolerant' secular humanist rhetoric about why you 'cant stand Christians'blahblahblah We don't much appreciate hypocrits either..(sorry,again,but true) And all of the above is why "I" left.. And am somewhat turned off being here. It's a shame.. We can't be who we are here I highly doubt we can.. In any full way.. You guys can though.. So. let_us_be_real 030505 ... same see new_wannabe_gods_hear_this 030505 ... Grace btw let_us_be_real is me, Grace i left here last week i can't speak for others,few, here who may think they are Christians.. i'm not afraid to share what i feel or my name here i think it might be fine or equitable if the whole place replied (if they wish to).and it can be kind and respectful.i..think you can gauge pretty much hearts by words,sometimes.. looking around it's not hard to find..what i've said to be true,and true for us.. i'm not in high school your views may or may not change over time i know without doubt my words speak fully well for many/most Christians who have come and gone from here. including myself some may stay nothing is holding me here but i wanted to say this on our behalf.. take care peace 030505 ... grendel chrity was the exception, the only reason that people turned on her was because in one night she flooded us with go to: i_have_words and did it to such an extent that it couldn't help but annoy the crap out of people. As for any other Christians that the blather-crowds have turned on, it's always because many/most have this knack for name-calling and finger-pointing that comes across as more than a little bit sanctimonious. When the crowds you hope to incite with your own brand of mindless rhetoric and condemnations turn against you and you wear out your welcome, you turn and scream "Persecution! Persecution!" displaying the proverbial chutzpah of the child who kills his parents and then throws himself at the mercy of the court because he is an orphan. You poison your own wells and then lament that the water is no longer safe to drink. Again, by and large, most of those who have come here to proselytize, you included have done so in that manner that most isn't going to convince anybody to turn from the paths they may be on. "before you tell your brother about the speck in his eye, remove the plank from your own" 030505 ... Grace " ... When the crowds you hope to incite.." -HUH?:) Who said i wanted to do THAT?:)Nooooo.. "..with your own brand of mindless rhetoric.." -Fine,if that's what u think.. ".. and condemnations.." -Never meant it that way,ever. ''.. turn against you and you wear out your welcome,..'' -Hey now..comeon..What's the big shocker there? They turn on us anyhow.. How odd u think you know me.I don't think i 'know you'..I was here FOUR days..Maybe less.. ''... you turn and scream "Persecution! Persecution!" -I never said that either.. Gosh you're not a very sympathetic fellow(girl) ru? ''..displaying the proverbial chutzpah..'' -Im spirited..fine But I'm not dumb.. Blind cruelty is dumb You seem to be inching at it.Sorry.. --- ''..of the child who kills his parents and then throws himself at the mercy of the court because he is an orphan. " -Ok..hope that worked for you For me..not. I didn't get it 1. and 2. I'm not sure to accept anything you say in whatever form you come back in As you seem to think you know 'me' (you don't) -And most/all Christians , as well.. Don't and Don't -Don't quote me scripture unless you want to think of following ALL of it,or plan on LIVING it.It's how we lives OUR lives trying..Actually -Other wise, respectfully,save it.I'm not impressed. -The above was kind of a rock cave Not to mention NOT TRUE ABOUT ME -Who are you anyway? And why do you think you know me and hate my guts as well? -Yeesh.. -You're cruel,man..or girl.. -Just plain cruel.. -*shakes head.. ''..You poison your own wells and then lament that the water is no longer safe to drink..'' -Poison is not a part of my vocabulary Except in reply to you/your post..here.. I don't know if youre a fellow or gal -This i know you could not be kind to me here,as I said under any name or incarnation -And I don't like arguing unkindess cruelty criticism or strife (contentions),they are not of our faith(Christians). -So go word whip someone else I'm not interested.. ''..Again, by and large, most of those who have come here to proselytize, you included have done so in that manner that most isn't going to convince anybody to turn from the paths they may be on. -I came to visit Sorry it bugs u..others.. I don't much care what you think. At this point..Sorry.. "before you tell your brother about the speck in his eye, remove the plank from your own -Oh yes, you may want to call the phone company Grendel or your Mom.. There's a phone-pole in your eye it's hard to hear your insults, assumptions and stuff with it..in my face..Its also blocking traffic.. -Does he speak for this forum? -Anyone?:) -I'd like to know.. -And if he does I'll go - I want to go where I am wanted, (my presence,there,here..).Not hated, maligned and pre judged as this fellow/gal about just tried to ..do.. -Let me know. -Grendel is actually very well showing what I described..and no one coming to dispute that makes one wonder.. -*blinks.. -Gosh you guys really ARE Christ haters Or Just Christo phobics? 030505 ... amy it takes all kinds, hon. relivin' the crucifixion is like trying to display a jewel that only the jeweler knows by heart. and then, it matters not what you say, only what you do. hence, one might argue, "blather". or, not. 030505 ... x yeah, let's 030506 ... joda see: waiting_for_all_your_replies WITNESS GRACE IN FULL COPY/PASTE FORCE RIGHT HERE ON BLATHER - TO THE EXTREME! onenightonly.ticketsarenonrefundableandshowtimesaresubjecttochangewithoutnotice... 030506 ... cube As the official "Sanctimonious Ass" that Grendel refers to above, I'd like to take a moment to welcome Sister Grace into our fold. I think the regulars here in Blatherdom know that I'm a Christian. Not a very devout Christian perhaps and flawed of course but, I do try to uphold the party line - unless of course humour comes first to mind :-) Grace, you have chided me on my lack of patience ("if you dont have patience... well, thats another story"). Yet, the whole tone of your blathe here smacks of impatience. Methinks you have not yet learned the golden rule about leading by example. It is hard-won wisdom that I tell you that you cannot change people by words alone - it is by your actions that they decide for themselves whether yours is the better path. You cannot expect to come in here proselytizing to the heathen and not expect some flack. Have patience. Stick around for a few years and perhaps God will grant you the gift of changing one person's life for the better. Trust me, it's worth a few sticks and stones. ³ 030506 ... Grace So say those (above) who do not know me.. You seem to write an awful lot on 'me' and others (Christians) you don't know and have never met and,who've never truly hurt you at all Not really.. Not me,anyway.. Go pin your judgement and hate on another soul Here's some music that I love It's beautiful to me It is me ~~~ God Bless you all Hope you come to know better and kinder.. Sorry any offence. But,somethin tells me you may've said this,all anyway. You were just waiting for prey.. I am not.. Didn't take much.. That's sad Have blessed lives Christ is the Answer peace http://classicalmus.hispeed.com/articles/debussyclairdelune.html bye *I never listen to cruel or unkind talk,on and on,about anyone.Unless it's attached to an apology.Especially when it's by someone who doesnt know me, if it's about me. Or anyone,really.. Sincerely hope your words don't drive someone "over the edge" who doesn't have God and/or just becomes too hurt, here.. Truly 030506 what's it to you? who go blather from 030506 ... p2 you wanna be real? then get real 1) you can't convert anyone who doesn't want to be converted 2) you can't convert someone with a single blathe but with a single blathe you *can* give the wrong impression to those who are "theologically undecided" remember you are representing a group of people and should behave yourself as such consider equating repeated blathes to yelling the louder you yell the more amounts of people that will hear your message but at the same time the less interested in your message the people will be and the less effective your message is furthermore to expand on the first statement the truth is those who are not interested will not convert so your multi-blathe tactic is pointless only those who are in the process of questioning should be your target audience therefore consider using a ***single*** blathe to answer questions of those who are interested and limit it to that those who seek out your answers will find you those who don't can avoid you and thus harmony can be achieved and if you get hecklers on your ***single*** blathe just turn_the_other_cheek 030506 ... minnesota_chris Jesus, folks, let's cut down on the wordiness. I'm a Christian (conservative Christian even!) but I don't expect anyone else to agree with me. My faith comes from seeing the power of God. So does the faith of anybody who has faith in God. I don't expect blatherskites to be Christians, or even like them. Many of them have had negative experiences in a church, and the rest of them don't have any reason to believe in God. I dislike Christians ramming the Bible down people's throats. Jesus never did that, he even laughed at people who did stuff like that. 030506 ... megan i'm a Christian. Grace, you have failed to notice that there are many Christians here before going on a rant. we are here, it's just we blathe about everything, not just our faith. and the many times it's about our faith, it's personal experience stories, or just praise, because as Cube said (paraphrasing) actions speak louder than words. be strong. be persistent. and people will turn if it's God's will. 030506 ... girl_jane He said that if he and I didn't work-he'd be forever bitter and never attempt another relationship... I want us to work too. I want us to be real. 030506 ... minnesota_chris that's pretty manipulative of him. 030507 ... girl_jane He doesn't have to do anything to manipulate me...I don't have to do anything to manipulate him... June can't come soon enough. 030507 ... Ahmad Joda ur a freak. is that what you dont wanna hear here? who says ur truth is better than any one who choses to be a "week" christians choice. i beleave that many ppl dnt hate you, only that you have encorperated what they see to be untroths so far into and around your life that the life itself apears to be untrue by the beleaver of a diffrent faith. n thats y they might see u as some wakko... like i did when i read ur HUGE thingy bout "every1 hates me/us" grow up, learn to integrate, every1 else does it. 030620 ... oldephebe hmmm 030707 ... birdmad i want to be artificial, synthetic, ersatz. i could have colours and shapes nature did not see fit to outfit me with 030707 ... oldephebe you'll never be artificial, fake or ersatz al long as you can write like this - 030707 ... mad stupid bird perhaps, but not having the luxury of being a mere fiction or figment of some other imagination means having to put up with what Shakespeare termed in Hamlet as "The thousand natural shocks that flesh is heir to" 030708 ... jane how can we be anything else? "be yourself." haha okay... 030708 ... ferret oh God please, let us be real, let it all be real 030708 ... oldephebe yes yes the thousand shocks and such that flesh is heir to okay that those incessant renovations and reverbeations are the essential and ineluctably defining quality of humanity the poignancy the power, the possibility the pain, our soul water stains, bathing in the afterbirth of a loved ones secret harrow, oh god these fractured breaths are all i have sometimes - this is the house of man/woman - god we must be real, take me shake me - tear me up so i know that i'm not dead - life its devestations are endless are as varied as the shades of a womans soul, and even the broken glass that rattles in the back of my throat little archipelegos of shredded things rupturing every time i breath welcome to the world to be real - it ties us up and tears us down when i or we read Hamlet in all his fearsom apprehensions and gyrations and as he encapsulates a world a world in a way that only he can speak it - his humanity his authentic uncanny apprehension and the things it impels Him to say Hamlet is perfectly human - the love of a parent dying slowly on the vine the warm breath between our thighs the taste of a lovers ambrosia kiss the kick in the ass of that train we just missed i mean it all about sculpting and shaping humanity (if any one feels like it see oldephebe on despair) and the third person thing is .. but any way sometimes we shine the brightest the most brilliantly when we're cut (not self immolation or anything though)and (sigh) i guess we've got no choice but to be real or run away from our own lives be real and deal what was it Sarah Mcglauphlin said - the ravages of spirit wrote out this contemptuous rage or something like that get down so you can look up and see the sky and Sarah says a glowing ember burning hot and burning slow (Sarah Mcglauphlin from some song on "Surface") Hamlet went bounding out of his throttled heart, out of his throe and don't forget Anne Iversons inimitable imperial ire can we be for real for real for real for real i would like to be weightless on the surface of water and be unbroken and sometimes i say i'm tired of bein' sober and i can't wait till all this shit is over ... if we can be real and yet still hope ... brightness falling on the Child of Blight well thats my wordsmear i'm done 030710 ... Fire&Roses the vivid colors, so bright and touchable, firey lights and cold skies, screaming voices and laughter, the lonely echo of a distant hill, the texture of life rough on your body, the relentlessness of time, the smell of grandmom's christmas turkey burning in your nose, a thousand mocking words floating round your head in a swirl of recrimination, the joy of knowing that you are truly happy, the horror of the truth when you discover that you are truly alone, the burning in your throat as the bile rises up, a million tiny things, that kid in fourth grade who did seventeen chin ups, memories of fireflies in jars, all the words to every song you've ever heard, it's swirling all together into a great chaotic mess... i don't want to be real any more... 030713 ... oldephebe It's all I've got. No snow days for me please. Because if there were mandatory snow days from these thousand shocks that we're heir to then I might not ever come back from its silent alabaster beauty. Okay so now I'm being equivocal, ah another indicia of humanities essential incongruity. We're just protean patches of living light. 030715 ... smurfus rex someone once said Truth is relative. in the context of this blathe, I think Truth is a city. Truth has many nicknames...God, Spirit, Meaning, Enlightenment. Truth is made of a million faces and a million buildings, (and by buildings I mean structure, order, form), each one is individually distinct but collectively form a composite Whole. There are a million roads that lead to Truth (or God or Spirit or Meaning or Enlightenment) that started way out in the wilderness. Maybe I-90 is really Judaism. I-40 Christianity. I-35 Islam. I-70 Buddhism. Highway 41 Hinduism. Route 66 Zoroastrianism. Who's to say I can't get to Truth by following the road I'm on? It's got asphalt and dotted lines on it..it's gotta come close. Right? Convince me that there's only one REAL road that will take me to New York City and you'll convince me that there's only one true religion. 030716 ... misstree the question, rex, isn't "are you headed for Truth" (as i'm not quite sure such a thing exists), but are you enjoying the ride? 030927 ... nuns are stupid . com Learn to handle your own feelings instead of piling it together... I don't know what it means to be christian, this is what I have gathered from years of sunday school: "People who know more about the "Inner-light" and "Hell" tell stories about getting water poured on your head." So whatever you are trying to sell... 030928 ... [ . 041130 what's it to you? who go blather from