it_takes_work_to_die ClairE More so than to live. 020119 ... cube It takes careful planning, anyway. How? Do you have access to a gun? A gun is preferred for quickness, but leaves messy remains. A bit thoughtless for your mother, that. Sleeping pills are gentler and tidier, of course, but someone may find you and get you to a hospital on time. Still, this method is advisable for those still holding onto a modicum of hope. Poison requires a bit more education. Too little and you just end up making yourself violently ill. Where? That, depends on the condition of the remains. For messy stuff, you can't beat the bathroom. Of course, the chosen method how has a bearing on where, too. Jumping off the edge of the bathtub isn't going to have the same effect as jumping off the Golden Gate Bridge. Personally, i'd be afraid of surviving a bridge jump and ending up a quadraplegic. Wouldn't that be ironic? Carbon monoxide gases would be a bitch if you had to pipe the car exhaust into your bedroom. When? Immediately would be the choice for many. The problem here is that all the other planning has to be done ahead of time. If you're one of these, a gun can't be beat. Christmas is always a favorite. Can't beat it for getting one last kick at those family members. However, everybody is such a nervous wreck by then that they may just roll their eyes and toast you with one more spiked eggnog. Not the desired effect. Birthdays add a personal touch. Yes, it takes careful planning. Virgos are probably the best planners and therefore most likely to succeed. I'd leave it up to them... ;-) ³ 020119 ... oren Just ask Cerebus. 020119 what's it to you? who go blather from