fire_signs no reason tend to be who i'm most attracted to and who i connected with best, yet who are probably the worst for me to be with 101021 ... no reason today there was a fire drill 101021 ... IGG is an aries 101021 ... unhinged my dad, my brother, and my sister are all fire signs and a lot of my friends too for that matter, so i guess i am kinda most attracted to them too. 101021 ... Ouroboros I'm a leo, surrounded in family by other leos, and surrounded by friends who are sags and aries (but not leo). 101021 ... no reason i'm a water sign who i guess is attracted to drama 101021 ... unhinged i think i knew you were a leo and forgot ouroboros. my brother and sister are also leos and a lot of my friends. i like leos. i think it is the loyalty/pride (i.e. pride of lions) aspect of the sign that attracts me to leo. my friend paul who is a leo said to me recently 'you know i'd drop everything for you' water signs are very sensitive, not really attracted to drama. fire signs have a tendency to speak before they think so are generally not a good combination. (my moon is in pisces; my feelings were constantly hurt by my dad and brother growing up) i always think of chemistry between signs based on the element they represent. water puts out fire so depending on whether the fire sign personage wants to be calmed down (usually not) the water inclined among us would do best not to take the heat so personally. 101021 ... re_alisma no reason, could you perhaps have Venus in a fire sign and so are re-evaluating your attractions as prescribed by this Venus since the current sky's Venus is now retrograde? or, your descendant (sign opposite the ascendant) could be in a fire sign indicating what you look for in a partner, for better or for worse. i'm a fire sign (leo) and most my relationship successes come from fire signs. sagittarius is on my descendant and (if you're a good astrologer (which i'm not, so i kind of hate this particular connection) you do this rulership thing) and it's ruler, jupiter, is in aries. so it's all up in flames, prescription-wise. however, my venus is in virgo (earth) and it's retrograde and it's in a water house (the fourth) so when i do get in relationship with fire, something in me doesn't buy it. it starts seeing all kinds of break-ups in the future and excess infidelity, lies, cover-ups, and insincerity. both my parents are water_signs, got a divorce, and remain super-single. there is a lot of relationship doubt in my family (the fourth house). in the last 7-8 years i mostly (though not exclusively) am attracted to/ get mixed up with water_signs. i think it's for insight, although i haven't achieved an honest success and therefore analytical (venus in virgo) prowess on my own personal water sign phenomenon. i probably like them precisely because they are so unfathomable and don't want to get too close because i like all the mystery. also, i do generally salute their ability to put out flames. check out your chart (astro.com) and see where the fire sign stuff is, no reason. it's_complicated at first, but it starts to make loads of sense after you study it a bit. especially understanding where your personal planets (sun, moon, mercury, venus, mars) are by sign. it's also the responsible thing to do, if you are to make psychological references to astrology - and it goes into further and further detail (almost like a fractal) but i think one should put limits to get what you need out of it for the time being. it sounds to me like you're ready to level-up with it, though. 101022 ... no reason i'm not sure about the specific planets, etc., but i'm a pisces and my rising sign is cancer. so yes, very sensitive (sigh), but i would disagree that water signs aren't attracted to drama. scorpios specifically. 101022 ... lostgirl is a scorpio....and predictably repelled by drama. 101022 ... jane (true sagittarius) 101022 ... harglaglarglar harglaglarglar 101104 ... no reason i just looked at my free chart out of curiousity. apparently my ascendant is capricorn, and venus is in aquarius. also, lots of water (moon and ascendent both cancer) and enough sagittarius. every sign popped up at some point, except aries. 101114 ... oops *curiosity 101114 ... no reason a lot of libra too water & air, like the cat_power song (this should be on a different page) 101114 ... no reason i mean my descendant is capricorn erg 101114 ... no reason and i spelled ascendant wrong too okay i'm done 101114 ... re_alisma yes! you saw the picture. so here's what i can say about what you said: since your descendant is in Capricorn, and since Saturn is the ruler of Capricorn (which is just some esoteric rule), is your Saturn in Leo? that would be the fire-sign attraction thing, in spades. if Saturn is in Cancer it could be because Saturn is in the 1st house (a fire house), but if Saturn is in Virgo or Libra, it would be more mysterious.... also, it could be that the Sun (which can represent men in women's charts) is in Pisces is also in the 9th (not sure, but there's a good chance if you've got Cancer Ascendant) and the 9th is a fire house too. Mars can also represent men. the Capricorn descendant can be putting a negative spin on relationships ( i know -- i have Moon in Capricorn in the 7th house, which is associated with the descendant ) but i think the idea is that you'd want them to be serious, or at least, on solid moral ground. the Sun in Pisces, possible 9th house, would be less heavy or serious about relationships, more anything goes, so that's a dichotomy you'd have to balance. but if your Sun is in the 8th house or the 10th house, it won't seem as disparate, and be more in accord with the Cappy descendant. Venus in Aquarius can look at all the factors and synthesize them in accord with your desire. and Venus in Aquarius is good for using astrology in the first place. it's true: we all have all signs at play, somehow, at all times. don't leave Aries out because Aries Sun likely (unless you are a very late Pisces) shows up in something called a progressed chart, which is what is used to account for the developmental process that has occurred since birth. that boatload of water does put a little more emphasis on watery sensitivities, though. despite it: a firey hooray! i'm so glad you looked at your chart. but that's just because i'm very pro-knowing-astrology-facts because i think they are cool. (even if i have a love-hate relationship with some of the astrology itself, the love-hate is still just a product of earth_signs...) 101115 ... re_alisma and here is a breakdown of what i wrote: if Saturn in Leo, you might be attracted to Leos, but it can seem like a bad thing, because of Saturn's negativity spin, not anything inherent to the situation. if Sun is in 9th house, you might be attracted to Sagittarius, and i would say this is the more positive type of attraction. you might also be attracted to Aquarius whatever sign Mars is in. there! that's easier. 101115 ... re_alisma *and whatever sign Mars is in. 101115 ... no reason my saturn is in libra. and the houses confuse me a bit but hey, apparently the sun is indeed in the 9th house. and my 9th house is in pisces. or something. 101115 ... no reason mars is in the fourth house i tend to become good friends with aquarians (i like how friendly they are) but not usually as much attraction 101115 ... no reason i like sag people because they're fun. i guess there's maybe a bit of attraction but maybe it has the potential to fizzle out? leos i think attract me because of their creativity, but i don't like the pride. aries is probably the worst match, but they're very "what you see is what you get" which can be refreshing. 101115 ... no reason blah blah blah this all probably means nothing but sometimes it seems like it means something 101115 ... no reason oh and mars is in libra (hmm, lots of libra) that description is quite accurate actually 101115 ... no reason also, i think they are interesting too, re_alisma :) (obviously) 101115 ... re_alisma so, the houses are numbered 1-12 and they follow, to a first approximation, the order of the signs. so the 1st house is sort of like Aries. only it's a house, an arena where life plays out, not a sign, a way of going about it. Sagittarius is associated with the 9th house. the 9th house is where you widen your horizons through travel, higher education, dreaming, vision questing, etc. Sag takes to that. so with your Sun (men) in the 9th house you would have an affinity for Sag types (OR people with 9th house planets!) also, you could go for people in your own Sun Sign, Pisces. But these people might be a little too flaky (Sag and Pisces not the most undistracted) because you want partnerships (Descendant) with very partnership oriented people (Saturn in Libra), i imagine you would get frustrated with that, so you've got to find people who have all the components in play, like you do. somebody who doesn't bulldoze over your sensibilities, but is also willing to be pretty dynamic. who knows, it could be somebody that needs to grow into all that. with all your water, you would be good for people-that-grow. water does that, but fire does that in a different way, so you have to tip-toe around the fire-water clash. but that's just like everybody -- the fire water thing is an issue universally, it's just that fire can start to pretend like it isn't! damn that fire. anyway. 101116 ... no reason "people who have all the components in play" yeah, well put crazy and all over the place like me ;) 101116 ... re_alisma i was thinking of something more ordered, that you keep in a lot of balancing one way, and then the other, but i have a good dose of Virgo (and some Libra). i'm obsessed with that sort of thing. it's your Pisces that says the "crazy and all over the place" . that's an equal way to look at it. very tolerant and compassionate, where Virgo is quite particular and can be overly exacting. Virgo is the bristles, Pisces is the smilies. : ) btw more info: Virgo and Pisces are a polarity -- opposite each other -- so sometimes Pisces gets sick of itself and acts like a Virgo and vice versa. it's an interesting phenomenon and Pisces-and-Virgo is my favorite pair of opposites in the zodiac. they find their limits in Pisces overwhelm and Virgo analysis-to-pieces so then the zodiac moves on to Aries and Libra which is another polarity etc etc around the whole circle. 101116 ... unhinged (my brother proposed to his girlfriend; she was his zodiacal opposite. she freaked, said no, and started dating a girl. i don't find that to be all that coincident. they still talk to each other, my brother still loves and misses her intensely, but his lionish pride would probably never let him admit that to her) 101116 ... no reason unhinged: wow i like your description of opposite signs, re_alisma. i find i usually get along well with virgos, the women especially for some reason (seem to be a bit less critical). and i was half kidding about the "all over the place and crazy" comment; i knew what you meant. very interesting. maybe we should start a new page (or emails?) with our star (har) discussions... 101116 ... no reason re_alisma, interesting you say the pisces-virgo relationship is your favourite i have a tiny little pisces book that says this: "the virgin would cheerfully take an automobile engine apart piece by piece to find out what was causing the commotion; you would simply call the auto club for a tow." seems very apt considering the virgos i know, and considering myself. and clearly i can blame my laziness on the time i was born, so that's a plus. 101217 ... re_alisma : ) actually leos are the laziest. the thing about the virgo-pisces polarity is that it's the only one that really knows how to get both down and dirty. FWIW, i'm told the aries-libra polarity is a big old weak spot in me. i'm weak with respect to an orientation within it... and it's screwing me up somehow.... 101218 ... a clever disguise I am a pisces/aries cusp and had never been around Leos much, but I recently have had so much exposure to Leos and they fit me like a glove. My daughter is a Leo, my partner is a Leo and a boss I totally mind-meld with is one too. I wish I would have known this earlier in life; would have saved me lots of years wasted with Taurus and Gemini. 111017 ... no reason are you a pisces or an aries? wonder if you do well with cancer/leo cusps 111017 ... a clever disguise I am the last day of pisces. Now that I think about it, my boss isn't a leo, his birthday is in late august. But my daughter and partner are the 15th and 10th of August, respectively. 111017 ... unhinged i think you are a true cusp and the watery parts of you are constantly squelching the fiery parts. but the fiery parts are probably what's attracted to the leos. libra and aries are opposites? i think i knew that once and forgot. that explains my childhood with my father so much better *sigh* i have a tendency to smile_and_nod with that sign and either cry or do whatever the fuck i wanted to anyways in private. that is probably also why I held j at arms length romantically. he seemed a little too logical in those matters for my taste. but i sure didn't mind that he was my bartender and the bar he tended was right underneath my apartment. 111017 ... no reason virgo is the opposite of pisces, so maybe that helps in the boss connection 111018 ... no reason (virgo i.e. late august) 111018 ... nr i haven't really been as into astrology these days but i realized that the last few people i've been really interested in have told me after a little while that they're selfish/bad at relationships/scared/etc. basically, "by the way, i'm not a good choice. just letting you know." i just noticed they've all been fire signs (aries and leo, specifically). you'd think i might learn. 160216 ... srealismas i have been downgrading the role of astrology in my life as well mostly because my gemini rising doesn't truly make sense when i have a chart that's so squarish. to have this rising sign i must transcend my chart and so the whole thing becomes less interesting, from a material point of view. but i think astrology helps the greater society see the plight of the fire_signs in greater relief. let's say fire has to be recognized. unlike matter which just is and is to live with us in tandem (a little animism there i know), the spirit of fire signs needs to be kowtowed to a bit in order to have its flimsy existence. ego and spirit get mixed up and that's what being a fire sign is mostly about, but you can't live in your own vacuum you need people to bounce off of. everybody has a bit of fire sign bouncing, but a sun in aries, leo, sagittarius is making it the fuel of life. for whatever reason. you can't judge people too hard in astrology, and if you are, you might have to accept the consequences when you are in error (always learning!). but there is a protest that non fire sign people make of the fire signs in that nonfiresign have more "content" backing up their gig, and it's like the fire_signs want a free ride. as if. but in a way, this is just the theological territory of spirit and matter, and astrology is a certain rendering of it. so those people who say "you're better at relationships, or that thing that you do, than i am, why do you want me?" is the discerning side (everybody has a little virgo too...) of a leo, aries, sagittarius asking you a question that you gotta be able to answer, ms nr. if it's a nay to selfishness and ego/spirit quandaries then drop them, but if there's a yay to it they need the recognition even though it seems too simple, basic, lame for words. knowing you to the extent that i do, you probably do give them recognition. and then somehow the gulf is still emphasized and they fall into their own weak thing of being inadequate (which, as a fire sign myself, i know myself to be, genuinely, too... so i'm of course in sympathy with these fire_signs ... my sun in leo is ruled by the sun in leo. not too much room to branch out) but fear of a relationship... that's kind of not fair game. we're not 12 year olds. maybe they have saturn in the 7th or something. or saturn with the moon. astrology's justification of the fire_signs might just be why it exists... and why the pisceans, orthodox christians of the piscean age, like to say it is not worthy construct, or belief system. there is a solipsism to it, and modern day struggles with narcissism are making astrology something to drop unless we've got the time and energy to think carefully about it. anyway. your perspective on these people probably has marked difference in quality than mine. there's also the gender thing. personally, i think you're ripe for a libra. :) 160217 ... nr they never make it about me (they always talk about how things are for them, but not how i am); which i think is maybe part of the selfishness they talk about. not that i think that's selfish necessarily, but it is self-focused. i guess they must assume i'm better at relationships though, or at least that i might want them. i'm not sure what i'd consider selfish though, but that's probably for a different page. maybe some people think i'm selfish. the fear seems to come from being burned (like with fire!) in the past. which would actually strike me as more of a typical leo thing than aries, considering how they're supposed to not deal well with their pride being hurt. libra, eh? interesting! i usually get along with libras (and other air signs) best as friends. but you never know. 160217 ... nr i should add that i have nothing against fire signed-people, and i have good fiery friends. but relationship-wise... i don't even know. 160217 ... srealismas i would say my own fire_sign fear of water_sign touchy feely togetherness has to do with fire being put out. fire being sort of lame but also what's going on. in life. i have been burned in the past, but it's usually not an in-the-moment thing i'm thinking about (unless i am being forced to)-- like my activity at this website, for example. it took me about a decade to sort out how much of my activity here was about missing/being burned/disregarded by previous friends. however, it's not as much about that as they might think. maybe 35%; the other portions being blowing off steam and learning how to be more of a creative. i mean, i am crazy, but i'm not a totally crazy ex-girlfriend. it's for the most part a little more positive energy than that... and fire is definitely a positive kind of energy. but i will say that it started out as a missing-people kind of thing and i transmuted it to something else by about the year 2000. missing-people being more of a water plus air problem. my life was too intense and i needed someone to talk to, and the new people i met were similarly assholish just like the old people, at that time. but see i've made it about me again! it should be about you no reason because you started it! but then again it's called "fire_signs". i kind of think that generation x into the millenial generation -- maybe people born 1970 to 1987, about, have been smart alecky jerks and that previous and subsequent generations are a little more nice as a rule, and will keep their relationships genuine even if they have to suspend their beliefs to do it. that the people older are more liberal and the people younger are more conservative and our 1970-1987-ish people are mentally confused about what is right, should be right, and what is deal-withable so they swing an awful lot. your water sign might be sympathizing (in an understanding and compassionate way -- so nothing bad) with people on some issues they might not want to think too hard about --- i mean most of what i feel like i'm required to think about on some level makes my brain or my soul hurt somehow. you need somebody mature that has thought about a lot of stuff. that's why i say Libra. you'd have a lot of stuff to talk about. i know libra is your fourth house -- but i think that would mean a good homelife and you've got a lot of cancer so you wouldn't totally dislike a libra.... and they wouldn't feel "unrelated" to your deal. since you like confidence but not pride i would look for somebody with quite a lot of libra, honestly, or a loaded 7th house-- or, possibly somebody with venus-mars conjunct in any sign. venus being libra's "ruler" and your mars in libra that seems to go together. with libra mars, saturn, pluto in this thing where you get pinned as being serious about relationships doesn't seem like it's that wrong. that is, if we absolutely, positively must believe in astrology... you could go wild and date somebody born in the southern hemisphere fall -- that would satisfy your 9th house pisces sun. but they would be an aries, so you can be tricky too... your mercury in aquarius -- the trickster-- is trining your retrograde mars in libra, which would be fairly particular about how you are treated, overall. even though i'm no professional astrologer and shouldn't be regarded that way at all, i would be happy to run your date's birthday details through some kind of amy approval filter. i'd think i'd do ok filtering out unsuitable fire signs.... for the reasons i already went into. i always get myself in all kinds of trouble with Gemini (my ascendant and mars), although i think my main personal emphasis is on cardinal signs (aries, cancer, libra, capricorn) it's just not clear if it's a self-interest (i have a lot of cardinal planets) or that i'm looking for a cardinal partner-in-crime. can't see beyond my own nose when it comes to what i want in life. mercury together with venus in virgo retrograde can find a lot of cinderella pre-princess gigs, that's for damn sure, and it's not bad, only endless. that's IRL. internet life is definitely -for sure- plenty of hocus-pocus. fairytales being the invention of all the crazy maiden aunts of history, let's say. (because, hey i totally can't be on the internet without a healthy dose of world beating world domination, and megalomania! that's what i get for taking myself too seriously, yadda) 160219 ... nr it can be about you all you want, ms. fire-sign srealismas! but i do always appreciate the input. i never really thought of myself being pinned as someone who's serious about relationships, but i guess maybe people could be inferring it when they tell me they're not. and i guess something serious and committed is what i ultimately/eventually want. and i'm not 18 anymore. but who knows if people will really end up being satisfied with what they thought they wanted? (that's a subject for another page.) i do give people space though (maybe also because i need it). maybe the aries in question is worried about a lack of space. i kind of feel like i don't go for people who have typical cardinal-sign characteristics because my personality often rebels against people who try to control or always assume positions of authority just because they want to. i like the fixed signs. that said, my childhood best friend is a libra (well, libra/scorpio, but more libran) and we've been friends for 28 years. i do like the aries that is my [insert whateverthefuck here], though. i think maybe he's opening up/calming down/relaxing a bit. i honestly don't mind people being "selfish" or talking a lot about themselves (who doesn't do it at least once in awhile?), especially if i like them. or doing things for themselves. or going for what they want. isn't that what we should all aspire to? should it be considered selfish? i'm getting off topic. but sometimes i'm surprised i don't have more fire in me. birth-time-wise. 160219 ... nr i should clarify that i don't mind that behaviour as long as the person is also legitimately interested in me doing the same. 160219 ... nr also, A, it's interesting what you said about the generations. you may be interested in some research aziz ansari did for 'modern romance.' 160219 ... srealismas thanks, nr, will try to look into it, but i will probably forget due to other higher priority stuff. still it's good to know it exists. i might find myself in a bookstore looking at it. i already have stared at the cover once but i didn't open it. sorry if i offended your current Aries sensibilities. i do have a prejudice against selfishness, probably because of being made to work more or less hard for more or less barely anything in life.. . i am very strongly of the opinion that selfish people are slavemakers (metaphorically), but it's hard to teach ethics when grand majorities will go with the "but everybody does it" argument, the bandwagon and all that. still you can have the initiative of an Aries without being selfish.... sorry nr if i crossed the line- was trying to explain why fire and water don't generally mix. my coworker has a Sun in Leo and she's married to a Sun in Aquarius. I wouldn't think that mixed, either. always interesting to know what does work, IRL. my Leo grandmother and Scorpio grandfather didn't really get along famously, but they still loved each other, and they were oh so totally bitter about it, but their type in that generation stayed together, no matter what. it can and should be able to take all kinds, but then again the truth of the matter also exists (whatever that turns out to be, a yay, a nay, a good deal, or a bad one) of course the only thing i can really speak is astrology because i don't date; that exists too. but i know very well why water signs dismiss me! 160219 ... srealismas it's that "we-all" thing. the water signs get it and i turn away from it a lot. and i think it's because of having a pretty steady flame. so they turn away from me because the we-all power must be abided by. fire sign sin-- needing recognition ; water sign sin-- they must be abided. i've been taught my whole life by water signs of all kinds how to save them and they will return the favor. that's not a bad thing at all but it gets you trapped in a give and take thing which water doesn't give much space to change into different ways of being, relating, whatever. i remember somebody was talking about their health to an advice columnist, and they really had to move to a different state. The advice columnist said that they family should be able to do that for her because it was for her health. and i'm thinking: not in a million years in my family. or at least, they would never do that for me. and, if you think about it, that is a little ridiculous, did the advice columnist think jobs grow on trees? i'm digressing, but i do know that fire is the pretender and water tends to need the final say. still i don't really believe this should be held against fire, it should be valued for what it is, with no points taken off for what it isn't. so, you're not really doing that but some people do do that. 160219 ... nr i wasn't offended at all; i have no sensibilities, really, just observations. it's odd though because anyone (fire_signs and beyond) who has told me they're selfish are not people who i would've immediately called selfish myself. it's a hard line to draw; maybe it comes when you don't want to compromise. an entire family uprooting itself for one person's health, though ideal for the person, does seem unrealistic. 160219 what's it to you? who go blather from