decline_and_fall mourningstars i look at the things i see lately in the news and in general, and i wonder if this isn't how the average Roman felt during the years leading up to 476 CE if it isn't going to be my world to pillage and despoil, why should i give it to anyone else or let them take it from me? VHEMT sounds like a plan 011015 ... dB Cool. Let's do it. I need a gun, a glass of whiskey, two bullets and about 8 miles of lead plumbing. That'll do the trick nicely. 011015 what's it to you? who go blather from