__since__the__time__without__beginning kx21 The "M" of Karma in the Tathagata_store... 040717 ... Thus have I read / heard. http://www.buddhanet.net/pdf_file/surangama.pdf * Origin of Inversion * The Buddha said: "Since the time without beginning, all living beings have given rise to all sorts of inversion because of the Karmic Seed (of ignorance) which is like the aksa shrub."9 9. The aksa seed is threefold and so illustrates the simultaneous character of illusion, action and suffering. 040717 ... pdf The_Surangama_Sutra Translated by Upasaka Lu K'uan Yu (Charles Luk) http://www.buddhanet.net/pdf_file/surangama.pdf 040717 ... sameolme If it's "the" time without beginning, it is being distinguished from a time that has a beginning. When the time with a beginning stops, the time without a beginning begins. 040717 ... kx21 iLink:- Individual_karma & Collective_karma 040717 ... pete the thought without form? 040718 ... ;) What's_the_'Point'... 040718 ... kx21 *** * M_Theories - Frame_of_Mind *** What determined One's Frame_of_Mind / "Wing_of_thought"? The "M" Evolution & Revolution of One's Conditioned_Mind, since the time without "Beginning". Specifically, Each Man_'Talk' or Woman_'Nag' is the Manifestation of One's Conditional_Mind... 040718 ... To be Exact Conditioned_Mind... 040718 ... a "point" The_six_knots 041018 ... How can the Six Knots be united? 050919 ... How can the Six Knots be untied? 050919 ... How can the_six_knots be untied? 050919 ... How can the Six Knots be untied? 050919 ... How can the Six Knots be united? 050919 ... Knots Definition: : All sorts of inversion 050919 ... _ around_and_across the Flat_Universe... 050919 what's it to you? who go blather from